SubAstris wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Dream whispers, the crucible drum, TIms new powers, TIM telling you he "needs you to believe", the odd things that happen to your EMS, the bullet wound, both platforms that magically appear, Hacket magically knowing you're both alive AND on the citadel...
These are my responses, feel free to disagree
1 &2) I can't remember specific instances of these, care to provide link with timings where you think they are?
3) On the Cerberus base, there is a log that tells you that TIM has been fitted with implants.
4) Like most megalomaniacs, TIM wants you to believe because he thinks he is right.
5) I guess you are talking about Anderson dying and living, I don't really know how this could be used as evidence specifically for IT
6) By platforms that appear I guess you mean when Shep and Anderson sit down. I'm sure this is not to do with indoctrination and more to do with getting a nice scene of the two both looking at the view. Because after all, it does look nice, the same effect could not have been achieved if Anderson was flat on the floor.
7) Hackett sees the Citadel arms open. He knows that Shepard was on the team to get to the Citadel and he was their best chance. So when he opens, he assumes that Shepard is the one there.
1)Here (time linked). Whispers begin at the deep "booom" noise. They continue all the way to the end of the cutscene.
http://www.youtube.c...czhHtqgY#t=324s
2) In the link above you'll hear the drum beat the very second you first see TIM (it's like 10 seconds after where I linked).
3) Implants that let him control Anderson?
4) The writers go out of their way to show that in ME3 TIM has lost respect for Shepard. Odd that he needs validation when his goal is like 5 feet away and Shepard is paralysed.
5) The EMS boosts are in line with IT. In particular, if you convince TIM to fight indoctrination (cap himself) you only need 4000 EMS to "wake up". Works if he's a part of you, not so much in literal.
6) No it couldn't, but even a small animation of the platform being raised would have helped. Odd that they missed that. Also you didn't address the bullet wound?
7) But Hackett doesn't ask if Shep is there, he simply starts as if he knows. Even if he was going by who was missing he should have been calling for Anderson.
1) Ok thanks for the link, seen the video. Seems as though it was added there for atmosphere; the whispers are meant to show the effect of TIM's new powers on Shepard
2) My answer above
3) We have been shown that at the Cerberus Base, TIM is getting implants, presumably Reaper-tech, which give him new powers. This power is then demonstrated when he meets Shepard face-to-face. The question is, why put such a log in if IT is true?
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5) The EMS boosts are in line with IT in the sense that it is strange. They don't provide solid positive evidence for, it and have already commented as to why I think putting too much emphasis on EMS might be a bad idea.
6) They could have included it, but who would want to have scene in one of the most touching moments of the entire trilogy focus on a platform being raised rather than on emotional content? Again it is an unnecessary thing for BW to do. And what about the bullet wound?
7) I think it would have been better if Hackett had said, "Is anyone there?" but they didn't. My thoughts is that BW believed it didn't really matter
Ok, a lot of this boils down to the inevitable truth behind all the debates, a lot of your answers say that Bioware simply didn't think much about what they were doing. You think this is likely, we do not. So um...yeah. Will try to avoid the ones that are like that, aside from the whispers one.
Taken literally, If the whispers are meant to show TIMS new powers/the indoctrination attempt by the Reapers through TIM then this implies a connection between the whispers and indoctrination. This implies a connection between the dreams and indoctrination, UNLESS (as I began with) you simply decide Bioware were lazy. I consider this unlikely, since it's very basic theming and audio design and they don't slip up like this anywhere else.
TIMS research is all stated to be about controlling Reapers/husks. Not humans with no synthetic parts whatsoever.
Ok, the bullet wound. Here
http://www.youtube.c...czhHtqgY#t=468sShep shoots Anderson in the lower left stomach (I could go on about how Sheps reaction is very odd but anyway).
And look. The second Anderson dies...
http://www.youtube.c...YwBsUgK4#t=518sThe camera makes a point to show us Shepard suddenly has the wound. Her hands are covered in blood. Shepard herself seems surprised. The whole framing of that shot is bizarre, and in IT is almost laughably obvious. Keep in mind also that Marauder Shields shot Shepard in the upper right shoulder (they made a specific animation to show this).
EDIT - snipped a bit and also, SubAstris, what's your take on the ending save information? The plotID thing?
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he does agree that there's more than meets the eye to the endings, but to be honest he approached it as a casual gamer with no real investment - so that's probably why! 
