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#50051
Boradam

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EpyonX3 wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Whoever is still discussing theory for the next 5 pages is just crazy.

Alos, the list is going to be updated of course.


There was a boy back on Earth, couldn't have been more than 6 or 7...

I watched him screwing Reapers...DEAD Reapers...


I had to join 'em. There's noting wrong with me is there?


Haley Joel Osment: "I ... screw ... dead reapers..."


Damn Wh*re!


Report to the Crucible immediately. We'll bang, okay?

#50052
EpyonX3

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Indoctrinate This!



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Guys, I just had an epiphany. The GodChild is SOVERIEGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It makes sense, becuase Sovy died when he was uplinking to the Citidel, so his conciousness was beasically "installed" to the citidel, and then used it's long range transmitter to indoctrinate Shep throughout the galaxy!

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EpyonX3 wrote...

I don't know how but....We'll B*ng ok?

but i care about you miranda..ash dam1t

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BluSoldier wrote...

Guys, I just had an epiphany. The GodChild is SOVERIEGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It makes sense, becuase Sovy died when he was uplinking to the Citidel, so his conciousness was beasically "installed" to the citidel, and then used it's long range transmitter to indoctrinate Shep throughout the galaxy!


That would have been an amazing plot twist, but you just ruined it by figuring it out!!! :blink::?:D

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EpyonX3

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polor89 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I don't know how but....We'll B*ng ok?

but i care about you miranda..ash dam1t


You're a damn B*** Pirate.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Regardless... Starbrat words his conclusion as factual conclusion, which he cant. Not with the premises he cites, not with any known possible premises at all. Delusional, bleeding-out Shepard in one word put it the way the Starbrat should have:

"Maybe...."


Out of curiosity Hellish, what did you study in college?  I don't get to have good logic debates often; particularly logic debates that involve physics (my field of study).

I enjoyed our debate sir. I have nothing more to add because you are correct on a number of other points regarding RB's argument.
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Checking out the 2000 page marker, I checked out lex0r's list reference from Arias and found that I was indeed listed as Indoctrinationist.  I've been spouting so many literal and uncommon indoc ideas I wasn't sure how I'd be remembered haha

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EpyonX3 wrote...

polor89 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I don't know how but....We'll B*ng ok?

but i care about you miranda..ash dam1t


You're a damn B*** Pirate.


I want more as*, Ash!

#50059
EpyonX3

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MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

polor89 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I don't know how but....We'll B*ng ok?

but i care about you miranda..ash dam1t


You're a damn B*** Pirate.


I want more as*, Ash!


So who's the master?

#50060
iggy1eco

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BluSoldier wrote...

Guys, I just had an epiphany. The GodChild is SOVERIEGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It makes sense, becuase Sovy died when he was uplinking to the Citidel, so his conciousness was beasically "installed" to the citidel, and then used it's long range transmitter to indoctrinate Shep throughout the galaxy!


Didn't Sovereign uplinked his Signal exactly at the same spot where the Crucible connected? That would be a mindblowing plot twist indeed. He could have uploaded himself into some program in there so Harbinger could do the rest of the cooking =p

I'll leave for now anyway. Cheers!!

Modifié par iggy1eco, 03 mai 2012 - 10:30 .


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polor89

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EpyonX3 wrote...

polor89 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I don't know how but....We'll B*ng ok?

but i care about you miranda..ash dam1t


You're a damn B*** Pirate.

No i am not a pirate i am a reporter from the show BattleT1ts

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EpyonX3

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polor89 wrote...
]No i am not a pirate i am a reporter from the show BattleT1ts


Report to the ship immediately! We'll b*ng, ok?

#50063
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TheConstantOne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Regardless... Starbrat words his conclusion as factual conclusion, which he cant. Not with the premises he cites, not with any known possible premises at all. Delusional, bleeding-out Shepard in one word put it the way the Starbrat should have:

"Maybe...."


Out of curiosity Hellish, what did you study in college?  I don't get to have good logic debates often; particularly logic debates that involve physics (my field of study).

I enjoyed our debate sir. I have nothing more to add because you are correct on a number of other points regarding RB's argument.
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Checking out the 2000 page marker, I checked out lex0r's list reference from Arias and found that I was indeed listed as Indoctrinationist.  I've been spouting so many literal and uncommon indoc ideas I wasn't sure how I'd be remembered haha


If you want your tag to be changed I will make that happen or tell Arian.

#50064
EpyonX3

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iggy1eco wrote...

BluSoldier wrote...

Guys, I just had an epiphany. The GodChild is SOVERIEGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It makes sense, becuase Sovy died when he was uplinking to the Citidel, so his conciousness was beasically "installed" to the citidel, and then used it's long range transmitter to indoctrinate Shep throughout the galaxy!


Didn't Sovereign uplinked his Signal exactly at the same spot where the Crucible connected? That would be a mindblowing plot twist indeed. He could have uploaded himself into some program in there so Harbinger could do the rest of the cooking =p

I'll leave for now anyway. Cheers!!


Actually it was on the opposite side.

#50065
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NeoDobby wrote...

Yes, the achni are different. But there is no information that says that humans wouldn't see oily shadows in there dreams as part of an indoctrination process. The Rachni know how to communicate with humans/other races that rely on voice and visuals to communicat. The queen can take control of a body and either make the body understand Rachni signals to enable it to tranform it to speech (unlikely, because it uses dead bodies), or the queen knows enough about speech and how other races use it to communicate. There is a possibility that the queen used the phrase "oily shadows" to make us understand how it is to be in the process of indoctrination. Perhaps using her knowledge about us to determine how we would "see" that process in dreams. I know, this is a lot to infer from a bit of info, but thi explaination makes perfect sense for me


I'm not saying there is no possibility, just that it is more likely in the context that the Rachni is talking about suffering and death rather than indoctrination. Just have a look again at the dialogue

Yes, I know, the both sides of that conflict are very well explained. But who attacked first? The Quarians, who saw that their commands to shut down didn't work? Or the Geth, as a result of their will of self preservation? Your interpretation seems to be that the Geth attacked. It could be the other way around, though.


The whole Geth consensus mission is to show how the Geth are actually peaceful beings and it was actually the Quarians' fault for their conflict . I think it is made pretty clear that it was actions of organics that led the synthetics to behave in such a way; if the Quarians had not treated them like s***, then there would be a very good chance that the two races would have lived in harmony. This is what that mission strongly implies.
ple primarily, and if they can't get the story without referring to a comic, then they have failed.



I get what you mean, although I find it a little strange to allow resources and game mechanics into the interpretation, but not officially released content. I mentioned comics and books merely as an example what I would include into world canon. But when you look through our collected evidence, you'll find that most of it comes from the game itself.

Hmm, I'd like to know: What is your take on includung DLC into the interpretation? There are a lot of players who won't pay money for extra game content? I, for example, weigh every DLC and try to figure out if it is worth the money they want from me, after reading tests. I haven't played arrival, but I accept that we use information from it.


I agree with the comics and books being allowed into evidence, just see what I said to someone else a few posts back about my feelings on them in relation to the main plot.

I would take it with a great deal of skepticism. First, the fact is that DLC is meant to supplement the main plot of the game not carry it, which all the DLC (except Arrival if you support IT) does.The reasons for this are clear; not everyone wants to buy DLC because it can be ridiculously priced and others will not have access to the internet. I don't know how many people bought Arrival, but I know a lot didn't, and if Arrival is very important to IT, then you are essentially missing out on something massive, even key to understanding the plot. Now, many IT theorists might make the argument that the reason BW didn't include the actual ending was because of time restraints, however as far as I am aware, no such graet restraints existed for that DLC.

I could go on further about why Arrival actually does quite a lot to discredit IT, but it is getting late so that is all for now :)

#50066
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lex0r11 wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Regardless... Starbrat words his conclusion as factual conclusion, which he cant. Not with the premises he cites, not with any known possible premises at all. Delusional, bleeding-out Shepard in one word put it the way the Starbrat should have:

"Maybe...."


Out of curiosity Hellish, what did you study in college?  I don't get to have good logic debates often; particularly logic debates that involve physics (my field of study).

I enjoyed our debate sir. I have nothing more to add because you are correct on a number of other points regarding RB's argument.
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Checking out the 2000 page marker, I checked out lex0r's list reference from Arias and found that I was indeed listed as Indoctrinationist.  I've been spouting so many literal and uncommon indoc ideas I wasn't sure how I'd be remembered haha


If you want your tag to be changed I will make that happen or tell Arian.


I'm quite happy to be labelled as I was haha.  My point was simply that I had no clue how my ideas were actually being perceived by others

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BluSoldier wrote...

Guys, I just had an epiphany. The GodChild is SOVERIEGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It makes sense, becuase Sovy died when he was uplinking to the Citidel, so his conciousness was beasically "installed" to the citidel, and then used it's long range transmitter to indoctrinate Shep throughout the galaxy!



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NeoDobby wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

polor89 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Kairi Hawke wrote...

has the theory been confirmed as true or false yet. Sorry im just curious.


The EC will confirm it, the content will speak for itself.

how are you so sure? i give a 30%(and i am been very generous)that the indoc. ther. will be true 



I think Balance meant that the EC will clarify whether IT is true or false. 


My guess is: >50% likely that Shepard was indoctrinated. In what way, or since when and what was real, aka IT, 50%


Sorry, but how the FRAK can anyone put a percentage on this?  It's completely subjective and up to Bioware. 

This isn't like calculating the odds of winning the lottery. 

(Which is about the same as being attacked by a polar bear and a regular bear on the same day.) 

Max - at least you said it was a guess.  So... 


Hmm, why did I read that with the voice of Micheal Hogan?

I agree, there's no way one can say this before it is out.


Glad I wasn't the only one that heard Colonel Tigh in my head as I read it. :?

#50069
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TheConstantOne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Regardless... Starbrat words his conclusion as factual conclusion, which he cant. Not with the premises he cites, not with any known possible premises at all. Delusional, bleeding-out Shepard in one word put it the way the Starbrat should have:

"Maybe...."


Out of curiosity Hellish, what did you study in college?  I don't get to have good logic debates often; particularly logic debates that involve physics (my field of study).

I enjoyed our debate sir. I have nothing more to add because you are correct on a number of other points regarding RB's argument.
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Checking out the 2000 page marker, I checked out lex0r's list reference from Arias and found that I was indeed listed as Indoctrinationist.  I've been spouting so many literal and uncommon indoc ideas I wasn't sure how I'd be remembered haha


Oh hey, a fellow physics student?

#50070
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It makes sense

No, it really doesn't.

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Fingertrip wrote...

It makes sense

No, it really doesn't.


More extensive arguments like these, please!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 03 mai 2012 - 10:35 .


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TheConstantOne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Regardless... Starbrat words his conclusion as factual conclusion, which he cant. Not with the premises he cites, not with any known possible premises at all. Delusional, bleeding-out Shepard in one word put it the way the Starbrat should have:

"Maybe...."


Out of curiosity Hellish, what did you study in college?  I don't get to have good logic debates often; particularly logic debates that involve physics (my field of study).

I enjoyed our debate sir. I have nothing more to add because you are correct on a number of other points regarding RB's argument.
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Checking out the 2000 page marker, I checked out lex0r's list reference from Arias and found that I was indeed listed as Indoctrinationist.  I've been spouting so many literal and uncommon indoc ideas I wasn't sure how I'd be remembered haha


I studied business management and information technology. If I recall correctly, Logic wasnt a requirement for either, but I was interested in the course and was able to apply it as an elective. =]

I enjoyed it as well. 

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MaximizedAction wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

*snip*

Checking out the 2000 page marker, I checked out lex0r's list reference from Arias and found that I was indeed listed as Indoctrinationist.  I've been spouting so many literal and uncommon indoc ideas I wasn't sure how I'd be remembered haha


Oh hey, a fellow physics student?


Ah hello to you!  We're the few and the proud haha

#50074
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EpyonX3 wrote...

polor89 wrote...
]No i am not a pirate i am a reporter from the show BattleT1ts


Report to the ship immediately! We'll b*ng, ok?

I Dont want to because i am here...for your sister:o

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Fingertrip wrote...

It makes sense

No, it really doesn't.


Wow. I'm convinced. Guys, he's convinced me IT is BS with 4 words and no argument or proof. It's amazing.