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paxxton

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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

That was one of the saddest moments in the game, tali my love :'(


Agreed. I was like what the hell just happened. Noooooo!!!
It's sad but war always takes its toll.
I know some people were reloading saves after seeing this.
I chose to live by the consequences and continued the game. Unfortunately, I didn't see many Geth in London. Posted Image


Didn't you at least hear that sweet Geth Prime speech though?


Sigh. One-platform Geth army.

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NeoDobby

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*looks at clock*

*gasp* 4am!

*looks over at bed*

This is it, everyone - 10 seconds to contact.

Good night!

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NeoDobby wrote...

*looks at clock*

*gasp* 4am!

*looks over at bed*

This is it, everyone - 10 seconds to contact.

Good night!


Yup. This thread is highly addictive.

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Auralius Carolus

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paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

*looks at clock*

*gasp* 4am!

*looks over at bed*

This is it, everyone - 10 seconds to contact.

Good night!


Yup. This thread is highly addictive.


I've pulled some 4 AMers before on this thread- did last night. And I had work in the morning... Posted Image

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balance5050

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

*looks at clock*

*gasp* 4am!

*looks over at bed*

This is it, everyone - 10 seconds to contact.

Good night!


Yup. This thread is highly addictive.


I've pulled some 4 AMers before on this thread- did last night. And I had work in the morning... Posted Image


I'm on this thread more than I game now, sad but true.

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balance5050 wrote...



I'm on this thread more than I game now, sad but true.


I dont think its sad at all. This speculation is somewhat of a meta-game in and of itself. :lol:

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HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...



I'm on this thread more than I game now, sad but true.


I dont think its sad at all. This speculation is somewhat of a meta-game in and of itself. :lol:


True, I guess I still am gaming in a sense.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

*looks at clock*

*gasp* 4am!

*looks over at bed*

This is it, everyone - 10 seconds to contact.

Good night!


Yup. This thread is highly addictive.


I've pulled some 4 AMers before on this thread- did last night. And I had work in the morning... Posted Image


Ditto. "Dedicated fanbase"
Never mind the billions lost in productivity due to the bsn since me3 launched

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Ok I've been watching the priority: Earth gameplay and I have to say that there isn't anything suspicious about Coats...To me he just seems like a guy who lost alot of friends waiting for Shepard to get there

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Okay, I have only finished one play through of the game so my memory is a little fuzzy. I have been watching clips here and there in connection to the theory about Coates but, at any point does any of the other characters actually acknowledge his presence? In all the clips I've watched there is not one character that responds to anything Coates says.

If I'm not mistaken, Anderson is the one to introduce you to him.


I'm trying to find a video of some of those sequences but, seriously in every video I have watched no one acknowledges him. They don't even look in his direction while he is talking.


If you're right, then Coates exists only in Shepherd's head, which might start blurring the line when the hallucination begins...


I found a clip of him and Anderson talking back and forth. I still find it strange that none of the Normandy crew members ever seem to acknowledge him. It only seems to be Anderson and Shepard that interact with him.


It might be an oversight, or it might be intended. Maybe your crewmates feel awkward talking to a Human from Earth they don't know? The way Coates acts, he would make me feel awkward too. He's kind of a do*che and a buzzkill.


I've managed to skim through the bulk of the Priority:Earth mission on youtube. At no point during the entire sequence does a squad member look at or even seem to hear Coates speak when he is with you. There are the brief one sentence interactions you hear with him over the comlinks. Even the scene when he gets off the shuttle with you and Anderson is a little fishy. You don't see him step off the shuttle with the rest of the squad, and when the camera pans back around he is standing 15-20 feet off to your left. He then waits until Shepard dismisses the squad before coming over to talk to you.

I may be grasping at straws here but I'm seriously starting to reconsider if anyone but Shepard and Anderson can even see him.

My tinfoil hat might be a little too tight.

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balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...



I'm on this thread more than I game now, sad but true.


I dont think its sad at all. This speculation is somewhat of a meta-game in and of itself. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]


True, I guess I still am gaming in a sense.




Never feel bad about things you had fun while doing it.

Okay, that's not really fair, because I have most fridays off.


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spotlessvoid wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

*looks at clock*

*gasp* 4am!

*looks over at bed*

This is it, everyone - 10 seconds to contact.

Good night!


Yup. This thread is highly addictive.


I've pulled some 4 AMers before on this thread- did last night. And I had work in the morning... Posted Image


Ditto. "Dedicated fanbase"
Never mind the billions lost in productivity due to the bsn since me3 launched


This is so true.

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BatmanTurian

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Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Okay, I have only finished one play through of the game so my memory is a little fuzzy. I have been watching clips here and there in connection to the theory about Coates but, at any point does any of the other characters actually acknowledge his presence? In all the clips I've watched there is not one character that responds to anything Coates says.

If I'm not mistaken, Anderson is the one to introduce you to him.


I'm trying to find a video of some of those sequences but, seriously in every video I have watched no one acknowledges him. They don't even look in his direction while he is talking.


If you're right, then Coates exists only in Shepherd's head, which might start blurring the line when the hallucination begins...


I found a clip of him and Anderson talking back and forth. I still find it strange that none of the Normandy crew members ever seem to acknowledge him. It only seems to be Anderson and Shepard that interact with him.


It might be an oversight, or it might be intended. Maybe your crewmates feel awkward talking to a Human from Earth they don't know? The way Coates acts, he would make me feel awkward too. He's kind of a do*che and a buzzkill.


I've managed to skim through the bulk of the Priority:Earth mission on youtube. At no point during the entire sequence does a squad member look at or even seem to hear Coates speak when he is with you. There are the brief one sentence interactions you hear with him over the comlinks. Even the scene when he gets off the shuttle with you and Anderson is a little fishy. You don't see him step off the shuttle with the rest of the squad, and when the camera pans back around he is standing 15-20 feet off to your left. He then waits until Shepard dismisses the squad before coming over to talk to you.

I may be grasping at straws here but I'm seriously starting to reconsider if anyone but Shepard and Anderson can even see him.

My tinfoil hat might be a little too tight.


I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you're right, then it's kind of a big deal. It's Starkid all over again. Except maybe Anderson is hallucinating him too. But if you and Anderson are hallucinating Coates, why doesn't one of your subordinates relieve the both of you from command for PTSD or mental deterioration?

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Doesn't Coates shoot a few cannibals as you enter the shuttle though?

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Arashi08 wrote...

Doesn't Coates shoot a few cannibals as you enter the shuttle though?


Doesn't mean anything. If he was helping your squadmates up, then I'd agree with where you're going with this.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 mai 2012 - 02:31 .


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I missed page 2k? Damn, well grats all, here's to many ups and downs but staying on track for mostly 2000+ pages *cheers*

@Hellishfiend
Talked to my friend about his ending again, going to work on getting screenshots over the weekend after raising his readiness %

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Still working on the video, more on this later.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Doesn't Coates shoot a few cannibals as you enter the shuttle though?


Doesn't mean anything. If he was helping your squadmates up, then I'd agree with where you're going with this.


He looks like a zombie from The Living Dead series. Posted Image Therefore he must be dead and indoctrinated. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 04 mai 2012 - 02:37 .


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Anderson and Shepard simultaneously hallucinating Coates seems crazy to me.

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Xavendithas

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Okay, I have only finished one play through of the game so my memory is a little fuzzy. I have been watching clips here and there in connection to the theory about Coates but, at any point does any of the other characters actually acknowledge his presence? In all the clips I've watched there is not one character that responds to anything Coates says.

If I'm not mistaken, Anderson is the one to introduce you to him.


I'm trying to find a video of some of those sequences but, seriously in every video I have watched no one acknowledges him. They don't even look in his direction while he is talking.


If you're right, then Coates exists only in Shepherd's head, which might start blurring the line when the hallucination begins...


I found a clip of him and Anderson talking back and forth. I still find it strange that none of the Normandy crew members ever seem to acknowledge him. It only seems to be Anderson and Shepard that interact with him.


It might be an oversight, or it might be intended. Maybe your crewmates feel awkward talking to a Human from Earth they don't know? The way Coates acts, he would make me feel awkward too. He's kind of a do*che and a buzzkill.


I've managed to skim through the bulk of the Priority:Earth mission on youtube. At no point during the entire sequence does a squad member look at or even seem to hear Coates speak when he is with you. There are the brief one sentence interactions you hear with him over the comlinks. Even the scene when he gets off the shuttle with you and Anderson is a little fishy. You don't see him step off the shuttle with the rest of the squad, and when the camera pans back around he is standing 15-20 feet off to your left. He then waits until Shepard dismisses the squad before coming over to talk to you.

I may be grasping at straws here but I'm seriously starting to reconsider if anyone but Shepard and Anderson can even see him.

My tinfoil hat might be a little too tight.


I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you're right, then it's kind of a big deal. It's Starkid all over again. Except maybe Anderson is hallucinating him too. But if you and Anderson are hallucinating Coates, why doesn't one of your subordinates relieve the both of you from command for PTSD or mental deterioration?


Heh, yeah. I was kind of thinking the same thing. The scene before your final speech where Coates and Anderson are talking about strategy is enough to debunk it. It's probably nothing but watching the whole end sequence with this in mind sure raised a few questions for me. :)

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My internet died and I missed page 2000?!

Comcast, I am disappoint.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Anderson and Shepard simultaneously hallucinating Coates seems crazy to me.


Is it? Sounds like Indoctrination to me. Two Cerberus researchers on the Derelict Reaper started confusing each other's memories. It's not a big leap to imagine two of the main leaders being indoctrinated by the Reapers. If Coates is an advising hallucination for Anderson, then the Reapers guide and control him and then if they link that hallucination with Shepard's mind, then Shepard will not notice anything is up and will be guided to his doom by the Coates ghost. No, sounds like typical psychological warfare by Reapers.

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byne wrote...

My internet died and I missed page 2000?!

Comcast, I am disappoint.


I have nothing good to say about Comcast.
Fortunately, Lex0r ushered in the new millennium in style during your absence

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spotlessvoid wrote...

byne wrote...

My internet died and I missed page 2000?!

Comcast, I am disappoint.


I have nothing good to say about Comcast.
Fortunately, Lex0r ushered in the new millennium in style during your absence


I'm starting to think lex0r might be a wizard of some sort. He got first post on page 1000 AND 2000.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Anderson and Shepard simultaneously hallucinating Coates seems crazy to me.


Is it? Sounds like Indoctrination to me. Two Cerberus researchers on the Derelict Reaper started confusing each other's memories. It's not a big leap to imagine two of the main leaders being indoctrinated by the Reapers. If Coates is an advising hallucination for Anderson, then the Reapers guide and control him and then if they link that hallucination with Shepard's mind, then Shepard will not notice anything is up and will be guided to his doom by the Coates ghost. No, sounds like typical psychological warfare by Reapers.


But doesn't Coates also give orders to the other troops? I'd be interested if this were true, but I distinctly remember him telling the other squad what to do.

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The Savage Nymph wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Anderson and Shepard simultaneously hallucinating Coates seems crazy to me.


Is it? Sounds like Indoctrination to me. Two Cerberus researchers on the Derelict Reaper started confusing each other's memories. It's not a big leap to imagine two of the main leaders being indoctrinated by the Reapers. If Coates is an advising hallucination for Anderson, then the Reapers guide and control him and then if they link that hallucination with Shepard's mind, then Shepard will not notice anything is up and will be guided to his doom by the Coates ghost. No, sounds like typical psychological warfare by Reapers.


But doesn't Coates also give orders to the other troops? I'd be interested if this were true, but I distinctly remember him telling the other squad what to do.

I'm just entertaining the notion. I didn't say it didn't have holes. But I agree that there is more to him than face value.