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[Ona Demonie]

MaroonMoore93 wrote...

More news from the Twitter front!

Zach Naizer -
@masseffect Any idea when the debree on earth around the n7 armor is going to be removed?

Mass Effect-
@alaggyhost We have no ETA at this time

OH ****, SON.

[BlazinCold]

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*starts spinning my walking cane*

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We'll see...

*press ESC*

[rockman0]

Why does Anderson die? Wasn't he in better shape then you? I know he gets shot in the stomach, but he was wearing kevlar or something. It shouldn't have killed him, should it?

Which brings me to my next point. Why was Anderson's armor still in relative good condition while yours wasn't? I mean, the N7 armor that Shepard was wearing is more durable than the light armor that Anderson was wearing. He should have been half-naked by the way Shepard's armor was burned off (I'm glad he wasn't, but still. )

[GBGriffin]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I think BioWare is finally opening up about the teases because we've figured it out finally.

Or they're going with it because we're ****ing brilliant.

BioWare employee: "Hey Mac, have you checked the forums? People hate your ending, but there's this thread floating around about how Shepard is actually indoctrinated."

Mac Walters: "...That's pretty good, actually. Let's roll with that. I'll make the call."

[Vyrii]

Ona Demonie wrote...

I haven't seen a single bit of info to disprove this theory. One thing I have noticed in ME3 a lot:

Renegade Interrupts are actually ones that even Paragons will take. Here's a small list:
-Udina
-Kai Leng's final battle
-Dalatrass
-TIM

I am a full-on paragon. Yet during those scenes, I always took the interrupt on impulse. It was weird. I noticed that there fewer Paragon interrupts in the main storyline than Renegade. Now, look at the Destroy choice: It's Renegade color.

Don't know what it means, but something I wanted to point out.

Devs said early on that the paragon options weren't always the correct options.  At first I thought that this was only refering to the past games, as some things from ME1 and ME2 that you took the paragon route in end up badly in ME3.  However, I do believe that they were refering to the final scene.

It really only makes sense.

[FugitiveMind]

lookingglassmind wrote...

MaroonMoore93 wrote...

More news from the Twitter front!

Zach Naizer -
@masseffect Any idea when the debree on earth around the n7 armor is going to be removed?

Mass Effect-
@alaggyhost We have no ETA at this time

I am going to cry.

We were seriously RIGHT, guys. I know it. In my heart.

I don't care, now. You guys can flame me. But I've been with this thread since day one. I wrote one of the first major treatises on the Player Indoctrination Theory.

I know we are right.

Been drinking the kool aid since the beginning as well,

unfortunately if/when this does get announced, my reaction isn't going to be:

Good, this fixes things!

It's going to be:

Why am I waiting for this? Why the hell wasn't this on the original disc?

[thePredator50]

MaroonMoore93 wrote...

More news from the Twitter front!

Zach Naizer -
@masseffect Any idea when the debree on earth around the n7 armor is going to be removed?

Mass Effect-
@alaggyhost We have no ETA at this time

YES YES YES YES YES YES

[GBGriffin]

FugitiveMind wrote...



Been drinking the kool aid since the beginning as well,

unfortunately if/when this does get announced, my reaction isn't going to be:

Good, this fixes things!

It's going to be:

Why am I waiting for this? Why the hell wasn't this on the original disc?

Agreed. 

After my joy dies down, I cant help but ask: "What. The . ****!? Who thought this would be a good idea!?"

Again, hallucination does not and SHOULD not excuse bad writing and storytelling.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 12 mars 2012 - 09:38 .

[SorrowAndJoy7]

Auresta wrote...
There is still no reason to believe that they are really destroyed in Destroy. Star-kid might be lying. But I see your point.

Until I see someone with an destroy ending that shows EDI come out, I think it is pretty strongly insinuated that she died. Which is why she only comes out in other choices.

Modifié par SorrowAndJoy7, 12 mars 2012 - 09:40 .

[Auresta]

"The name be Eff ‏ @TheEf****e · Open
@masseffect Is it possible for the player to be indoctrinated ?
Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Close
@theef****e We certainly hope you're not!"

At least they're playing around with it. lol

[Maike91]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I think BioWare is finally opening up about the teases because we've figured it out finally.

Or they're going with it because we're ****ing brilliant.

You know what? I don't even care if they didn't plan this but I really want this ending! 

[Sl4sh3r]

GBGriffin wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...



Been drinking the kool aid since the beginning as well,

unfortunately if/when this does get announced, my reaction isn't going to be:

Good, this fixes things!

It's going to be:

Why am I waiting for this? Why the hell wasn't this on the original disc?

Agreed. 

After my joy dies down, I cant help but ask: "What. The . ****!? Who thought this would be a good idea!?"

Again, hallucination does not and SHOULD not excuse bad writing and storytelling.

Agreed.

Just another way to suck money out of the consumer I suppose.

[lookingglassmind]

FugitiveMind wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

MaroonMoore93 wrote...

More news from the Twitter front!

Zach Naizer -
@masseffect Any idea when the debree on earth around the n7 armor is going to be removed?

Mass Effect-
@alaggyhost We have no ETA at this time

I am going to cry.

We were seriously RIGHT, guys. I know it. In my heart.

I don't care, now. You guys can flame me. But I've been with this thread since day one. I wrote one of the first major treatises on the Player Indoctrination Theory.

I know we are right.

Been drinking the kool aid since the beginning as well,

unfortunately if/when this does get announced, my reaction isn't going to be:

Good, this fixes things!

It's going to be:

Why am I waiting for this? Why the hell wasn't this on the original disc?

If the content is already on the disc, though?

[Auresta]

SorrowAndJoy7 wrote...

Auresta wrote...
There is still no reason to believe that they are really destroyed in Destroy. Star-kid might be lying. But I see your point.

Until I see someone with an destroy ending that shows EDI come out, I think it is pretty strongly insinuated that she died. Which is why she only comes out in other choices.

You see why I struggled with all the choices?

[GBGriffin]

Also, again, ambiguous statement is ambiguous at best. It doesn't mean we're right or wrong.

Just keep that in mind so we can come back to it if it's just more spin

[Bigdoser]

Well I was watching a stream of me3 on twitch tv like 4 days ago and I just remembered something there was developers in the chat and they said they wanted people to talk about the endings. 

Modifié par Bigdoser, 12 mars 2012 - 09:40 .

[Ona Demonie]

Vyrii wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

I haven't seen a single bit of info to disprove this theory. One thing I have noticed in ME3 a lot:

Renegade Interrupts are actually ones that even Paragons will take. Here's a small list:
-Udina
-Kai Leng's final battle
-Dalatrass
-TIM

I am a full-on paragon. Yet during those scenes, I always took the interrupt on impulse. It was weird. I noticed that there fewer Paragon interrupts in the main storyline than Renegade. Now, look at the Destroy choice: It's Renegade color.

Don't know what it means, but something I wanted to point out.

Devs said early on that the paragon options weren't always the correct options.  At first I thought that this was only refering to the past games, as some things from ME1 and ME2 that you took the paragon route in end up badly in ME3.  However, I do believe that they were refering to the final scene.

It really only makes sense.

What were some things that ended badly if you chose Paragon in ME1 and ME2? 

[G0thicRhino]

Falar wrote...

From here: http://serenadesha.t...n-mass-effect-3

If you read the codex on indoctrination, it is as follows:

Reaper “indoctrination” is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, “reprogramming” the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper’s resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.

Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of “being watched” and hallucinations of “ghostly” presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim’s body to amplify its signals, manifesting as “alien” voices in the mind.

Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. A Reaper’s “suggestions” can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.

Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days or
weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years.

I was kind of “meh” on the indocrination theory in regards to the ending of ME3. But I have since changed my mind.

The original reason I didn’t trust it was because of the Prothean VI on Thessia. It freaks out about indoctrination when Kai Leng shows up. However, if you remember Vigil’s conversation with Shepard on Ilos back in ME1 (here’s a link to the part that has it: it’s between 5:15-5:30), he says the Protheans never fully understood indoctrination, which is why Saren was able to access their beacons. So, it stands to reason that a very lightly indoctrinated person such as Shepard wouldn’t “ding” the VI’s indoctrination protocol.

Shepard has been indoctrinated, albeit lightly. One of the major representations of this is the little kid in the beginning of the game. There’s no reason for him to be playing outside where Shepard could see him, inside an Alliance compound. Still acceptable, though weird. Then, you encounter him in a destroyed building. Again, weird, but he could be taking shelter there.

What’s more telling is his behavior. Any normal kid would be relieved to find an adult, and would be asking for help. Instead, he says, “You can’t help me.” This isn’t something a kid says. Not when their world is falling apart. They might say nothing, hide, but they’re not going to turn down help. Shepard turns, and when s/he looks back, the kid is gone. Magically.

But the most telling scene is the shuttle scene. Suddenly, this boy escaped a building that Anderson and Shepard barely made out alive (Shep almost fell, remember?) and is clambering up into a shuttle. He suddenly is okay with help? Okay, acceptable. But no one notices him. When my husband and I watched this, he said, “Someone would have helped him up.” We both agreed, but it was just odd. Taken in with all of this, though?

The boy was a hallucination — a way for  the Reapers to subtly control Shepard. Through him, they were saying all Shepard’s actions are for naught, that there’s nothing that can be done. It’s inevitable. Then they fill Shepard’s nights with dreams of death and the very last dream is her embracing that death, because it can’t be helped. Shepard can’t save anyone. Or so the Reapers want  Shepard to think.

So, yes, they’ve been indoctrinating and manipulating Shepard all along, and the ending scenes were the culmination of that mental battle. Looking forward to see where this goes from here.

Exactly. My thoughts exactly. I only wonder, how long has the process being going on? Lazarus? No one else had the tech to revive Shepard at the time, and that tech is from the Reapers. That's my friend's two cents anyway. I'm not sure I agree with that, but Shep has been under the influence for a long time, for sure.

[IronSabbath88]

Well with the leaks of ME3 and the leaks of Gears of War 3. Perhaps they withheld the actual endings on purpose?

I mean EVERY game sees to be leaked nowadays.

[Vyrii]

With all the uproar about the endings getting worse and worse I can only imagine that Bioware will last a few more days before an official announcement will be made.

Either that or someone is going to become very angry and hack something they're not supposed to, scream "THIS IS FOR LEGION!!!" and then post the information under the alias "Shadow_Broker" give it to us and call it a day.

Not that I'm SUGGESTING anything...

EDIT: not to MENTION that the site keeps going down!!!! Traffic!

Modifié par Vyrii, 12 mars 2012 - 09:45 .

[GBGriffin]

Auresta wrote...

"The name be Eff ‏ @TheEf****e · Open
@masseffect Is it possible for the player to be indoctrinated ?
Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Close
@theef****e We certainly hope you're not!"

At least they're playing around with it. lol

Yeah. It's cool they're playing around with it and toying with peopel rather than just flatout ending the controversy with a definitive statement...

Seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if this was more spin.

[desert116]

Sl4sh3r wrote...
Agreed.

Just another way to suck money out of the consumer I suppose.

And it's working...

[omgBAMF]

I've been on-board the whole "ending is a dream/indoc/hallucination" thing for a while now, but now I know for a fact it is such once someone posted a pic of the "dream tree" in London after getting blasted by Harby.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg 

Someone also mentioned that the power conduit (that you shoot in the destroy ending) looks VERY similar to the tubes holding up skeletor-reaper at the end of ME2.  This is just another (on top of many) thing that is similar in the dream to instances in Shep's past.

I feel like tweeting this thread to Gamble and telling him "HEY... we're on to you!"

[FugitiveMind]

lookingglassmind wrote...

If the content is already on the disc, though?

What?? You're going to take up my day/date encoded time release content on the disc insane conspiracy theory??
(seriously, got to be page 3 or 4 I'd imagine)

I thought I got laughed back to the stone ages for that one

If it's instant upon announcement say, TOMORROW, then I'll be fine.
I was empty and hollow after the "end", BUT:

If I have to wait there will be rage. The tag line was to take back earth on 3/6. Not go to earth on 3/6 and sit around for a month before taking it back.

If we have to pay there will be SEETHING rage

[BlackDragonBane]

Auresta wrote...

SorrowAndJoy7 wrote...

Auresta wrote...
There is still no reason to believe that they are really destroyed in Destroy. Star-kid might be lying. But I see your point.

Until I see someone with an destroy ending that shows EDI come out, I think it is pretty strongly insinuated that she died. Which is why she only comes out in other choices.

You see why I struggled with all the choices?

It's a delusion of the effcts of indoctrination before Shepard breaks free. Catalyst clais EDI and the Geth would die if Destruction is chosen, so Shepard's confused and deluded conciousness will THINK EDI was destroyed when the Normandy escaped.

But we're all pretty sure that Catalyst is lying through its virtual teeth and nothing has happened because this is all part of the indoctrination. When Shepard wakes up, i'm 99% certain the Geth and EDI will be fine simply because Shepard, in reality, never made it to the Citadel and the Crucible in the first place.