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[Big Bad]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Anybody else hope/expect that we are going to learn more about why TIM tried to take over the citadel in future DLC? I still think that there must have been more going on than meets the eye. A coup just seems too. . .pedestrian for TIM. Now, a coup used as a distraction to keep watchful eyes from figuring out what he's actually up to? That sounds more like the TIM that I've come to love to hate.

That and Take Back Omega are some of the DLC's people think might happen. Also there are some systems on the galaxy map that you are locked out of. It looks like there will be a lot of DLC. I wonder if they'll keep doing DLC right up until ME 4 (if they do it.  Not sure if they will really axe Shepard or not. )

Yeah, I hope there is some really cool DLC.  I don't really want any diversionary side missions, even if they are fun.  I want substantial DLC that fleshes out the story.  Take back Omega sounds interesting.  I really want TIM to have some sort of interesting overarching plan that is more elaborate than "control the reapers!".  Even if he's indoctrinated, I don't want to see him turned into just another Reaper tool doing their bidding.

[Arian Dynas]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Anybody else hope/expect that we are going to learn more about why TIM tried to take over the citadel in future DLC? I still think that there must have been more going on than meets the eye. A coup just seems too. . .pedestrian for TIM. Now, a coup used as a distraction to keep watchful eyes from figuring out what he's actually up to? That sounds more like the TIM that I've come to love to hate.

That and Take Back Omega are some of the DLC's people think might happen. Also there are some systems on the galaxy map that you are locked out of. It looks like there will be a lot of DLC. I wonder if they'll keep doing DLC right up until ME 4 (if they do it.  Not sure if they will really axe Shepard or not. )

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, things have made alot of sense thus far... if you assume one thing.

My current theory is that the DLC plan they had designed would work like this;

Release ME3 - Some people finish quickly, refuse to discuss the endings, let them stew, and speculate, keep their interest up. Ending generates some discontent, but people are mostly satisfied, but wondering WTF was up with that wierd ending?

As people speculate, keep posting new events on the ANN, Alliance News Network

Do a multiplayer event every weekend, corresponding with some significant aspect of the war such as a major battle or operation.

Release multiplayer DLC every so often to correspond with different points, start with some of the most easily acquired races (and some of the fan favorites, because if they don't get them right away...)

Release single player DLC, correspinding with major battles, major events and major parts of the war, like the retaking of Omega. Be sure to work in a big tie in in the ANN and similar things.

Release minor tie in things such as the Datapad app, or Mass Effect Infiltrator.

Finally, a month or two later, maybe even more, release a HUGE DLC, or potentially even expansion pack with lots of pomp and trumpeting. Shepard is revealed to have hallucinated the last few minutes of the game if you've already gotten to the end. The DLC corresponds with the battle of Earth, which the ANN twitter feed has now caught up to, giving details of the invasion. It gets advertised as this huge Alternate Reality game, and the fans go wild.

Unfortunately, the whole thing got scuppered when part one of the plan failed. People were NOT satisfied with the ending. SO now they have to pull the EC direct out of their asses and heavily reconsider the whole schedule.

Irony's a **** huh?

That would tragic if they ended up having to scrap their plan. Hopefully they are riding out the storm and keep to it

 

*cough*

[BatmanTurian]

blooregard wrote...

I kinda wonder about TIM since it seems like he's been indoctrinated for long before ME2 why did he bother bringing you back to kill the Collectors? If the Collecters already wanted Shepard so why did he rebuild you to kill them why not just let them take you? Is it possible that Harbinger saw the value of Shepard far outweighed the value of the Collectors and thus chose to possibly sacrifice them in exchange for Shepard? I mean TIM alone sent you on missions into the Collector ship, onto a derelict Reaper, and into the center of the galaxy under a false banner of "you must stop the Collectors" but in all actuality it is possible he was trying to give Shepard and those that followed him (considering they're the best) to the Collectors and Reapers to either kill them or turn them into Reaper sleeper agents?

Yeah, I think Harby threw the Collecters under the bus for his new crush: Shepard and Humans.

[NeoDobby]

paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey, is it at all possible to catch Tali when she jumps off the cliff?

Does she jump when you kill the quarians? Haven't played that choice.

PS: As we're comparing age, im 1986.

Sorry for the spoiler.

No problem. I guessed one always dies. Mordin or Wrex when curing or not curing the genophage, Tali or Legion with the Quarian/Geth - and sometimes both. Hmm - is there a choice where non of them dies?

[Arian Dynas]

Big Bad wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Anybody else hope/expect that we are going to learn more about why TIM tried to take over the citadel in future DLC? I still think that there must have been more going on than meets the eye. A coup just seems too. . .pedestrian for TIM. Now, a coup used as a distraction to keep watchful eyes from figuring out what he's actually up to? That sounds more like the TIM that I've come to love to hate.

That and Take Back Omega are some of the DLC's people think might happen. Also there are some systems on the galaxy map that you are locked out of. It looks like there will be a lot of DLC. I wonder if they'll keep doing DLC right up until ME 4 (if they do it.  Not sure if they will really axe Shepard or not. )

Yeah, I hope there is some really cool DLC.  I don't really want any diversionary side missions, even if they are fun.  I want substantial DLC that fleshes out the story.  Take back Omega sounds interesting.  I really want TIM to have some sort of interesting overarching plan that is more elaborate than "control the reapers!".  Even if he's indoctrinated, I don't want to see him turned into just another Reaper tool doing their bidding.

Why not? He was a tool to begin with.

Oh wait, you mean he's being used. Nevermind.

[Auralius Carolus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

yeah I get your joke now. I honestly thought that you thought I was making some political statement lol. I guess I should keep that picture in the bottom of the bin.

Please do. The constant swooning of the press over him has caused me to develop a third stomach condition... regardless of politics, (which I could go on at length about, but I will resist as this may cause the IT thread to explode), I do so dislike cults of personality.

The very word "Hollywood" gives me a gag reflex.

[Xavendithas]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Okay, I have only finished one play through of the game so my memory is a little fuzzy. I have been watching clips here and there in connection to the theory about Coates but, at any point does any of the other characters actually acknowledge his presence? In all the clips I've watched there is not one character that responds to anything Coates says.

If I'm not mistaken, Anderson is the one to introduce you to him.

I'm trying to find a video of some of those sequences but, seriously in every video I have watched no one acknowledges him. They don't even look in his direction while he is talking.

If you're right, then Coates exists only in Shepherd's head, which might start blurring the line when the hallucination begins...

I found a clip of him and Anderson talking back and forth. I still find it strange that none of the Normandy crew members ever seem to acknowledge him. It only seems to be Anderson and Shepard that interact with him.

[spotlessvoid]

I know what an Arian cough means. Where's the link?

[NeoDobby]

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey, is it at all possible to catch Tali when she jumps off the cliff?

No it's not possible. There's no interrupt and it's a semi-logical consequence of letting the Geth wipe her people out right in front of her face.

What?! There's an interrupt. A green one. But Shepard fails to catch her.

A GREEN one? Trying a synthesis with Tali? I guess some already did that

[paxxton]

NeoDobby wrote...

paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey, is it at all possible to catch Tali when she jumps off the cliff?

Does she jump when you kill the quarians? Haven't played that choice.

PS: As we're comparing age, im 1986.

Sorry for the spoiler.

No problem. I guessed one always dies. Mordin or Wrex when curing or not curing the genophage, Tali or Legion with the Quarian/Geth - and sometimes both. Hmm - is there a choice where non of them dies?

I think there is but I was unable to save both species.

[TheConstantOne]

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, this thing about making a human Reaper on the citadel - we have just about zero reason to think that, save a brief thought by Shepard. You'd think they'd at least confirm or deny it, even in an offhand manner. Apart from that we're not really given any reason for the conduit :S

I'm of the opinion that there is something in London (what are the odds the story twist is "the protheans DID find the catalyst but were too weak to use it so they hid it on Earth. Under what is now london. or something like that ) and that the Conduit thing is a trap/misdirect.

I mean, they've already set up facilities on Earth to make dreadnoughts. Beaming people up to the citadel for processing seems insanely inefficient, apart from being just plain weird.

This is a good thought: that the Protheans buried something beneath London ages ago.  Perhaps a crucial Crucible component.

About the whole transporting people to the Crucible...I've had a thought about that.  Consider what we know before the indoc scene with the Illusive Man and Anderson.  Hackett has no freaking clue as to what the device will do but TIM is hellbent on the idea that it can control the Reapers.  What if what he is not only correct but his idea isn't forceful enough?  What if it has the potential to control or rather *pacify* life that it gets attuned to?  James said the the Citadel feels too peaceful and, indeed, throughout the series the Citadel is always very slow to move to conflict There are other possible explanations for this, of course, but what if this calm was generated by the Citadel and the Crucible acts like a signal amplifier?

This would mean that the Reapers were waiting for us to build the Crucible and moved it to Earth once were ready so that they could load humans into the station and align the device with our DNA?  They could instantly indoctrinate/pacify the entire human race.  Their forces could destroy the allied fleet...the Reapers know this.  And with humans all uniformly indoctrinated...they have more than enough supplies to create their human Reaper(s) and send out double agents.

I had a thought like this when I created a literalist theory to satisfy myself should Bioware stick to things at face value. But this...I think this is really compelling.  What do you all think?

[BatmanTurian]

Arian Dynas wrote...
*snip*

*cough*

Ya, I agree with that timeline, I'm just wondering if they'lll keep going past the EC. Sure it's a Trilogy, but a new trilogy could be established in the same universe and still have the same character I guess. I'm just hypothesizing.

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey, is it at all possible to catch Tali when she jumps off the cliff?

Does she jump when you kill the quarians? Haven't played that choice.

PS: As we're comparing age, im 1986.

Sorry for the spoiler.

No problem. I guessed one always dies. Mordin or Wrex when curing or not curing the genophage, Tali or Legion with the Quarian/Geth - and sometimes both. Hmm - is there a choice where non of them dies?

I think there is but I was unable to save both species.

There is a way. You have to talk the Fleet down and make them stop fighting the Geth, then let Legion upload the code in that order.

[NeoDobby]

paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey, is it at all possible to catch Tali when she jumps off the cliff?

Does she jump when you kill the quarians? Haven't played that choice.

PS: As we're comparing age, im 1986.

Sorry for the spoiler.

No problem. I guessed one always dies. Mordin or Wrex when curing or not curing the genophage, Tali or Legion with the Quarian/Geth - and sometimes both. Hmm - is there a choice where non of them dies?

I think there is but I was unable to save both species.

When you unite Quarian and Geth, Legion dies - and I guess he dies too when you destroy the Geth.

[Domanese]

Destructorlio wrote...

Can't wait for 2008! That's when synthpop replaced hip-hop!

Anyway, I only just saw the cubemap thing. I AM CONVINCED.

Can someone explain to me a touch why the cube map is such an important piece of evidence? Or is that sarcasm that i failed to pick up on?

[spotlessvoid]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
*snip*

*cough*

Ya, I agree with that timeline, I'm just wondering if they'lll keep going past the EC. Sure it's a Trilogy, but a new trilogy could be established in the same universe and still have the same character I guess. I'm just hypothesizing.

Right, doesn't mean they gave up on it, just might be delayed

[Big Bad]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, things have made alot of sense thus far... if you assume one thing.

My current theory is that the DLC plan they had designed would work like this;

Release ME3 - Some people finish quickly, refuse to discuss the endings, let them stew, and speculate, keep their interest up. Ending generates some discontent, but people are mostly satisfied, but wondering WTF was up with that wierd ending?

As people speculate, keep posting new events on the ANN, Alliance News Network

Do a multiplayer event every weekend, corresponding with some significant aspect of the war such as a major battle or operation.

Release multiplayer DLC every so often to correspond with different points, start with some of the most easily acquired races (and some of the fan favorites, because if they don't get them right away...)

Release single player DLC, correspinding with major battles, major events and major parts of the war, like the retaking of Omega. Be sure to work in a big tie in in the ANN and similar things.

Release minor tie in things such as the Datapad app, or Mass Effect Infiltrator.

Finally, a month or two later, maybe even more, release a HUGE DLC, or potentially even expansion pack with lots of pomp and trumpeting. Shepard is revealed to have hallucinated the last few minutes of the game if you've already gotten to the end. The DLC corresponds with the battle of Earth, which the ANN twitter feed has now caught up to, giving details of the invasion. It gets advertised as this huge Alternate Reality game, and the fans go wild.

Unfortunately, the whole thing got scuppered when part one of the plan failed. People were NOT satisfied with the ending. SO now they have to pull the EC direct out of their asses and heavily reconsider the whole schedule.

Irony's a **** huh?

That would tragic if they ended up having to scrap their plan. Hopefully they are riding out the storm and keep to it

*cough*

You, sir, are the king of shameless self-promotion.    That said, I hope you theory is right!

Edit:  I fail at quoting!

Modifié par Big Bad, 04 mai 2012 - 01:51 .

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey, is it at all possible to catch Tali when she jumps off the cliff?

No it's not possible. There's no interrupt and it's a semi-logical consequence of letting the Geth wipe her people out right in front of her face.

What?! There's an interrupt. A green one. But Shepard fails to catch her.

Really? I don't remember the interrupt. But anyway, Shepard failing that makes sense.

[BatmanTurian]

Domanese wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Can't wait for 2008! That's when synthpop replaced hip-hop!

Anyway, I only just saw the cubemap thing. I AM CONVINCED.

Can someone explain to me a touch why the cube map is such an important piece of evidence? Or is that sarcasm that i failed to pick up on?

I don't have a picture, but there are some cubemaps that showed that at some point they meant to put up trees in the Catalyst scene which would have made that scene a lot more surreal. They took out the cubemap in the game, but left the maps in the software and didn't delete the reflection of the map in the floor. Whoever has a picture, can you throw it up on here for Domanese?

[Big Bad]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
*snip*

*cough*

Ya, I agree with that timeline, I'm just wondering if they'lll keep going past the EC. Sure it's a Trilogy, but a new trilogy could be established in the same universe and still have the same character I guess. I'm just hypothesizing.

Honestly, I really hope that Shepard's story does end with M3 like they promised.  I love her character, but I want to see her go out on top instead of fizzling out 4 games from now.  Of course, what we currently have is not exactly Shepard going out on top.

[Auralius Carolus]

So, I managed to bring up ME3 at a Gamestop today. The clerk, (a manager, I believe), had heard a lot of discussion about ME3 and the Ending but never had heard of the Indoc. Theory.

Yours truly introduced him. Another seed has been planted > - prepare for the butterfly effect.

[killakidmb]

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Okay, I have only finished one play through of the game so my memory is a little fuzzy. I have been watching clips here and there in connection to the theory about Coates but, at any point does any of the other characters actually acknowledge his presence? In all the clips I've watched there is not one character that responds to anything Coates says.

If I'm not mistaken, Anderson is the one to introduce you to him.

I'm trying to find a video of some of those sequences but, seriously in every video I have watched no one acknowledges him. They don't even look in his direction while he is talking.

If you're right, then Coates exists only in Shepherd's head, which might start blurring the line when the hallucination begins...

I found a clip of him and Anderson talking back and forth. I still find it strange that none of the Normandy crew members ever seem to acknowledge him. It only seems to be Anderson and Shepard that interact with him.

Just finished the Derelict Reaper mission in ME2. On one of the logs there's 2 indoctrinated cerberus operatives discussing the fact that they have some of the same memories. Is it possible that Shepard and Anderson are the only ones who are seem to react to anything Coates does because they are both indoctrinated and are the only ones that he actually appears to?

[balance5050]

Domanese wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Can't wait for 2008! That's when synthpop replaced hip-hop!

Anyway, I only just saw the cubemap thing. I AM CONVINCED.

Can someone explain to me a touch why the cube map is such an important piece of evidence? Or is that sarcasm that i failed to pick up on?

Here you go.



http://i.imgur.com/RIIzj.jpg 



http://img72.imagesh...5148/treees.png   

[BatmanTurian]

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Okay, I have only finished one play through of the game so my memory is a little fuzzy. I have been watching clips here and there in connection to the theory about Coates but, at any point does any of the other characters actually acknowledge his presence? In all the clips I've watched there is not one character that responds to anything Coates says.

If I'm not mistaken, Anderson is the one to introduce you to him.

I'm trying to find a video of some of those sequences but, seriously in every video I have watched no one acknowledges him. They don't even look in his direction while he is talking.

If you're right, then Coates exists only in Shepherd's head, which might start blurring the line when the hallucination begins...

I found a clip of him and Anderson talking back and forth. I still find it strange that none of the Normandy crew members ever seem to acknowledge him. It only seems to be Anderson and Shepard that interact with him.

It might be an oversight, or it might be intended. Maybe your crewmates feel awkward talking to a Human from Earth they don't know? The way Coates acts, he would make me feel awkward too. He's kind of a do*che and a buzzkill.

[Arian Dynas]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I know what an Arian cough means. Where's the link?

Those quotes ARE what I was linking, lol.