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Page 2000 here we are?


Yes we are W00T

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*SCREEN FADES TO WHITE*

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It's 7PM here, there's no Sun =/

And I still have to go to College in 10 minutes!

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EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Boradam wrote...

RedDeadRemix wrote...

Final push to page 2000

Hammer squads, go go go!!


HOLD THE LINE, HOLD THE LINE!

WATCH OUT, THAT INCOMING LOCK IS TARGETING OUR POSTING SYSTEMS!


A: God, they're all gone.
B: Did we get anyone to the beam?
A: Negative. Our entire forces decimated.
B: Retreat to the Extended Cut. I repeat...Extended Cut.


Negative.

No stepping back,
No stepping forward and no defeating reaper forces!



Ha ha, I see what you did there!

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[quote]Nekroso22 wrote...
You mean the Extended Cut that will not change the endings? Bioware doesn't have the time or the money to give the endings the reworking treatment they need.

I honestly hope Bioware doesn't use the IT because it won't fix the endings and it will introduce too many new variables in the story.[/quote]
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There might be sometimes some points and nitpicking that make you say the it's all fanfiction and all too perfect, but in the end we are simply theorizing. We're assuming everything, brainstorming if you want to call it, and backing it up with proof. The Codex, facts from ME1 and ME2, etc. We're not saying it IS Indoc. We're assuming. There is of course wishful thinking...lots of it in fact, but there is also logic and debate. Not a conclusion yet, because the conclusion is going to be Bioware to deliver it. Until then, we have fun discussing it, and try to make sense of how we interpreted the ending of ME3 by sharing.

And I have to disagree with you saying they shoudln't use IT. It won't fix it, it's true. But it will give sense to it and closure to what really hapened. I just won't go rambling about how they planed it (if they did), or how they had an extended ending that wasn't chosen to be put in the final product because that's another area of the discussion. I'd rather stay with the in-game facts and lore. I'm also sure that lot's of variables would be given a name and a purpose if IT comes to be true and intended from the begining.

I may have spoken a little for most of Indoctrinists and I'm sorry for that because I don't want to disclaim what everyone said by that. I was just biased on my on thoughts, lurking and understanding of this thread. All peace from here =p

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Still no literal guys want to explain to me what the importance of London is? Or at least how humanity knew it was important before the Citadel was moved there?

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SubAstris wrote...

I think what people are possibly forgetting about the "oily shadows" comment is that the Rachni sense things very differently to humans. They interpret sensory data in terms of music and images; from what I got from it it seems like they were talking about death rather than indoctrination.


Yes, the achni are different. But there is no information that says that humans wouldn't see oily shadows in there dreams as part of an indoctrination process. The Rachni know how to communicate with humans/other races that rely on voice and visuals to communicat. The queen can take control of a body and either make the body understand Rachni signals to enable it to tranform it to speech (unlikely, because it uses dead bodies), or the queen knows enough about speech and how other races use it to communicate. There is a possibility that the queen used the phrase "oily shadows" to make us understand how it is to be in the process of indoctrination. Perhaps using her knowledge about us to determine how we would "see" that process in dreams. I know, this is a lot to infer from a bit of info, but thi explaination makes perfect sense for me.

SubAstris wrote...

About the Quarians and the Geth, the Geth Consensus mission makes it clear that the Quarians start their degradation of the Geth which led to them uprising. The Geth are essentially, not under Reaper control, a peaceful race and don't really want to hurt the Quarians. This is one of the reasons why what the Catalyst says doesn't seem to make sense because it goes against something like that in-game


Yes, I know, the both sides of that conflict are very well explained. But who attacked first? The Quarians, who saw that their commands to shut down didn't work? Or the Geth, as a result of their will of self preservation? Your interpretation seems to be that the Geth attacked. It could be the other way around, though.

SubAstris wrote...

I don't know the exact amount of time, although I know that the game was originally meant to be released Fall/Autumn 2011, and came out beginning of March. That's a quite long time to be delayed, in gaming terms, and you can bet EA was pushing very hard to get it released as fast as possible. I would be a bit weary about using a lot of information from outside game material, such as comics, because the fact is the vast majority of people who play ME have only played the games (me included). Doesn't mean other parts are wrong, but BW know they are making a game for those people primarily, and if they can't get the story without referring to a comic, then they have failed.


I get what you mean, although I find it a little strange to allow resources and game mechanics into the interpretation, but not officially released content. I mentioned comics and books merely as an example what I would include into world canon. But when you look through our collected evidence, you'll find that most of it comes from the game itself.

Hmm, I'd like to know: What is your take on includung DLC into the interpretation? There are a lot of players who won't pay money for extra game content? I, for example, weigh every DLC and try to figure out if it is worth the money they want from me, after reading tests. I haven't played arrival, but I accept that we use information from it.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Boradam wrote...

RedDeadRemix wrote...

Final push to page 2000

Hammer squads, go go go!!


HOLD THE LINE, HOLD THE LINE!

WATCH OUT, THAT INCOMING LOCK IS TARGETING OUR POSTING SYSTEMS!


A: God, they're all gone.
B: Did we get anyone to the beam?
A: Negative. Our entire forces decimated.
B: Retreat to the Extended Cut. I repeat...Extended Cut.


Negative.

No stepping back,
No stepping forward and no defeating reaper forces!


DA*MN W*HORE

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YES, I made page 2000!Posted Image

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VICTORY!!!

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2000 pages and still Holding...

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Wow, almost missed it! Congratulations!

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Page 2000! Congratulations us! :o

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Did we get anyone to page 2000??

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Happy page 2000 everyone! I decided to stick it out a few more minutes.

HOLD THE LINE!

*Love isn't always on time*

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Playing "Stand strong, stand together" right now. Best song ever.

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estebanus wrote...

INCOMING TROLLS CLOSING IN!!!


ILL DEAL WITH THEM, EVERYONE GO!

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Nice

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Haha. This is awesome. Its like the millennium bug without the bug all over again!

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Just saw that I'm almost at the top of the memorial list! Yay!

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I'm still not on that list? I've been here since like page 14

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2000 Congratulations

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Hooray!

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 HAPPY PAGE 2000, EVERYONE!!

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estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Boradam wrote...

RedDeadRemix wrote...

Final push to page 2000

Hammer squads, go go go!!


HOLD THE LINE, HOLD THE LINE!

WATCH OUT, THAT INCOMING LOCK IS TARGETING OUR POSTING SYSTEMS!


A: God, they're all gone.
B: Did we get anyone to the beam?
A: Negative. Our entire forces decimated.
B: Retreat to the Extended Cut. I repeat...Extended Cut.


Negative.

No stepping back,
No stepping forward and no defeating reaper forces!



Ha ha, I see what you did there!


A: Innocent people die.
S: And if they don't?
A: Say again!?

Modifié par paxxton, 03 mai 2012 - 10:06 .