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[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

Why would he want implants if it weren't for control? He wants to control the Reapers, but general indoctrination would also be very useful

But when Anderson gets shot, it is just Shepard's psyche breaking down?

He doesn't regain any blood, he loses consciousness partly because of his injuries before waking up again

The implants are to control Reaper forces. The only organic that would be "useful" to control is Shepard, but all he does is try to convince Shepard that he can control the reapers. Why would controlling organics be useful against reapers? Why didn't he study the Thorian then?

Yes.

He passed out from blood loss. I wouldn't try to refute that but you can if you really want to.

[DJBare]

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

This has probably been brought up before but has anyone noticed that they call the beam that takes you to the citadel "the conduit". And in the first game on illos you had to find another device called the conduit that also takes you to the citadel. And I know this has been brought up before but the run to the conduit in ME3 looks and feels like driving the mako to the conduit in ME1.

Connections being made everywhere in end, which is why I think the dream actually starts after the vehicle crashes, right before the conduit run.

 

I'd go with not a dream, but an illusion right up until your struck by harby's laser, then it's a dream influenced by the reapers.
What I mean by that is Shepard is actually on that run but not everything he sees is reality.

Like perhaps the Harbinger beam could in fact be the yellow indocrination beam instead of his pew pew laser? That scene in "The Arrival" has yellow beams coming from his eyes with TIM just standing there.

No, the laser is real enough, it knocked Shepard unconscious, that's my opinion anyway.

[lex0r11]

1990.

Best year EVER.

Modifié par lex0r11, 03 mai 2012 - 06:49 .

[blooregard]

balance5050 wrote...

blooregard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

blooregard wrote...


GREAT SCOTT! You've uncovered the mysteries of the universe by managing to discover that the beam in London WASN'T Prothean made like the Ilos conduit! your Nobel prize, money factory will be waiting in the parking lot with your new transformer (I  hope you like autobots because we got you both) 

Seriously though I imagine there is alot of Reaper toys we haven't seen yet like the stuff they use to make people into into bugs or most of their propulsion and power sources...What does the London conduit have to do with anything anyway? Aside from leading us to one of the most anti climatic endings of the 21st century.

ALL relays have the same design, and ALL relays need a partner relay. Why not the final conduit? It's unidetified tech but it still goes against the esablished rules of the ME universe.

(sorry for double post)

so where was the Omega 4 relay's partner again? As I've said there are probably Reaper toys we haven't seen I imagine the London conduit is a short range mass relay (like within the same system if that) and besides traditional mass relays work when the thing hitting the relay has a mass effect engine (like the mako and the Normandy) the London conduit is meant to send people up to be processed...last I checked most people don't have mass effect engines in them so the London conduit is probably just a Reaper toy that they don't show organcs before they harvest them simply because organics don't need that kind of technology.

Does the Mako have an EEZO core?

Any way this:

"There are two kinds of mass relay, primary and secondary. Primary relays can propel a ship thousands of light years but only link to one other relay, its "partner". Secondary relays can link to any other relay over shorter distances, only a few hundred light years."



http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Mass_Relay 

I think they mention it in the ME1`codex that the mako has a eezo core (thats how the thrusters work and thats how it can get away with being dropped from damn near orbit.

[Tirian Thorn]

SS2Dante wrote...

blooregard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

blooregard wrote...


GREAT SCOTT! You've uncovered the mysteries of the universe by managing to discover that the beam in London WASN'T Prothean made like the Ilos conduit! your Nobel prize, money factory will be waiting in the parking lot with your new transformer (I  hope you like autobots because we got you both) 

Seriously though I imagine there is alot of Reaper toys we haven't seen yet like the stuff they use to make people into into bugs or most of their propulsion and power sources...What does the London conduit have to do with anything anyway? Aside from leading us to one of the most anti climatic endings of the 21st century.

ALL relays have the same design, and ALL relays need a partner relay. Why not the final conduit? It's unidetified tech but it still goes against the esablished rules of the ME universe.

(sorry for double post)

so where was the Omega 4 relay's partner again? As I've said there are probably Reaper toys we haven't seen I imagine the London conduit is a short range mass relay (like within the same system if that) and besides traditional mass relays work when the thing hitting the relay has a mass effect engine (like the mako and the Normandy) the London conduit is meant to send people up to be processed...last I checked most people don't have mass effect engines in them so the London conduit is probably just a Reaper toy that they don't show organcs before they harvest them simply because organics don't need that kind of technology.

If there was no relay in the galactic core how would the normandy have returned?

I suppose this question boils down to - what is the citadel connected to? Either the Reapers have a relay in dark space (probable given what we know) or they don't. It's an nteresting idea.

Perhaps the Citadel creates a wormholes instead of compressing objects into a singularity to increase speed. 

We never see the Omega's companion relay, but that doesn't mean there isn't one.   

[llbountyhunter]

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

This has probably been brought up before but has anyone noticed that they call the beam that takes you to the citadel "the conduit". And in the first game on illos you had to find another device called the conduit that also takes you to the citadel. And I know this has been brought up before but the run to the conduit in ME3 looks and feels like driving the mako to the conduit in ME1.

Connections being made everywhere in end, which is why I think the dream actually starts after the vehicle crashes, right before the conduit run.

 

I'd go with not a dream, but an illusion right up until your struck by harby's laser, then it's a dream influenced by the reapers.
What I mean by that is Shepard is actually on that run but not everything he sees is reality.

Like perhaps the Harbinger beam could in fact be the yellow indocrination beam instead of his pew pew laser? That scene in "The Arrival" has yellow beams coming from his eyes with TIM just standing there.

No, the laser is real enough, it knocked Shepard unconscious, that's my opinion anyway.

the problem I see with this though is that we already see what the laser does to shepard (rannoch)

[EpyonX3]

Kris_Rebel wrote...

I've got a shieeet

Can't do both?

[balance5050]

SS2Dante wrote...

blooregard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

ALL relays have the same design, and ALL relays need a partner relay. Why not the final conduit? It's unidetified tech but it still goes against the esablished rules of the ME universe.

(sorry for double post)

so where was the Omega 4 relay's partner again? As I've said there are probably Reaper toys we haven't seen I imagine the London conduit is a short range mass relay (like within the same system if that) and besides traditional mass relays work when the thing hitting the relay has a mass effect engine (like the mako and the Normandy) the London conduit is meant to send people up to be processed...last I checked most people don't have mass effect engines in them so the London conduit is probably just a Reaper toy that they don't show organcs before they harvest them simply because organics don't need that kind of technology.

If there was no relay in the galactic core how would the normandy have returned?

I suppose this question boils down to - what is the citadel connected to? Either the Reapers have a relay in dark space (probable given what we know) or they don't. It's an nteresting idea.

If the Collectors were coming out of the Omega relay then we can assume there was a relay at the collector base. There most likely is a relay in dark space that was paired with the Citadel.

Modifié par balance5050, 03 mai 2012 - 06:49 .

[MaximizedAction]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Kris_Rebel wrote...

I've got a shieeet

Can't do both?

WHAT THE FUUUU

[marcelo_sdk]

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

The Catalyst insists that synthetics will eventually kill organics if the Reapers don't stop them. But since we met Legion, the game try to show us that Geths are not bad guys and they would accept peace with organics. So, if the ends as we saw are true, why Shepard didn't argue nothing? Especially if we make peace betwen Quarians and Geths? He could destroy the childs arguments, as he does normally, but instead he just keep quiet...

Just because the Geth were peaceful, doesn't mean they are the ones to go crazy on organics. The maniac killer robots could be created by any other race like Humans. Ever wonder what will happen when Security Mechs get tweaked with AI's? Not all of them will be as nice as EDI.

Remember, the catalyst says that even if you destroy the reapers, The children of humanity will eventually create synthetics again and the chaos will return.

True, but the point being that it is not a sure thing that synthetics will rise to eat your face.  That's what the starkid is telling you, is that it is inevetable (sp?) that synthetics will try and kill all organics.  But Shepard has shown through his actions (in many people's games, anyhow) that it's not a sure thing.

That's my point. It's not about the Geth turning to the "good" side, it's about showing that synthetics will not necessarily, as the Catalyst says, turn agains their creators.

In fact, in the Quarian-Geth case, it's more like the creators turned against their creations.

[UrgedDuke]

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, a lot of this boils down to the inevitable truth behind all the debates, a lot of your answers say that Bioware simply didn't think much about what they were doing. You think this is likely, we do not. So um...yeah. Will try to avoid the ones that are like that, aside from the whispers one.

Taken literally, If the whispers are meant to show TIMS new powers/the indoctrination attempt by the Reapers through TIM then this implies a connection between the whispers and indoctrination. This implies a connection between the dreams and indoctrination, UNLESS (as I began with) you simply decide Bioware were lazy. I consider this unlikely, since it's very basic theming and audio design and they don't slip up like this anywhere else.

TIMS research is all stated to be about controlling Reapers/husks. Not humans with no  synthetic parts whatsoever.

Ok, the bullet wound. Here
http://www.youtube.c...czhHtqgY#t=468s

Shep shoots Anderson in the lower left stomach (I could go on about how Sheps reaction is very odd but anyway). 

And look. The second Anderson dies...
http://www.youtube.c...YwBsUgK4#t=518s

The camera makes a point to show us Shepard suddenly has the wound. Her hands are covered in blood. Shepard herself seems surprised. The whole framing of that shot is bizarre, and in IT is almost laughably obvious. Keep in mind also that Marauder Shields shot Shepard in the upper right shoulder (they made a specific animation to show this).

EDIT - snipped a bit and also, SubAstris, what's your take on the ending save information? The plotID thing?

Well I believe that IT holds BW to unbelievable levels of infalliabilty when it comes to plot which they haven't exactly shown before, esp with ME2. Yes, their characters are great, but the plot itself really came off the wheels after ME1 IMO. Most of the alternative answers for evidence put forward IT is very plausible because they take into account, much more than IT does, how games are actually designed and the limits on developers. Also, I have this impression that some IT theorists actually believe that everyone who disagrees with them only replies with saying "BW are lazy". I don't doubt they sometimes took the easier option (which is what all developers in all games do, in fact, all professionals in all professions do as well) but others can be attributed to coincidence, misinterpretation, and outright falsities and genuine mistakes etc

I believe that something like that was deliberate, the whispers were intentionally linked to TIM gaining power over Shepard using Reaper tech. Reaper tech is often associated with whispers and so it comes off as unsurprising.

True, however TIM has been studying indoc, he has implants for what purpose it is not explicitly stated, we have to go to the end to find out.

I have tried to manipulate the video to see any blood coming from one spot or the other, but can't find any. It is far from clear where the bullet actually hits. A case could be made either way. IMO it seems more logical that it hits his right- side because Anderson leans into that after being shot (you don't lean against your weaker side). But regardless, there is a 50-50 of it being hit either side, so it is far from conclusive.

When Anderson dies, if he is part of Shepard, why doesn't he himself get hurt aswell?

I know they did, but it is logical to assume that from Harbinger's beam he is hurt. He seems to be holding his left side the whole way through the entire final mission, so there's no wonder why there is a wound. Furthermore, the specific shot reminds us of Shepard's severe injuries, which become important a few seconds later when he passes out in front of the console; he is losing a lot of blood.

I'm not sure what you are getting at with your final point, "save information"?

Ok, again leaving out as much of the parts that will go circular as I can-

Anderson clutches his left side after being shot, not his right (it's OUR right, his left. Ooh deja vu, I had this exact same conversation with someone before )

Anderson always dies in this cutscene and Shepard always recieves the wound that (s)he inflicted on her/himself, so you do get hurt. Unless you mean TIM shooting Anderson? Since the TIM part of yourself is out of your control when it shoots Anderson you aren't culpable. Of course this is symbolic justification and admittedly up for debate.

The save information.Here, this is the post as quoted on parabolees blog
 

"I was looking through some save game editing plot flags and noticed that the line for End001 (Destroy) is different than End002 and End003. Destroy Sets 3 PlotIDs for the future.Not only do Synth and Control not set 3Ids. They do not even set 1.

End001,
PlotIDSet=(20894,19290,19286),
PlotIDClear=(),
PlotInts=((ID=10185,V=26),(ID=10303,V=25)),
PlotCond=())

End002,
PlotIDSet=(),
PlotIDClear=(),
PlotInts=((ID=10202,V=21)),
PlotCond=())

End003,
PlotIDSet=(),
PlotIDClear=(),
PlotInts=((ID=10203,V=22)),
PlotCond=())

I don't understand exactly how the game engine uses these PlotIDs, but from a layman’s point of view it looks like it's either;
Pick destroy, and have a future, or Synth/Control and not have a future.
Bioware does not even bother to track which one you picked if it wasn't destroy.
As far as they are concerned synthesis & control are the same thing. = Indoctrinated. "


I did a check on what plotID's are and they are markers for decisions you made (things like "KaidenAlive" etc). Flags that say what you have and have not done. So why oh why would they set two new markers that say you picked "Destroy" if this was the end of the game?

(here's a list of all the plotID's)

http://pastebin.com/zv8mxcxs 

DIT - may have misunderstood your point about Anderson leaning. It'd argue that the side he clutches is far more likely to be the side he was shot on but ok.

how do we know that ending 001 is destroy?

[DJBare]

llbountyhunter wrote...

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

This has probably been brought up before but has anyone noticed that they call the beam that takes you to the citadel "the conduit". And in the first game on illos you had to find another device called the conduit that also takes you to the citadel. And I know this has been brought up before but the run to the conduit in ME3 looks and feels like driving the mako to the conduit in ME1.

Connections being made everywhere in end, which is why I think the dream actually starts after the vehicle crashes, right before the conduit run.

 

I'd go with not a dream, but an illusion right up until your struck by harby's laser, then it's a dream influenced by the reapers.
What I mean by that is Shepard is actually on that run but not everything he sees is reality.

Like perhaps the Harbinger beam could in fact be the yellow indocrination beam instead of his pew pew laser? That scene in "The Arrival" has yellow beams coming from his eyes with TIM just standing there.

No, the laser is real enough, it knocked Shepard unconscious, that's my opinion anyway.

the problem I see with this though is that we already see what the laser does to shepard (rannoch)

I understand that, it also gives me pause for thought, but in my opinion Shepard never made it to the transport beam, everything that occurs after the laser is inside Shepards mind that's being influenced by the reapers, choose anything but destroy and his/her indoctrination is complete.

[blooregard]

SS2Dante wrote...

blooregard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

blooregard wrote...


GREAT SCOTT! You've uncovered the mysteries of the universe by managing to discover that the beam in London WASN'T Prothean made like the Ilos conduit! your Nobel prize, money factory will be waiting in the parking lot with your new transformer (I  hope you like autobots because we got you both) 

Seriously though I imagine there is alot of Reaper toys we haven't seen yet like the stuff they use to make people into into bugs or most of their propulsion and power sources...What does the London conduit have to do with anything anyway? Aside from leading us to one of the most anti climatic endings of the 21st century.

ALL relays have the same design, and ALL relays need a partner relay. Why not the final conduit? It's unidetified tech but it still goes against the esablished rules of the ME universe.

(sorry for double post)

so where was the Omega 4 relay's partner again? As I've said there are probably Reaper toys we haven't seen I imagine the London conduit is a short range mass relay (like within the same system if that) and besides traditional mass relays work when the thing hitting the relay has a mass effect engine (like the mako and the Normandy) the London conduit is meant to send people up to be processed...last I checked most people don't have mass effect engines in them so the London conduit is probably just a Reaper toy that they don't show organcs before they harvest them simply because organics don't need that kind of technology.

If there was no relay in the galactic core how would the normandy have returned?

I suppose this question boils down to - what is the citadel connected to? Either the Reapers have a relay in dark space (probable given what we know) or they don't. It's an nteresting idea.

(sorry for double post)

I figure the Reaper IFF can manipulate mass relays at least to an extent. I believe MyChemicalBromance first started talking about the Omega 4 relay's anomaly (lack of partner) and thinks it must have something to do with the Reaper IFF. I think what he said was that the O4R responds to the IFF and thus allows the "mass free corridor" to form at the right place and and allow the ship to exit the relay without being junked by the black hole. Anyway I believe he thinks that the IFF is used to tell the O4R that "you're a Reaper" and thus the relay keeps that corridor open or it signals the the O4R to open another corridor that allows the ship to return.

I also think in that same thread I stated that the partner relay  is just used as something to aim at that way the organics can use the mass relays and not worry to much about understanding them.

[Tirian Thorn]

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

blooregard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

blooregard wrote...


GREAT SCOTT! You've uncovered the mysteries of the universe by managing to discover that the beam in London WASN'T Prothean made like the Ilos conduit! your Nobel prize, money factory will be waiting in the parking lot with your new transformer (I  hope you like autobots because we got you both) 

Seriously though I imagine there is alot of Reaper toys we haven't seen yet like the stuff they use to make people into into bugs or most of their propulsion and power sources...What does the London conduit have to do with anything anyway? Aside from leading us to one of the most anti climatic endings of the 21st century.

ALL relays have the same design, and ALL relays need a partner relay. Why not the final conduit? It's unidetified tech but it still goes against the esablished rules of the ME universe.

(sorry for double post)

so where was the Omega 4 relay's partner again? As I've said there are probably Reaper toys we haven't seen I imagine the London conduit is a short range mass relay (like within the same system if that) and besides traditional mass relays work when the thing hitting the relay has a mass effect engine (like the mako and the Normandy) the London conduit is meant to send people up to be processed...last I checked most people don't have mass effect engines in them so the London conduit is probably just a Reaper toy that they don't show organcs before they harvest them simply because organics don't need that kind of technology.

If there was no relay in the galactic core how would the normandy have returned?

I suppose this question boils down to - what is the citadel connected to? Either the Reapers have a relay in dark space (probable given what we know) or they don't. It's an nteresting idea.

If the Collectors were coming out of the Omega relay then we can assume there was a relay at the collector base. There most likely is a relay in dark space that was paired with the Citadel.

I disagree with that - sort of. 


If there is a relay in dark space, why can’t the Reapers just jump through that?

The reason for ME1 was because normally the reaper vanguard (Soverign) activates a signal and the Reapers jump to the Citadel. This causes panic and from the Citadel they can control the relay network and keep fleets from linking up, etc.  But the Protheans sabotaged this. So instead the Reapers had to fly from Dark Space using only FTL drives. When they reached the Batarian system they were delayed again when that relay was destroyed. 

Modifié par Tirian Thorn, 03 mai 2012 - 06:50 .

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would he want implants if it weren't for control? He wants to control the Reapers, but general indoctrination would also be very useful

But when Anderson gets shot, it is just Shepard's psyche breaking down?

He doesn't regain any blood, he loses consciousness partly because of his injuries before waking up again

The implants are to control Reaper forces. The only organic that would be "useful" to control is Shepard, but all he does is try to convince Shepard that he can control the reapers. Why would controlling organics be useful against reapers? Why didn't he study the Thorian then?

Yes.

He passed out from blood loss. I wouldn't try to refute that but you can if you really want to.

His soldiers weren't reaper forces though, but in the video log he says they'll all soon be hearing his voice instead of random ones. This implies that he has some control over non reaper organics.

[balance5050]

DJBare wrote...

I understand that, it also gives me pause for thought, but in my opinion Shepard never made it to the transport beam, everything that occurs after the laser is inside Shepards mind that's being influenced by the reapers, choose anything but destroy and his/her indoctrination is complete.

The dreams started with black, not white, which is why I think we're still at the Mako crash.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would he want implants if it weren't for control? He wants to control the Reapers, but general indoctrination would also be very useful

But when Anderson gets shot, it is just Shepard's psyche breaking down?

He doesn't regain any blood, he loses consciousness partly because of his injuries before waking up again

The implants are to control Reaper forces. The only organic that would be "useful" to control is Shepard, but all he does is try to convince Shepard that he can control the reapers. Why would controlling organics be useful against reapers? Why didn't he study the Thorian then?

Yes.

He passed out from blood loss. I wouldn't try to refute that but you can if you really want to.

His soldiers weren't reaper forces though, but in the video log he says they'll all soon be hearing his voice instead of random ones. This implies that he has some control over non reaper organics.

His soldiers were husks/indoctrinated all the same, even if they weren't with the reapers.

[SS2Dante]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

I disagree with that - sort of. 

If there is a relay in dark space, why can’t the Reapers just jump through that?

The reason for ME1 was because normally the reaper vanguard (Soverign) activates a signal and the Reapers jump to the Citadel. This causes panic and from the Citadel they can control the relay network and keep fleets from linking up, etc.  But the Protheans sabotaged this. So instead the Reapers had to fly from Dark Space using only FTL drives. When they reached the Batarian system they were delayed again when that relay was destroyed. 

They do, presumably. The relay is linked to the citadel, which is inactive, as you said, so can't be used until the sleeper reaper (heh) does it's stuff. And as someone else said long distance relays are pair-bonded, so they can't use it to jump to any other relays.

[Boradam]

UrgedDuke wrote...
how do we know that ending 001 is destroy?

Game files for the destroy object and file, the fact that it's the only ending where Shepard doesn't get disintergrated/indoctrinated.

Modifié par Boradam, 03 mai 2012 - 06:58 .

[llbountyhunter]

DJBare wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

This has probably been brought up before but has anyone noticed that they call the beam that takes you to the citadel "the conduit". And in the first game on illos you had to find another device called the conduit that also takes you to the citadel. And I know this has been brought up before but the run to the conduit in ME3 looks and feels like driving the mako to the conduit in ME1.

Connections being made everywhere in end, which is why I think the dream actually starts after the vehicle crashes, right before the conduit run.

 

I'd go with not a dream, but an illusion right up until your struck by harby's laser, then it's a dream influenced by the reapers.
What I mean by that is Shepard is actually on that run but not everything he sees is reality.

Like perhaps the Harbinger beam could in fact be the yellow indocrination beam instead of his pew pew laser? That scene in "The Arrival" has yellow beams coming from his eyes with TIM just standing there.

No, the laser is real enough, it knocked Shepard unconscious, that's my opinion anyway.

the problem I see with this though is that we already see what the laser does to shepard (rannoch)

I understand that, it also gives me pause for thought, but in my opinion Shepard never made it to the transport beam, everything that occurs after the laser is inside Shepards mind that's being influenced by the reapers, choose anything but destroy and his/her indoctrination is complete.

i agree with that as well, were just shifting when the indoctrination begins to solve a few problems (dream trees, before getting hit by laser for one)

and as Balance pointed out, the beam itself appears to be a construct of shepards mind. 


  

also in the video notice how the game makes it a point to hit you with the laser before the actual "indoctrination laser"- as if to make you question it.

[balance5050]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

I disagree with that - sort of. 


If there is a relay in dark space, why can’t the Reapers just jump through that?

The reason for ME1 was because normally the reaper vanguard (Soverign) activates a signal and the Reapers jump to the Citadel. This causes panic and from the Citadel they can control the relay network and keep fleets from linking up, etc.  But the Protheans sabotaged this. So instead the Reapers had to fly from Dark Space using only FTL drives. When they reached the Batarian system they were delayed again when that relay was destroyed. 

The dark space relay had to have a partner relay, which is the Citadel, since the citadel relay couldn't be activated by Sovereign, they couldn't use the dark space relay either. They both need to be activated to work.

[marcelo_sdk]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

blooregard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

blooregard wrote...


GREAT SCOTT! You've uncovered the mysteries of the universe by managing to discover that the beam in London WASN'T Prothean made like the Ilos conduit! your Nobel prize, money factory will be waiting in the parking lot with your new transformer (I  hope you like autobots because we got you both) 

Seriously though I imagine there is alot of Reaper toys we haven't seen yet like the stuff they use to make people into into bugs or most of their propulsion and power sources...What does the London conduit have to do with anything anyway? Aside from leading us to one of the most anti climatic endings of the 21st century.

ALL relays have the same design, and ALL relays need a partner relay. Why not the final conduit? It's unidetified tech but it still goes against the esablished rules of the ME universe.

(sorry for double post)

so where was the Omega 4 relay's partner again? As I've said there are probably Reaper toys we haven't seen I imagine the London conduit is a short range mass relay (like within the same system if that) and besides traditional mass relays work when the thing hitting the relay has a mass effect engine (like the mako and the Normandy) the London conduit is meant to send people up to be processed...last I checked most people don't have mass effect engines in them so the London conduit is probably just a Reaper toy that they don't show organcs before they harvest them simply because organics don't need that kind of technology.

If there was no relay in the galactic core how would the normandy have returned?

I suppose this question boils down to - what is the citadel connected to? Either the Reapers have a relay in dark space (probable given what we know) or they don't. It's an nteresting idea.

If the Collectors were coming out of the Omega relay then we can assume there was a relay at the collector base. There most likely is a relay in dark space that was paired with the Citadel.

I disagree with that - sort of. 


If there is a relay in dark space, why can’t the Reapers just jump through that?

The reason for ME1 was because normally the reaper vanguard (Soverign) activates a signal and the Reapers jump to the Citadel. This causes panic and from the Citadel they can control the relay network and keep fleets from linking up, etc.  But the Protheans sabotaged this. So instead the Reapers had to fly from Dark Space using only FTL drives. When they reached the Batarian system they were delayed again when that relay was destroyed. 

In the other cycles, the Reapers signaled the Keepers to open the Citadel Relay. The protheans managed to sabotage this signal, so the Keepers just ignore the Reapers signals. So, bbasically, Sovereign went to the Citadel to do the Keepers work.

Since Sovereign was destroyed, there were no Reapers left in the galaxy, so their only alternative was to fly in FTL from the dark space.

But for me, it's very clear that there's a relay in dark space, but he needs to be activated from both sides (why, I really don't know)

[Unschuld]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

That's my point. It's not about the Geth turning to the "good" side, it's about showing that synthetics will not necessarily, as the Catalyst says, turn agains their creators.

In fact, in the Quarian-Geth case, it's more like the creators turned against their creations.

If I had a 6 foot tall toaster that suddenly asked me one day if it had a soul, I'd be pretty freaked out too. Oh, and apparently thinking toasters are not only dangerous, but illegal.

[blooregard]

If the Reaper IFF works in the way that MyChemicalBromance thinks then the Reaper vanguard would signal the citadel to open the relay and the Reapers in dark space would have their IFF's sending a signal telling them where to open the corridor that way the Reapers can jump right to the Citadel

Besides we see the Normandy jump to FTL speeds at the end of ME2 while still in the galactic core.meaning either they used the relay in the way MyChemicalBromance suggests or they have the most badass FTL in the galaxy.

[SS2Dante]

UrgedDuke wrote...

how do we know that ending 001 is destroy?

I don't, presumably the person checked. If you want to doubt it until someone else has checked ok. 

But nevertheless, even if ending1 ISN'T destroy, it still sets plotID's, which rather heavily implies a continuation of the game.