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[Xavendithas]

killakidmb wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Okay, I have only finished one play through of the game so my memory is a little fuzzy. I have been watching clips here and there in connection to the theory about Coates but, at any point does any of the other characters actually acknowledge his presence? In all the clips I've watched there is not one character that responds to anything Coates says.

If I'm not mistaken, Anderson is the one to introduce you to him.

I'm trying to find a video of some of those sequences but, seriously in every video I have watched no one acknowledges him. They don't even look in his direction while he is talking.

If you're right, then Coates exists only in Shepherd's head, which might start blurring the line when the hallucination begins...

I found a clip of him and Anderson talking back and forth. I still find it strange that none of the Normandy crew members ever seem to acknowledge him. It only seems to be Anderson and Shepard that interact with him.

Just finished the Derelict Reaper mission in ME2. On one of the logs there's 2 indoctrinated cerberus operatives discussing the fact that they have some of the same memories. Is it possible that Shepard and Anderson are the only ones who are seem to react to anything Coates does because they are both indoctrinated and are the only ones that he actually appears to?

I've been watching the walkthrough video's of the Priority: Earth and I'm starting to think this could be the case. I would be interested to see what others think after watching some of those scenes again.

[NeoDobby]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Can't wait for 2008! That's when synthpop replaced hip-hop!

Anyway, I only just saw the cubemap thing. I AM CONVINCED.

Can someone explain to me a touch why the cube map is such an important piece of evidence? Or is that sarcasm that i failed to pick up on?

I don't have a picture, but there are some cubemaps that showed that at some point they meant to put up trees in the Catalyst scene which would have made that scene a lot more surreal. They took out the cubemap in the game, but left the maps in the software and didn't delete the reflection of the map in the floor. Whoever has a picture, can you throw it up on here for Domanese?

Actually, cube maps are ONLY for reflection. The normal visuals are still normally rendered. So either they really planned trees there and forgot to take out the reflections as you say (surreality shoved in your face) or there were actually supposed to be just the reflections - for subtle surreality, which I think is far more likely.

[paxxton]

NeoDobby wrote...

paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey, is it at all possible to catch Tali when she jumps off the cliff?

Does she jump when you kill the quarians? Haven't played that choice.

PS: As we're comparing age, im 1986.

Sorry for the spoiler.

No problem. I guessed one always dies. Mordin or Wrex when curing or not curing the genophage, Tali or Legion with the Quarian/Geth - and sometimes both. Hmm - is there a choice where non of them dies?

I think there is but I was unable to save both species.

When you unite Quarian and Geth, Legion dies - and I guess he dies too when you destroy the Geth.

Actually, I chose the Quarians over the Geth on a clean playthrough and Legion did something that really shocked me. He tried to kill Shepard! And then those 3 interrupts. Seeing this was...disturbing.  

[balance5050]

Domanese wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Can't wait for 2008! That's when synthpop replaced hip-hop!

Anyway, I only just saw the cubemap thing. I AM CONVINCED.

Can someone explain to me a touch why the cube map is such an important piece of evidence? Or is that sarcasm that i failed to pick up on?

Here you go.



http://i.imgur.com/RIIzj.jpg 



http://img72.imagesh...5148/treees.png   

[spotlessvoid]

@Arian

Oh I guess I might have misunderstood your second to last line when I first read it. Heavily reconsider the "schedule."

[TheConstantOne]

TheConstantOne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, this thing about making a human Reaper on the citadel - we have just about zero reason to think that, save a brief thought by Shepard. You'd think they'd at least confirm or deny it, even in an offhand manner. Apart from that we're not really given any reason for the conduit :S

I'm of the opinion that there is something in London (what are the odds the story twist is "the protheans DID find the catalyst but were too weak to use it so they hid it on Earth. Under what is now london. or something like that ) and that the Conduit thing is a trap/misdirect.

I mean, they've already set up facilities on Earth to make dreadnoughts. Beaming people up to the citadel for processing seems insanely inefficient, apart from being just plain weird.

This is a good thought: that the Protheans buried something beneath London ages ago.  Perhaps a crucial Crucible component.

About the whole transporting people to the Crucible...I've had a thought about that.  Consider what we know before the indoc scene with the Illusive Man and Anderson.  Hackett has no freaking clue as to what the device will do but TIM is hellbent on the idea that it can control the Reapers.  What if what he is not only correct but his idea isn't forceful enough?  What if it has the potential to control or rather *pacify* life that it gets attuned to?  James said the the Citadel feels too peaceful and, indeed, throughout the series the Citadel is always very slow to move to conflict There are other possible explanations for this, of course, but what if this calm was generated by the Citadel and the Crucible acts like a signal amplifier?

This would mean that the Reapers were waiting for us to build the Crucible and moved it to Earth once were ready so that they could load humans into the station and align the device with our DNA?  They could instantly indoctrinate/pacify the entire human race.  Their forces could destroy the allied fleet...the Reapers know this.  And with humans all uniformly indoctrinated...they have more than enough supplies to create their human Reaper(s) and send out double agents.

I had a thought like this when I created a literalist theory to satisfy myself should Bioware stick to things at face value. But this...I think this is really compelling.  What do you all think?

I'm reposting this to hope it gets noticed haha

[BatmanTurian]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

yeah I get your joke now. I honestly thought that you thought I was making some political statement lol. I guess I should keep that picture in the bottom of the bin.

Please do. The constant swooning of the press over him has caused me to develop a third stomach condition... regardless of politics, (which I could go on at length about, but I will resist as this may cause the IT thread to explode), I do so dislike cults of personality.

The very word "Hollywood" gives me a gag reflex.

Sorry, there was no political statement meant. It's just a funny picture IMO. No offence intended. I'm actually right of center on the American Political Spectrum myself.

[DirtyPhoenix]

That was one of the saddest moments in the game, tali my love :'(

[Arian Dynas]

Big Bad wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
*snip*

*cough*

Ya, I agree with that timeline, I'm just wondering if they'lll keep going past the EC. Sure it's a Trilogy, but a new trilogy could be established in the same universe and still have the same character I guess. I'm just hypothesizing.

Honestly, I really hope that Shepard's story does end with M3 like they promised.  I love her character, but I want to see her go out on top instead of fizzling out 4 games from now.  Of course, what we currently have is not exactly Shepard going out on top.

I expect this to be Shepard's last hurrah. After this there is one of three, maybe four things that could happen.

Shepard keeps his mind and is promoted to the Admiral of the First fleet after Hackett becomes leader of the new Parliament and begins reconstruction of Arcturus station.

Shepard dies and a memorial commemorating is victory is planted on Earth. He becomes a legend.

Shepard retires, a man broken by the losses he experienced. 

Shepard fails to break indoctrination, falling to the enemy, with the galaxy following soon after.

Really what I expect to see next is a kind of origins game, only the characters you have to choose from are pre generated with each race available, the focus is on becoming a new spectre and cleaning up the mess of the war, maybe tangoing with TIM as he tries to rebuild Cerberus again.

[BatmanTurian]

TheConstantOne wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, this thing about making a human Reaper on the citadel - we have just about zero reason to think that, save a brief thought by Shepard. You'd think they'd at least confirm or deny it, even in an offhand manner. Apart from that we're not really given any reason for the conduit :S

I'm of the opinion that there is something in London (what are the odds the story twist is "the protheans DID find the catalyst but were too weak to use it so they hid it on Earth. Under what is now london. or something like that ) and that the Conduit thing is a trap/misdirect.

I mean, they've already set up facilities on Earth to make dreadnoughts. Beaming people up to the citadel for processing seems insanely inefficient, apart from being just plain weird.

This is a good thought: that the Protheans buried something beneath London ages ago.  Perhaps a crucial Crucible component.

About the whole transporting people to the Crucible...I've had a thought about that.  Consider what we know before the indoc scene with the Illusive Man and Anderson.  Hackett has no freaking clue as to what the device will do but TIM is hellbent on the idea that it can control the Reapers.  What if what he is not only correct but his idea isn't forceful enough?  What if it has the potential to control or rather *pacify* life that it gets attuned to?  James said the the Citadel feels too peaceful and, indeed, throughout the series the Citadel is always very slow to move to conflict There are other possible explanations for this, of course, but what if this calm was generated by the Citadel and the Crucible acts like a signal amplifier?

This would mean that the Reapers were waiting for us to build the Crucible and moved it to Earth once were ready so that they could load humans into the station and align the device with our DNA?  They could instantly indoctrinate/pacify the entire human race.  Their forces could destroy the allied fleet...the Reapers know this.  And with humans all uniformly indoctrinated...they have more than enough supplies to create their human Reaper(s) and send out double agents.

I had a thought like this when I created a literalist theory to satisfy myself should Bioware stick to things at face value. But this...I think this is really compelling.  What do you all think?

I'm reposting this to hope it gets noticed haha

OMG that theory isn't bad from a literalist perspective... hmm...

[Xavendithas]

TheConstantOne wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, this thing about making a human Reaper on the citadel - we have just about zero reason to think that, save a brief thought by Shepard. You'd think they'd at least confirm or deny it, even in an offhand manner. Apart from that we're not really given any reason for the conduit :S

I'm of the opinion that there is something in London (what are the odds the story twist is "the protheans DID find the catalyst but were too weak to use it so they hid it on Earth. Under what is now london. or something like that ) and that the Conduit thing is a trap/misdirect.

I mean, they've already set up facilities on Earth to make dreadnoughts. Beaming people up to the citadel for processing seems insanely inefficient, apart from being just plain weird.

This is a good thought: that the Protheans buried something beneath London ages ago.  Perhaps a crucial Crucible component.

About the whole transporting people to the Crucible...I've had a thought about that.  Consider what we know before the indoc scene with the Illusive Man and Anderson.  Hackett has no freaking clue as to what the device will do but TIM is hellbent on the idea that it can control the Reapers.  What if what he is not only correct but his idea isn't forceful enough?  What if it has the potential to control or rather *pacify* life that it gets attuned to?  James said the the Citadel feels too peaceful and, indeed, throughout the series the Citadel is always very slow to move to conflict There are other possible explanations for this, of course, but what if this calm was generated by the Citadel and the Crucible acts like a signal amplifier?

This would mean that the Reapers were waiting for us to build the Crucible and moved it to Earth once were ready so that they could load humans into the station and align the device with our DNA?  They could instantly indoctrinate/pacify the entire human race.  Their forces could destroy the allied fleet...the Reapers know this.  And with humans all uniformly indoctrinated...they have more than enough supplies to create their human Reaper(s) and send out double agents.

I had a thought like this when I created a literalist theory to satisfy myself should Bioware stick to things at face value. But this...I think this is really compelling.  What do you all think?

I'm reposting this to hope it gets noticed haha

I like where you're going with it. I thought it was rather KOTOR2ish the way they made you think whatever was happening in London was such a big deal, then let it fizzle out into nothing.

[Big Bad]

About the trees. . .it's probably just my eyes, but I simply cannot distinguish the reflections well enough to feel confident that I'm not succumbing to confirmation bias.

[BatmanTurian]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
*snip*

*cough*

Ya, I agree with that timeline, I'm just wondering if they'lll keep going past the EC. Sure it's a Trilogy, but a new trilogy could be established in the same universe and still have the same character I guess. I'm just hypothesizing.

Honestly, I really hope that Shepard's story does end with M3 like they promised.  I love her character, but I want to see her go out on top instead of fizzling out 4 games from now.  Of course, what we currently have is not exactly Shepard going out on top.

I expect this to be Shepard's last hurrah. After this there is one of three, maybe four things that could happen.

Shepard keeps his mind and is promoted to the Admiral of the First fleet after Hackett becomes leader of the new Parliament and begins reconstruction of Arcturus station.

Shepard dies and a memorial commemorating is victory is planted on Earth. He becomes a legend.

Shepard retires, a man broken by the losses he experienced. 

Shepard fails to break indoctrination, falling to the enemy, with the galaxy following soon after.

Really what I expect to see next is a kind of origins game, only the characters you have to choose from are pre generated with each race available, the focus is on becoming a new spectre and cleaning up the mess of the war, maybe tangoing with TIM as he tries to rebuild Cerberus again.

I love that idea. Why aren't you working for Bioware,?

[Simon_Says]

Mass Effect 2 was released this year.

[BatmanTurian]

Big Bad wrote...

About the trees. . .it's probably just my eyes, but I simply cannot distinguish the reflections well enough to feel confident that I'm not succumbing to confirmation bias.

I admit they are hard to see, but I can confirm that the shapes of the trees and the reflections are very similar. If that means anything to you.

[TheConstantOne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, this thing about making a human Reaper on the citadel - we have just about zero reason to think that, save a brief thought by Shepard. You'd think they'd at least confirm or deny it, even in an offhand manner. Apart from that we're not really given any reason for the conduit :S

I'm of the opinion that there is something in London (what are the odds the story twist is "the protheans DID find the catalyst but were too weak to use it so they hid it on Earth. Under what is now london. or something like that ) and that the Conduit thing is a trap/misdirect.

I mean, they've already set up facilities on Earth to make dreadnoughts. Beaming people up to the citadel for processing seems insanely inefficient, apart from being just plain weird.

This is a good thought: that the Protheans buried something beneath London ages ago.  Perhaps a crucial Crucible component.

About the whole transporting people to the Crucible...I've had a thought about that.  Consider what we know before the indoc scene with the Illusive Man and Anderson.  Hackett has no freaking clue as to what the device will do but TIM is hellbent on the idea that it can control the Reapers.  What if what he is not only correct but his idea isn't forceful enough?  What if it has the potential to control or rather *pacify* life that it gets attuned to?  James said the the Citadel feels too peaceful and, indeed, throughout the series the Citadel is always very slow to move to conflict There are other possible explanations for this, of course, but what if this calm was generated by the Citadel and the Crucible acts like a signal amplifier?

This would mean that the Reapers were waiting for us to build the Crucible and moved it to Earth once were ready so that they could load humans into the station and align the device with our DNA?  They could instantly indoctrinate/pacify the entire human race.  Their forces could destroy the allied fleet...the Reapers know this.  And with humans all uniformly indoctrinated...they have more than enough supplies to create their human Reaper(s) and send out double agents.

I had a thought like this when I created a literalist theory to satisfy myself should Bioware stick to things at face value. But this...I think this is really compelling.  What do you all think?

I'm reposting this to hope it gets noticed haha

OMG that theory isn't bad from a literalist perspective... hmm...

Indeed. It also works with Indoc though.  As in, the Crucible might be trying to mislead Shepard and it is Reaper Bieber, like it said....

Wait...did I just manage to pull a synthesis option for IT and literalism?!?

[Arashi08]

Hmm...

This will likely turn out to be wrong, since I'm sure ppl would've noticed this by now but right when Shepard wakes up you can hear Coates on the radio right? I could swear the first Marine you see crawling toward you when you first get up and start limping to the beam looks almost exactly like Coates.

I am most likely wrong but I'll play that segment again *shudders* and see if the resemblance is close or not. on a sidenote. it's also funny how he seems to be the only UK marine not wearing a beret. Even the second dying marine you see on the way tot he mean manages to keep his beret on as he's dying ( I think, need to check that again too lol.)

Modifié par Arashi08, 04 mai 2012 - 01:57 .

[Big Bad]

pirate1802 wrote...

That was one of the saddest moments in the game, tali my love :'(

When she fell off that cliff, I literally gasped in horror and immediately reloaded my last save.  I like the Geth, but c'mon it's Tali!

From now on, I'm never doing a playthrough where I can't make peace b/t the quarians and geth.

[balance5050]

Big Bad wrote...

About the trees. . .it's probably just my eyes, but I simply cannot distinguish the reflections well enough to feel confident that I'm not succumbing to confirmation bias.

Look at it in hi res, they are there for sure. These seems to be the only cubemap for the catalyst chamber anyway, there isn't even one "without" the trees I believe.

[BatmanTurian]

NeoDobby wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Can't wait for 2008! That's when synthpop replaced hip-hop!

Anyway, I only just saw the cubemap thing. I AM CONVINCED.

Can someone explain to me a touch why the cube map is such an important piece of evidence? Or is that sarcasm that i failed to pick up on?

I don't have a picture, but there are some cubemaps that showed that at some point they meant to put up trees in the Catalyst scene which would have made that scene a lot more surreal. They took out the cubemap in the game, but left the maps in the software and didn't delete the reflection of the map in the floor. Whoever has a picture, can you throw it up on here for Domanese?

Actually, cube maps are ONLY for reflection. The normal visuals are still normally rendered. So either they really planned trees there and forgot to take out the reflections as you say (surreality shoved in your face) or there were actually supposed to be just the reflections - for subtle surreality, which I think is far more likely.

well, yeah i meant something else but you got my meaning.

[paxxton]

pirate1802 wrote...

That was one of the saddest moments in the game, tali my love :'(

Agreed. I was like what the hell just happened. Noooooo!!!
It's sad but war always takes its toll.
I know some people were reloading saves after seeing this.
I chose to live by the consequences and continued the game. Unfortunately, I didn't see many Geth in London.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 mai 2012 - 01:59 .

[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

That was one of the saddest moments in the game, tali my love :'(

Agreed. I was like what the hell just happened. Noooooo!!!
It's sad but war always takes its toll.
I know some people were reloading saves after seeing this.
I chose to live by the consequences and continued the game. Unfortunately, I didn't see many Geth in London.

Didn't you at least hear that sweet Geth Prime speech though?

[Big Bad]

balance5050 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

About the trees. . .it's probably just my eyes, but I simply cannot distinguish the reflections well enough to feel confident that I'm not succumbing to confirmation bias.

Look at it in hi res, they are there for sure. These seems to be the only cubemap for the catalyst chamber anyway, there isn't even one "without" the trees I believe.

Aha!  That helped a lot.  I can definitely see at least a couple of the reflections, and they are unmistakebly "leafy."  Thanks!

Modifié par Big Bad, 04 mai 2012 - 02:01 .

[TheConstantOne]

Xavendithas wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, this thing about making a human Reaper on the citadel - we have just about zero reason to think that, save a brief thought by Shepard. You'd think they'd at least confirm or deny it, even in an offhand manner. Apart from that we're not really given any reason for the conduit :S

I'm of the opinion that there is something in London (what are the odds the story twist is "the protheans DID find the catalyst but were too weak to use it so they hid it on Earth. Under what is now london. or something like that ) and that the Conduit thing is a trap/misdirect.

I mean, they've already set up facilities on Earth to make dreadnoughts. Beaming people up to the citadel for processing seems insanely inefficient, apart from being just plain weird.

This is a good thought: that the Protheans buried something beneath London ages ago.  Perhaps a crucial Crucible component.

About the whole transporting people to the Crucible...I've had a thought about that.  Consider what we know before the indoc scene with the Illusive Man and Anderson.  Hackett has no freaking clue as to what the device will do but TIM is hellbent on the idea that it can control the Reapers.  What if what he is not only correct but his idea isn't forceful enough?  What if it has the potential to control or rather *pacify* life that it gets attuned to?  James said the the Citadel feels too peaceful and, indeed, throughout the series the Citadel is always very slow to move to conflict There are other possible explanations for this, of course, but what if this calm was generated by the Citadel and the Crucible acts like a signal amplifier?

This would mean that the Reapers were waiting for us to build the Crucible and moved it to Earth once were ready so that they could load humans into the station and align the device with our DNA?  They could instantly indoctrinate/pacify the entire human race.  Their forces could destroy the allied fleet...the Reapers know this.  And with humans all uniformly indoctrinated...they have more than enough supplies to create their human Reaper(s) and send out double agents.

I had a thought like this when I created a literalist theory to satisfy myself should Bioware stick to things at face value. But this...I think this is really compelling.  What do you all think?

I'm reposting this to hope it gets noticed haha

I like where you're going with it. I thought it was rather KOTOR2ish the way they made you think whatever was happening in London was such a big deal, then let it fizzle out into nothing.

There definitely seems to be something up with what they're doing in London.  Of course, it could have been a way for them to lure Anderson there.  Capture humanity's best heroes in a single location and make it easier to process them in the Crucible

[BatmanTurian]

Big Bad wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

That was one of the saddest moments in the game, tali my love :'(

When she fell off that cliff, I literally gasped in horror and immediately reloaded my last save.  I like the Geth, but c'mon it's Tali!

From now on, I'm never doing a playthrough where I can't make peace b/t the quarians and geth.

I guess I got lucky. I got them to end the war on my first play through by patiently and carefully thinking through each decision I was making. Losing Legion was painful though. He/It's my second-favorite character next to Garrus. If they had killed off Garrus without the player being able to control it like they did with Mordin, Morinth, and Legion, I think I might have threw down my controller, turned off the game, and took it back to the store. Same for Liara.