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[NeoDobby]

HellishFiend wrote...

While we're on the subject, if it wasnt for the fact that the Reapers are actually taking losses, the fact that they take the Citadel to Earth would convince me that they have some kind of grand design conspiracy going on. Earth is far, far from the safest possible location they could take the Citadel. Darkspace anyone? What about simply deactivating the mass relays? Unless Bioware is really just having the Reapers "conveniently" make mistakes for the sake of being able to wrap up the story (which is possible, I admit), there is a lot more going on than we are being led to believe.

Hmm, don't know about the Mass Relays - I mean, it's clear that the Keepers don't listen to the Reapers anymore. But I think they couldn't do it on their own - Sovereign still needed Saren as an inside man to activate the Citadel Relay. (or at least "repair the Keepers" or something)

Darkspace whould have been a long way. But I agree, they could have hidden the Citadel basically in any system, or in between, but they chose Sol/Earth - maybe because the majority of their forces are there?

[BatmanTurian]

Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

While we're on the subject, if it wasnt for the fact that the Reapers are actually taking losses, the fact that they take the Citadel to Earth would convince me that they have some kind of grand design conspiracy going on. Earth is far, far from the safest possible location they could take the Citadel. Darkspace anyone? What about simply deactivating the mass relays? Unless Bioware is really just having the Reapers "conveniently" make mistakes for the sake of being able to wrap up the story (which is possible, I admit), there is a lot more going on than we are being led to believe.

Hide it behind the Omega-4 relay.  "But the Normandy/Cerberus could follow" some would say.  Well not if the Reapers did for the first time in 37,000,000 years what IT professionals tell you to do every month and CHANGE THE GODDAMN PASSWORD.

But that wouldn't matter because EDI can break the encryption.

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

While we're on the subject, if it wasnt for the fact that the Reapers are actually taking losses, the fact that they take the Citadel to Earth would convince me that they have some kind of grand design conspiracy going on. Earth is far, far from the safest possible location they could take the Citadel. Darkspace anyone? What about simply deactivating the mass relays? Unless Bioware is really just having the Reapers "conveniently" make mistakes for the sake of being able to wrap up the story (which is possible, I admit), there is a lot more going on than we are being led to believe.

Presumably, they have brought the Citadel to Earth because they have chosen Humans to be the predominant species they wish to Reaperize and since the Collector base is gone or under Cerberus control and the equipment built to create a Human Reaper was damaged, the Citadel is plan B since it is likely a Reaper factory/nursery.

Well, their primary goal is ostensibly to protect the Citadel from being used alongside the Crucible. Whatever they are doing with the beam is a secondary objective. If it were a primary objective, they would not have waited until being informed about the Crucible to retake it and move it to "protect it". 

Agreed, keeping it from docking with the Crucible would have been their primary objective.

[Simon_Says]

In this year Mass Effect 1 was released.

[SS2Dante]

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

While we're on the subject, if it wasnt for the fact that the Reapers are actually taking losses, the fact that they take the Citadel to Earth would convince me that they have some kind of grand design conspiracy going on. Earth is far, far from the safest possible location they could take the Citadel. Darkspace anyone? What about simply deactivating the mass relays? Unless Bioware is really just having the Reapers "conveniently" make mistakes for the sake of being able to wrap up the story (which is possible, I admit), there is a lot more going on than we are being led to believe.

Presumably, they have brought the Citadel to Earth because they have chosen Humans to be the predominant species they wish to Reaperize and since the Collector base is gone or under Cerberus control and the equipment built to create a Human Reaper was damaged, the Citadel is plan B since it is likely a Reaper factory/nursery.

Well, their primary goal is ostensibly to protect the Citadel from being used alongside the Crucible. Whatever they are doing with the beam is a secondary objective. If it were a primary objective, they would not have waited until being informed about the Crucible to retake it and move it to "protect it". 

Agreed, keeping it from docking with the Crucible would have been their primary objective.

By the way, this thing about making a human Reaper on the citadel - we have just about zero reason to think that, save a brief thought by Shepard. You'd think they'd at least confirm or deny it, even in an offhand manner. Apart from that we're not really given any reason for the conduit :S

I'm of the opinion that there is something in London (what are the odds the story twist is "the protheans DID find the catalyst but were too weak to use it so they hid it on Earth. Under what is now london. or something like that ) and that the Conduit thing is a trap/misdirect.

I mean, they've already set up facilities on Earth to make dreadnoughts. Beaming people up to the citadel for processing seems insanely inefficient, apart from being just plain weird.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 04 mai 2012 - 12:01 .

[BatmanTurian]

Nekroso22 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
I'm making the argument that it has already happened, therefore it could happen, therefore it is valid. Whether it is a fact or not is up to Bioware. The evidence is in its favor of being a fact, however, since it's as much a cornerstone of the series as The Force and Lightsabres are for Star Wars.

There is no evidence to suggest that it is fact outside of the fan conjecture in this thread. You're making the argument that you think it happened, therefore you think it could happen, therefore you think it is valid.

And again I must stress that I'm not trying to disprove the IT. It works very well by itself and could be the subject of another story set in the Mass Effect universe, but not as the ending of Shepard's story.

Anyway, back to our original disagreement and beyond whatever problems you have with my communication, you presume that something that has been shown to happen in the Mass Effect universe cannot happen again nor can it happen to the main character nor should it. These are not decisions for you to make, so you can not present them as facts since they are your opinions.

However, it is not an opinion that something that has happened before can happen again since it is purely a matter of statistics, logical possibility, and a story element used again and again in the same story.

[BatmanTurian]

SS2Dante wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

While we're on the subject, if it wasnt for the fact that the Reapers are actually taking losses, the fact that they take the Citadel to Earth would convince me that they have some kind of grand design conspiracy going on. Earth is far, far from the safest possible location they could take the Citadel. Darkspace anyone? What about simply deactivating the mass relays? Unless Bioware is really just having the Reapers "conveniently" make mistakes for the sake of being able to wrap up the story (which is possible, I admit), there is a lot more going on than we are being led to believe.

Presumably, they have brought the Citadel to Earth because they have chosen Humans to be the predominant species they wish to Reaperize and since the Collector base is gone or under Cerberus control and the equipment built to create a Human Reaper was damaged, the Citadel is plan B since it is likely a Reaper factory/nursery.

Well, their primary goal is ostensibly to protect the Citadel from being used alongside the Crucible. Whatever they are doing with the beam is a secondary objective. If it were a primary objective, they would not have waited until being informed about the Crucible to retake it and move it to "protect it". 

Agreed, keeping it from docking with the Crucible would have been their primary objective.

By the way, this thing about making a human Reaper on the citadel - we have just about zero reason to think that, save a brief thought by Shepard. You'd think they'd at least confirm or deny it, even in an offhand manner. Apart from that we're not really given any reason for the conduit :S

I'm wof the opinion that there is something in London (what are the odds the story twist is "the protheans DID find the catalyst but were too weak to use it so they hid it on Earth. Under what is now london. or something like that ) and that the Conduit thing is a trap/misdirect.

I mean, they've already set up facilities on Earth to make dreadnoughts. Beaming people up to the citadel for processing seems insanely inefficient, apart from being just plain weird.

You're right, my supposition that it is a Reaper factory is just that: a supposition. I have little evidence beyond that it is a Reaper construct and much of it cannot be accessed by the temporary dwellers who live there in the 50,000 years the Reapers are not present.

[Arian Dynas]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

While we're on the subject, if it wasnt for the fact that the Reapers are actually taking losses, the fact that they take the Citadel to Earth would convince me that they have some kind of grand design conspiracy going on. Earth is far, far from the safest possible location they could take the Citadel. Darkspace anyone? What about simply deactivating the mass relays? Unless Bioware is really just having the Reapers "conveniently" make mistakes for the sake of being able to wrap up the story (which is possible, I admit), there is a lot more going on than we are being led to believe.

Hide it behind the Omega-4 relay.  "But the Normandy/Cerberus could follow" some would say.  Well not if the Reapers did for the first time in 37,000,000 years what IT professionals tell you to do every month and CHANGE THE GODDAMN PASSWORD.

But that wouldn't matter because EDI can break the encryption.

It's an identify friend-foe, not a password. The Omega-4 Relay  activates in response to the presence of a Reaper. The IFF, according to EDI makes the Normandy indistinguishable from a reaper for that tech.

[Arian Dynas]

Anywho, hi guys, what's new?

[BatmanTurian]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Anywho, hi guys, what's new?

We hit 2000 and celebrated :happy:

[balance5050]

 Oh look! My birth year! that's right everyone, you've been debating and losing to a small child....



 


I'm joking ofcourse.... born back in 1986 but I missed the page:P

[Arian Dynas]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Anywho, hi guys, what's new?

We hit 2000 and celebrated :happy:

aww... I missed it...

[BatmanTurian]

balance5050 wrote...

 Oh look! My birth year! that's right everyone, you've been debating and losing to a small child....

I'm joking ofcourse.... born back in 1986 but I missed the page:P

I missed my page too, so don't feel bad.

[Destructorlio]

Can't wait for 2008! That's when synthpop replaced hip-hop!

Anyway, I only just saw the cubemap thing. I AM CONVINCED.

[BatmanTurian]

Destructorlio wrote...

Can't wait for 2008! That's when synthpop replaced hip-hop!

Anyway, I only just saw the cubemap thing. I AM CONVINCED.

Okay. Well then... Welcome to the Logical, Opimistic Bioware Fan support group.

[Arian Dynas]

BatmanTurian wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Oh look! My birth year! that's right everyone, you've been debating and losing to a small child....

I'm joking ofcourse.... born back in 1986 but I missed the page:P

I missed my page too, so don't feel bad.

I missed '93.

Yep, January '93. You've been listening this whole time to a near 20-something.

Also, I see Lex0r used me list, I'm touched. It seems I was there in spirit.

[BatmanTurian]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Oh look! My birth year! that's right everyone, you've been debating and losing to a small child....

I'm joking ofcourse.... born back in 1986 but I missed the page:P

I missed my page too, so don't feel bad.

I missed '93.

Yep, January '93. You've been listening this whole time to a near 20-something.

Also, I see Lex0r used me list, I'm touched. It seems I was there in spirit.

1980. You're just a little older than my little brother.

[balance5050]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Oh look! My birth year! that's right everyone, you've been debating and losing to a small child....

I'm joking ofcourse.... born back in 1986 but I missed the page:P

I missed my page too, so don't feel bad.

I missed '93.

Yep, January '93. You've been listening this whole time to a near 20-something.

Also, I see Lex0r used me list, I'm touched. It seems I was there in spirit.

1980. You're just a little older than my little brother.

Batman Turian, I dare say you might be the senior poster here on the I.T. thread.

Modifié par balance5050, 04 mai 2012 - 01:04 .

[spotlessvoid]

Destructorlio wrote...

Can't wait for 2008! That's when synthpop replaced hip-hop!

Anyway, I only just saw the cubemap thing. I AM CONVINCED.

I don't know if THAT evidence should be the one to solidify your belief.

[Arian Dynas]

balance5050 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Oh look! My birth year! that's right everyone, you've been debating and losing to a small child....

I'm joking ofcourse.... born back in 1986 but I missed the page:P

I missed my page too, so don't feel bad.

I missed '93.

Yep, January '93. You've been listening this whole time to a near 20-something.

Also, I see Lex0r used me list, I'm touched. It seems I was there in spirit.

1980. You're just a little older than my little brother.

Batman Turian, I dare say you might be the senior poster here on the I.T. thread.

No, that title belongs to DJBare. He's 57.

[paxxton]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Oh look! My birth year! that's right everyone, you've been debating and losing to a small child....

I'm joking ofcourse.... born back in 1986 but I missed the page:P

I missed my page too, so don't feel bad.

I missed '93.

Yep, January '93. You've been listening this whole time to a near 20-something.

Also, I see Lex0r used me list, I'm touched. It seems I was there in spirit.

And I'm not on the list.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 mai 2012 - 01:09 .

[Xavendithas]

Aside from hitting 2000, anything noteworthy noticed today? I did finally get to read up on the theory about Coates...I was glad to hear I wasn't the only one that thought he was behaving suspiciously.

[Arian Dynas]

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Oh look! My birth year! that's right everyone, you've been debating and losing to a small child....

I'm joking ofcourse.... born back in 1986 but I missed the page:P

I missed my page too, so don't feel bad.

I missed '93.

Yep, January '93. You've been listening this whole time to a near 20-something.

Also, I see Lex0r used me list, I'm touched. It seems I was there in spirit.

And I'm not on the list.

Hmm, you should be, but I will admit, that list is far from complete. I'll need some help if I am going to do so.

[spotlessvoid]

balance5050 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Oh look! My birth year! that's right everyone, you've been debating and losing to a small child....

I'm joking ofcourse.... born back in 1986 but I missed the page:P

I missed my page too, so don't feel bad.

I missed '93.

Yep, January '93. You've been listening this whole time to a near 20-something.

Also, I see Lex0r used me list, I'm touched. It seems I was there in spirit.

1980. You're just a little older than my little brother.

Batman Turian, I dare say you might be the senior poster here on the I.T. thread.

Don't believe Arians lies. "He" is actually a collective of sentient encyclopedias with a combined age of 873,426 years.

[BatmanTurian]

balance5050 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Oh look! My birth year! that's right everyone, you've been debating and losing to a small child....

I'm joking ofcourse.... born back in 1986 but I missed the page:P

I missed my page too, so don't feel bad.

I missed '93.

Yep, January '93. You've been listening this whole time to a near 20-something.

Also, I see Lex0r used me list, I'm touched. It seems I was there in spirit.

1980. You're just a little older than my little brother.

Batman Turian, I dare say you might be the senior poster here on the I.T. thread.

Geez, I always thought the ages were an even spread. Now I feel old.