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[iggy1eco]

balance5050 wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My problem  is that there is no such thing as teleportation in the ME universe, when he goes up the conduit he effectively travels through layers of solid metal and whats more is he is flipped upside down in respect to Earth, his head is pointing straight down to Earth on the Crucible. 

The Conduit is a method of teleportation. When I played ME1 I was like "teleportation really?" but well, 50.000 years age, Reaper tech...yeah must be possible.

No, you are just being propelled at insanely fast speeds inside a space/time corridor. By teleporting I mean dissapearing from one spot and reappearing in another, ala startrek's teleportation deck. Relays ALWAYS need a partner relay, to open these corridors. Mass Effect Wiki:

"There are two kinds of mass relay, primary and secondary. Primary relays can propel a ship thousands of light years but only link to one other relay, its "partner". Secondary relays can link to any other relay over shorter distances, only a few hundred light years."

There is NO receiving relay in the ending scene.

Does it say anything about physical resistance on ships that require that type of pulse? Any damage can be done? or all you need is the IFF and the Relay just throws you away carefully? I'm just asking, now I'm curious about the relays.

[BleedingUranium]

iggy1eco wrote...

It seems even EDI confirms the theory or the likeness of multiple possible universes. The ocasional space-time travel shouldn't surprise me, however I'm glad they used it just once or twice in the games. Maybe hundreds of thousands of years ago someone unleashed the reapers from another dimension and that's why they ocasionaly are 'traped' in dark space because they can't even reach another galaxy to settle for good, so they come milking the milky way over and over for some "excuse that we can't comprehend".

Ok, now that's my head calling for some sleep I guess.

Eh...Milking the Milky Way. See what I did there? Naaah....forget it.

They were never really trapped in dark space, the just didn't have a relay to take them back into the galaxy after ME1.

[iggy1eco]

BleedingUranium wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...

It seems even EDI confirms the theory or the likeness of multiple possible universes. The ocasional space-time travel shouldn't surprise me, however I'm glad they used it just once or twice in the games. Maybe hundreds of thousands of years ago someone unleashed the reapers from another dimension and that's why they ocasionaly are 'traped' in dark space because they can't even reach another galaxy to settle for good, so they come milking the milky way over and over for some "excuse that we can't comprehend".

Ok, now that's my head calling for some sleep I guess.

Eh...Milking the Milky Way. See what I did there? Naaah....forget it.

They were never really trapped in dark space, the just didn't have a relay to take them back into the galaxy after ME1.

So "traped" it's not the word....more like Hibernation...boy, I envy their patience.

[BleedingUranium]

iggy1eco wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My problem  is that there is no such thing as teleportation in the ME universe, when he goes up the conduit he effectively travels through layers of solid metal and whats more is he is flipped upside down in respect to Earth, his head is pointing straight down to Earth on the Crucible. 

The Conduit is a method of teleportation. When I played ME1 I was like "teleportation really?" but well, 50.000 years age, Reaper tech...yeah must be possible.

No, you are just being propelled at insanely fast speeds inside a space/time corridor. By teleporting I mean dissapearing from one spot and reappearing in another, ala startrek's teleportation deck. Relays ALWAYS need a partner relay, to open these corridors. Mass Effect Wiki:

"There are two kinds of mass relay, primary and secondary. Primary relays can propel a ship thousands of light years but only link to one other relay, its "partner". Secondary relays can link to any other relay over shorter distances, only a few hundred light years."

There is NO receiving relay in the ending scene.

Does it say anything about physical resistance on ships that require that type of pulse? Any damage can be done? or all you need is the IFF and the Relay just throws you away carefully? I'm just asking, now I'm curious about the relays.

They always need a sender and receiver, but drifting a few thousand kilometres is common, the IFF just told the relay to be more accurate, cause otherwise you end up in a black hole. For the Omega-4 relay that is.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Coates is a figure that the design team put some time into- enough to run him in a cinematic. Giving a character who only has very limited run time/impact in the story a main feed in a CGI is odd. Also, note that Coates- in the teaser- claims not to know what the Reapers are yet knows about Shepard's mission to get help. With Anderson leading Earth's resistance and being one of the only people who knows both about the Reapers and Shepard's flight, then the question must be begged: How does Coates know one without the other?

But about the CGIs- I have a hypothesis: We're not being shown everything yet. In the Take Earth Back cinematic trailer, it is clear that events shown are out of sequential order and that events from the original teaser with Coates were withheld, only to be added in in TEB. When one dissects the TEB Cinematic, placing each minute event slide in its proper sequence, it appears that they were cut from a longer feed and that parts are still missing. 

Given that the actual Shepard slides from TEB never transpire in ME3, (but can certainly be deemed important and parallel with game production), but that other events did, this is what I suggests: the entirity of these cinematics are being withheld, likely for the EC launch. This would, in turn, suggest that the "post-Reaper clean up duty" shown in TEB is a real possibility and that Coates is a stepping stone to get there. The possible relationship, (i.e., indoctrination, betrayal), would be be first revealed in the missing cuts. So what would we be getting? An Extended Cut.

Maybe writing too much philosophy has fried my brains, but can someone explain this for me? I read and my mind fails to comprehend. 

A. Coats= Possible Indoctrinee
B. ME3 Reveal Trailer= Odd practice for a minor character to make center stage in a cinematic
C. ME3 "Take Earth Back" Cinematic Trailer= An amalgamation of segments; appears to be from a larger cinematic
D. If the TEB Trailer is fragmented, then D is the remainder yet to be shown.

(A+B)/Indoc. Theory= Coats plays a hidden pivotal role in Ending, equal to E.
C+D= Full Cinematic of F.
E+F= Extended Cut (of the TEB Trailer)

[iggy1eco]

balance5050 wrote...

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

So let me start by saying I actually dig Indoctrination Theory. I had a similar thought - "is this Reaper indoctrination? -" about 3/4 of the way through the ending, around the time you see Shepard having the bullet wound he inflicted on Anderson. And the fact that the annoying Star Child took the form of a kid who manifests Shepard's guilt and stress, and the reversal of the paragon and renegade options were a dead give aways that not everything we were seeing was as it appeared.

However, while parts of IT fit together well (like the weird, unlimited ammo super pistol that appears to be able to kill ANYTHING in a shot or two) there are parts I don't know fit together at all and sort of undermine the entire thing.

So my question is about particular thing that seems to be a big part of the theory - namely that Anderson bizarrely gets to the control room before Shepard after saying he "followed" Shepard up to the Citadel. The idea goes that he could not have possibly got the control room first because we only see one entrance and that being the case, how could Anderson get ahead of Shepard?

However, in a conversation with Bailey (and pls. forgive me if this has been addressed already) after the attempted Cerberus coupe, he tells us that once you get into the Citadel's "superstructure" you can pretty much get anywhere on the station. So is it not possible that we can take this at face value? That Anderson beamed up second, but was deposited in another place (He does say the walls are moving the station changing shape) and was, in fact, in the station superstructure, allowing him to get to the control room before Shepard. Would that not also explain how the IM got there without being seen by Shepard at all? He was creeping around in the superstructure....

meaning, I guess, that it really was Anderson and the IM and not just a manifestation of indoctrination working on Shepard's mind...thoughts?

My problem  is that there is no such thing as teleportation in the ME universe, when he goes up the conduit he effectively travels through layers of solid metal and whats more is he is flipped upside down in respect to Earth, his head is pointing straight down to Earth on the Crucible. 

Except there is. The Conduit from ME 1 is essentially teleportation. It sent a tank with three crew men inside froma  planet on the other side of the galaxy into the station. And the Mass Relays are essentially teleportation devices, instantly moving ships from one start system to the next. I took the "beam" in London to be no different from the Conduit.

That one connected to another conduit though, like all the relays, the conduit in ME1 was essenially a relay and it even looks like one:

 
 


The conduit in London looks nothing like this and just connects to some weird receiving area. Technology never seen before.

Still, then it's safe to say that the Protheans were the first sucessful race to build a small scale Mass Relay?
The wiki says they had a keen interest in them and made them build the Conduit.

EDIT: Forget it. It is, I was just onto something else. Moving along...

Modifié par iggy1eco, 03 mai 2012 - 07:43 .

[balance5050]

 Ok get this:


"The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel is built from, and are protected by a quantum shield that renders them nearly impervious to damage by locking their structure in place at the subatomic level. They are even capable of surviving a supernova's wake without being damaged."

So if the Citadel is made from the same stuff that can withstand the wake of a super nova, it sure does crumble easily if we are to believe the "Shepard Alive" scene is actually on the Citadel.

Modifié par balance5050, 03 mai 2012 - 07:44 .

[BleedingUranium]

iggy1eco wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

So let me start by saying I actually dig Indoctrination Theory. I had a similar thought - "is this Reaper indoctrination? -" about 3/4 of the way through the ending, around the time you see Shepard having the bullet wound he inflicted on Anderson. And the fact that the annoying Star Child took the form of a kid who manifests Shepard's guilt and stress, and the reversal of the paragon and renegade options were a dead give aways that not everything we were seeing was as it appeared.

However, while parts of IT fit together well (like the weird, unlimited ammo super pistol that appears to be able to kill ANYTHING in a shot or two) there are parts I don't know fit together at all and sort of undermine the entire thing.

So my question is about particular thing that seems to be a big part of the theory - namely that Anderson bizarrely gets to the control room before Shepard after saying he "followed" Shepard up to the Citadel. The idea goes that he could not have possibly got the control room first because we only see one entrance and that being the case, how could Anderson get ahead of Shepard?

However, in a conversation with Bailey (and pls. forgive me if this has been addressed already) after the attempted Cerberus coupe, he tells us that once you get into the Citadel's "superstructure" you can pretty much get anywhere on the station. So is it not possible that we can take this at face value? That Anderson beamed up second, but was deposited in another place (He does say the walls are moving the station changing shape) and was, in fact, in the station superstructure, allowing him to get to the control room before Shepard. Would that not also explain how the IM got there without being seen by Shepard at all? He was creeping around in the superstructure....

meaning, I guess, that it really was Anderson and the IM and not just a manifestation of indoctrination working on Shepard's mind...thoughts?

My problem  is that there is no such thing as teleportation in the ME universe, when he goes up the conduit he effectively travels through layers of solid metal and whats more is he is flipped upside down in respect to Earth, his head is pointing straight down to Earth on the Crucible. 

Except there is. The Conduit from ME 1 is essentially teleportation. It sent a tank with three crew men inside froma  planet on the other side of the galaxy into the station. And the Mass Relays are essentially teleportation devices, instantly moving ships from one start system to the next. I took the "beam" in London to be no different from the Conduit.

That one connected to another conduit though, like all the relays, the conduit in ME1 was essenially a relay and it even looks like one:

 
 


The conduit in London looks nothing like this and just connects to some weird receiving area. Technology never seen before.

Still, then it's safe to say that the Protheans were the first sucessful race to build a small scale Mass Relay?

That we know of. The Reapers have been reaping for about at least 37 million years. That's about 740 cycles. Imagine everything in the ME universe (in our cycle) now imagine about 740 unique cycles before us, maybe more advanced, maybe less, but all with spaceflight. Now imagine they all died. That's pretty depressing.

There's our cycle, then the Protheans who we know a decent amout about now, then the Inusannon before them, who we know basically nothing other than name, and then about 740 cycles before that. We know that 37 million year old "dead" Reaper was killed by a single MAC round that made a trench across an entire planet, so it's safe to assume at least one other cycle had the tech. Most likely the first.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 mai 2012 - 07:46 .

[iggy1eco]

Alright guys, I'm going to sleep, I had too much already for now. Be back at later time. Wish the best to all of you, and good discussions.

Peace!

Modifié par iggy1eco, 03 mai 2012 - 07:45 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Coates is a figure that the design team put some time into- enough to run him in a cinematic. Giving a character who only has very limited run time/impact in the story a main feed in a CGI is odd. Also, note that Coates- in the teaser- claims not to know what the Reapers are yet knows about Shepard's mission to get help. With Anderson leading Earth's resistance and being one of the only people who knows both about the Reapers and Shepard's flight, then the question must be begged: How does Coates know one without the other?

But about the CGIs- I have a hypothesis: We're not being shown everything yet. In the Take Earth Back cinematic trailer, it is clear that events shown are out of sequential order and that events from the original teaser with Coates were withheld, only to be added in in TEB. When one dissects the TEB Cinematic, placing each minute event slide in its proper sequence, it appears that they were cut from a longer feed and that parts are still missing. 

Given that the actual Shepard slides from TEB never transpire in ME3, (but can certainly be deemed important and parallel with game production), but that other events did, this is what I suggests: the entirity of these cinematics are being withheld, likely for the EC launch. This would, in turn, suggest that the "post-Reaper clean up duty" shown in TEB is a real possibility and that Coates is a stepping stone to get there. The possible relationship, (i.e., indoctrination, betrayal), would be be first revealed in the missing cuts. So what would we be getting? An Extended Cut.

Maybe writing too much philosophy has fried my brains, but can someone explain this for me? I read and my mind fails to comprehend. 

A. Coats= Possible Indoctrinee
B. ME3 Reveal Trailer= Odd practice for a minor character to make center stage in a cinematic
C. ME3 "Take Earth Back" Cinematic Trailer= An amalgamation of segments; appears to be from a larger cinematic
D. If the TEB Trailer is fragmented, then D is the remainder yet to be shown.

(A+B)/Indoc. Theory= Coats plays a hidden pivotal role in Ending, equal to E.
C+D= Full Cinematic of F.
E+F= Extended Cut (of the TEB Trailer)

That flew right above my head :S

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

balance5050 wrote...

 Ok get this:


"The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel is built from, and are protected by a quantum shield that renders them nearly impervious to damage by locking their structure in place at the subatomic level. They are even capable of surviving a supernova's wake without being damaged."

So if the Citadel is made from the same stuff that can withstand the wake of a super nova, it sure does crumble easily if we are to believe the "Shepard Alive" scene is actually on the Citadel.

Not even mentioning that Shepard is awfully close to an explosion who is supposedly able to rip apart Quantum Shielded material and supposedly survives...

[iggy1eco]

BleedingUranium wrote...

That we know of. The Reapers have been reaping for about at least 37 million years. That's about 740 cycles. Imagine everything in the ME universe (in our cycle) now imagine about 740 unique cycles before us, maybe more advanced, maybe less, but all with spaceflight. Now imagine they all died. That's pretty depressing.

There's our cycle, then the Protheans who we know a decent amout about now, then the Inusannon before them, who we know basically nothing other than name, and then about 740 cycles before that. We know that 37 million year old "dead" Reaper was killed by a single MAC round that made a trench across an entire planet, so it's safe to assume at least one other cycle had the tech. Most likely the first.

Yeah, I edited the previous post because I re-checked the Codex eventually and read the wiki resume on the relays. You're right. Not much information about the relays besides the Conduit having a non-Reaper origin. Sort of.

[balance5050]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Ok get this:


"The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel is built from, and are protected by a quantum shield that renders them nearly impervious to damage by locking their structure in place at the subatomic level. They are even capable of surviving a supernova's wake without being damaged."

So if the Citadel is made from the same stuff that can withstand the wake of a super nova, it sure does crumble easily if we are to believe the "Shepard Alive" scene is actually on the Citadel.

Not even mentioning that Shepard is awfully close to an explosion who is supposedly able to rip apart Quantum Shielded material and supposedly survives...

All the explosion seemed to do was magically expose his "N7" dog tags.

[Domanese]

Horray it's my birthday year number! And I have victory and commendation packs whoo hoo!

[DirtyPhoenix]

Watching the return of the fleets to the sol relay, we do see a reaper's arms ripped off in that battle; I think we can defeat the reapers conventionally provided we have a large enough fleet.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

pirate1802 wrote...

Watching the return of the fleets to the sol relay, we do see a reaper's arms ripped off in that battle; I think we can defeat the reapers conventionally provided we have a large enough fleet.

That's assuming the entire Reaper fleet is surrounding Earth, it's alluded to that war is still raging around Palaven and if we assume the war is being fought on multiple galactic fronts, even if the combined fleet manages to defeat the Reaper's Earth fleet whatever allied fleet has left might not be enough to fight the rest of the galaxy worth of Reapers. But, that's assuming a lot. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Arian Dynas]

balance5050 wrote...

 Ok get this:


"The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel is built from, and are protected by a quantum shield that renders them nearly impervious to damage by locking their structure in place at the subatomic level. They are even capable of surviving a supernova's wake without being damaged."

So if the Citadel is made from the same stuff that can withstand the wake of a super nova, it sure does crumble easily if we are to believe the "Shepard Alive" scene is actually on the Citadel.

My friend, I care for you deeply. But there are times you are dense. This is one of them.

I personally (as well as Rifneno) have been talking about quantum shielding for QUITE some time now whenever the citadel blowing up was brought up.

Hence why we arrived at the figure of billions of  tons of explosive power necessary to break the Citadel.

In short, you would need a force in excess of, basiaclly taking a moon sized object, and ramming it high speed into the Citadel, as in not enough to kill shep, MORE THAN ENOUGH TO ATOMIZE HIM SO THAT NOT EVEN HIS COMPONET MATERIALS REMAIN.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

pirate1802 wrote...

Watching the return of the fleets to the sol relay, we do see a reaper's arms ripped off in that battle; I think we can defeat the reapers conventionally provided we have a large enough fleet.

Large enough fleet is the problem here. We need 3 Dreadnoughts to every Sovreign class Reaper (supporting crafts not counted) we are gonna need a hell of alot of Dreadnoughts...

Hell I think someone mentioned there has been at least 170 cycles before this one and if assume the Reapers made just one Sovreign class in each cycle we would have at least 167 Sovreign class Reapers to deal with (Sovreigns allready out along with the Derelict reaper and the Leviathan of Dis ) that would mean we need 501 dreadnoughts.

Off course this is not certain as I think it was mentioned that we think no Sovreign class Reaper was made from the Protheans but it still gives us a rought number and it is not a pretty one.

So yes it is possible to defeat the Reapers conventionally, but it is not logically possible in this cycle at least the way i see it.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 03 mai 2012 - 08:27 .

[Arian Dynas]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Watching the return of the fleets to the sol relay, we do see a reaper's arms ripped off in that battle; I think we can defeat the reapers conventionally provided we have a large enough fleet.

Large enough fleet is the problem here. We need 3 Dreadnoughts to every Sovreign class Reaper (supporting crafts not counted) we are gonna need a hell of alot of Dreadnoughts...

Hell I think someone mentioned there has been at least 170 cycles before this one and if assume the Reapers made just one Sovreign class in each cycle we would have at least 167 Sovreign class Reapers to deal with (Sovreigns allready out along with the Derelict reaper and the Leviathan of Dis ) that would mean we need 501 dreadnoughts.

Off course this is not certain as I think it was mentioned that we think no Sovreign class Reaper was made from the Protheans but it still gives us a rought number and it is not a pretty one.

So yes it is possible to defeat the Reapers conventionally, but it is not logically possible in this cycle at least the way i see it.

We would need 501... to take them on in a fair fight with traditional Kinetic weapons. Remember, the Asari had a near perfect sucuess rate before they were forced into a ground war, they could hit a few capital ships and Destroyers and be gone before they could retaliate. Also recall that Thanix series weapons are considerably more effective.

[MaximizedAction]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

 So right after the infamous second "I was born in London" - "Really?" moment, Anderson gives Shepard an odd look and has an awkward pause before saying "The entire galaxy united... too bad it took the Reapers to bring us all together."
This is old news, but after rewatching it I couldn't help but think that the tone Anderson uses is deliberate, as though he's trying to tell us something.  Or perhaps he's trying to warn us of something he can't say directly, possibly because he's being watched?

And then Anderson gets corrected by a squadmate: it was Shepard who brought everyone together, to which Anderson replies:

"That's exactly what I meant."

Again, he uses added emphasis.  And then he says that no one could have done what Shepard has done - ok, Shepard's special, we know, we get it already.

REWIND!

Right before that sequence, we here that Admiral Anderson is apparently the reason anyone in the resistance is still alive.  Wow.  Well, ok, it's Anderson, after all.  He was the Shepard before there was a Shepard.  Makes sense that he could pull the resistance through this tough time.

And apparently Anderson will agree that winning this war is a matter of doing "whatever it takes," as also seen in the vid I've linked twice now.

Well, what if "whatever it takes" is delivering Shepard to the Reapers?

I know, Anderson as a traitor just sounds crazy.  The Reapers would have to be holding the entire planet's population hostage or something equally heinous to force a guy like that to work for them.  Oh wait.  So just for a moment, let us posit that Anderson may have been forced to make a deal with the Reapers: deliver Shepard to the beam in exchange for... who knows what.  Maybe the population of Switzerland.  We don't know.  In the same conversation, Anderson says that he had been avoiding contact with the Reapers until his men got to London.  We are meant to belive that "contact" means combat, but it can also mean talking.  But how would Anderson have ever come into that sort of contact with the Reapers?

Queue the warning sign mentioned yesterday with the Alliance symbol next to an arrow pointing to a lightning bolt, with Coats sitting right next to the lightning bolt.  Aside from whatever else the Reapers were doing in London, the other thing that makes London special (other than Anderson being born there) is that it's where Anderson would have come into contact with Major Coats, the Big Ben Sniper from the first trailer, the guy who was sniping husks until a spotlight was shone on him, indicating that his sniping position may have been less secure than advertised late in the game.  Maybe he limped out of sight... or maybe he was caught and turned into an agent of the Reapers with orders to worm his way into the resistance command structure.  Either way, he somehow fixes his leg by the time we see him in ME3.


I'd best stop here before I move out of speculation territory and into fanfic territory.  There's a lot happening behind the scenes that we just flat out don't know.  What I've positted above fits in with the London as a Trap narrative with Harbinger showing up at the end specifically to capture and indoctrinate Shepard.  It would also make Coats a candidate for Harbinger's missing mouthpiece in the game (surely he doesn't HAVE to use a reverbed voice when he controls someone).  That in turn would fit in with the Coats as a mole idea but take it one step further.

Any thoughts?

Hmmm. Interesting.

Anderson turing on Shepard would make sense from a story telling perspective.
Let's assume Anderson did not turn on Shepard and is even still alive and well, and here we are as Shepard seeing him, talking to him...AFTER we already had this final goodbye scene with him on the Citadel - short, but still final.
Even if it wasn'T really him on the not-really-the-Citadel it was still in Shepards mind, or, Shepard already said his goodbye to him and it was moving.
So here we are talking to him again, and the emotional scene "you did good son, you did good" - probably the single best thing about the ending besides IT - becomes redundant.

So my take on this is, that we might've already said goodbye to 'our' Anderson back then so that the story can entrust us with another, 'bad' Anderson.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 03 mai 2012 - 08:40 .

[MaximizedAction]

BTW, 1981:
Raiders of the lost arc

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Ok get this:


"The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel is built from, and are protected by a quantum shield that renders them nearly impervious to damage by locking their structure in place at the subatomic level. They are even capable of surviving a supernova's wake without being damaged."

So if the Citadel is made from the same stuff that can withstand the wake of a super nova, it sure does crumble easily if we are to believe the "Shepard Alive" scene is actually on the Citadel.

My friend, I care for you deeply. But there are times you are dense. This is one of them.

I personally (as well as Rifneno) have been talking about quantum shielding for QUITE some time now whenever the citadel blowing up was brought up.

Hence why we arrived at the figure of billions of  tons of explosive power necessary to break the Citadel.

In short, you would need a force in excess of, basiaclly taking a moon sized object, and ramming it high speed into the Citadel, as in not enough to kill shep, MORE THAN ENOUGH TO ATOMIZE HIM SO THAT NOT EVEN HIS COMPONET MATERIALS REMAIN.

I'm giving you extra points for your wording at the end there

And for anyone keeping score I'm at view number 180-190 of the Shepard's breath scene. No new results, but I did manage to get some free Windows brand movie editing software to brighten in up. My brain hurts.

Wait strike that, newest thing I've been able to find since turning up the brightness: there are actually Three of those oval shaped Reaper plates lined up together, the third one being in the middle of the two obvious ones and not easily seen. I thought it was part of the far plate at first.

Edit: going to post some screens of Shepard's body in the breath scene to compare them to the Citadel scene. There was something odd about the way Shepard's neck looked so I think I figured that out.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 03 mai 2012 - 08:55 .

[Rosewind]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Vahilor]

Somthing new the last two days ?

[Tim Skijwalker]

Vahilor wrote...

Somthing new the last two days ?

I don't think so