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[balance5050]

plfranke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I don't know, what if you destroyed the collector base and have a terrible ems. Then you have no choice but to destroy him. It doesn't really matter at that point whether you trust him or not.

And at that point it really wouldn't matter if you trust him, your ems is so low that he doesn't have a reason to convince you to throw yourself into a lazer.

That was my point. If the living trees aren't a symbol of a chance to save the kid why are they there. Now if they're only in a specific part, like near the control panel or near the synthesis beam that changes everything. Because, in theory, if you don't have those options you shouldn't go over there and would therefore not have any reason to see them. Where exactly are the living trees?

Ok, so the trees actually do become more apparent when the platforms are raised, and become MOST apparent when synthesis is an option. So the trees do show up more when there is more reason to convince you.




http://i.imgur.com/RIIzj.jpg  

Modifié par balance5050, 04 mai 2012 - 07:32 .

[balance5050]

Domanese wrote...

Is it just me or is the arrival ending showing the same damn hue as the times when you fade to white from your dreams? At 1:05 I think I see a match.

http://www.youtube.c...tgUk_AEC0#t=61s

Similar, but it goes so fast that it's hard to tell.

[plfranke]

balance5050 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I don't know, what if you destroyed the collector base and have a terrible ems. Then you have no choice but to destroy him. It doesn't really matter at that point whether you trust him or not.

And at that point it really wouldn't matter if you trust him, your ems is so low that he doesn't have a reason to convince you to throw yourself into a lazer.

That was my point. If the living trees aren't a symbol of a chance to save the kid why are they there. Now if they're only in a specific part, like near the control panel or near the synthesis beam that changes everything. Because, in theory, if you don't have those options you shouldn't go over there and would therefore not have any reason to see them. Where exactly are the living trees?

Ok, so the trees actually do become more apparent when the platforms are raised, and become MOST apparent when synthesis is an option. So the trees do show up more when there is more reason to convince you.




http://i.imgur.com/RIIzj.jpg  

so I would probably say they symbolize the illusion of "choice and hope" that the Catalyst is giving you, but they're certainly not there by accident.

[balance5050]

plfranke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I don't know, what if you destroyed the collector base and have a terrible ems. Then you have no choice but to destroy him. It doesn't really matter at that point whether you trust him or not.

And at that point it really wouldn't matter if you trust him, your ems is so low that he doesn't have a reason to convince you to throw yourself into a lazer.

That was my point. If the living trees aren't a symbol of a chance to save the kid why are they there. Now if they're only in a specific part, like near the control panel or near the synthesis beam that changes everything. Because, in theory, if you don't have those options you shouldn't go over there and would therefore not have any reason to see them. Where exactly are the living trees?

Ok, so the trees actually do become more apparent when the platforms are raised, and become MOST apparent when synthesis is an option. So the trees do show up more when there is more reason to convince you.

*snip*


http://i.imgur.com/RIIzj.jpg  

so I would probably say they symbolize the illusion of "choice and hope" that the Catalyst is giving you, but they're certainly not there by accident.

Sounds good to me, I don't think it's an accident either, multiple different cubemaps ALL with trees? Can't be an accident.

[Arian Dynas]

pirate1802 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Salient Archer
Yes, if your Shepard doesn't do the Arrival mission, Hackett sends in a team of Alliance Commandos. They all die but succeed in launching the asteroid.

So yeah, basically the default Shepard is a douche who refused to help out both Hackett and Liara, got a bunch of people killed, didn't bother trying to achive the loyalty of anyone in his squad, and cowardly refused to save the Citadel Council.

Yeah Default ME3 Shepard sucks.

I was playing the default ME3 shepard the other day and I'd have been pissed if he didn't suck. I mean thats the point, those who follow the game since the beginning get more out of it, while those who start at the end are stuck with sucky choices. I enjoyed the deault shep though because i wanted to see the "other" side.

Oh I'm glad he sucks. It's just he's such a loser I figured I'd make fun of him.

Also, when this page reaches 2154. we should do a big ol memorial for the good Commander in honor of his birthday.

[plfranke]

So guys is there any way that the prothean VI is not a valid source of information?

[lex0r11]

Arian Dynas wrote...

[...]

Oh I'm glad he sucks. It's just he's such a loser I figured I'd make fun of him.

Also, when this page reaches 2154. we should do a big ol memorial for the good Commander in honor of his birthday.

Noted.

Gud morning from Europe.

*keeps on muttering 2154*

[MaximizedAction]

Man, one night of sleep, and we're already 7 years in the future?
This thread is so FTL, it causes odd time dilation effects!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 04 mai 2012 - 07:56 .

[lex0r11]

plfranke wrote...

So guys is there any way that the prothean VI is not a valid source of information?

Uhhh, not this Prothean VI shi.. wait a minute, you actually asked a sound question.

I don't even know how to answer that question.. ARIAN, a little help here please.

Modifié par lex0r11, 04 mai 2012 - 07:58 .

[Hawk227]

okay, totally off topic, but have you guys listened to the Blasto 6 easter egg in the Presidium Commons? It's hilarious!

[plfranke]

lex0r11 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So guys is there any way that the prothean VI is not a valid source of information?

Uhhh, not this Prothean VI shi.. wait a minute, you actually asked a sound question.

I don't even know how to answer that question.. ARIAN, a little help here please.

In a previous post I wrote about some problems I found with him but I was pretty disorganized. I argued that Cerberus wasn't indoctrinated based on priority surkesh and sanctuary. He also has a very suspicious line in Cerberus Hq. And what probably raised the most red flags for me is that he doesn't help you until it's too late and he attempts to discourage you from fighting every time you talk to him.

[MaximizedAction]

Hawk227 wrote...

okay, totally off topic, but have you guys listened to the Blasto 6 easter egg in the Presidium Commons? It's hilarious!

This is awesome! How did I never notice it playing in the Presidium? Where exactly do you have to stand for this to hear it?

[DirtyPhoenix]

Hawk227 wrote...

okay, totally off topic, but have you guys listened to the Blasto 6 easter egg in the Presidium Commons? It's hilarious!

Yeah it is epicly hilarious! I ran it twice just to listen Bubin's reaction to Blasto sleeping with his sister xDDD

Modifié par pirate1802, 04 mai 2012 - 08:17 .

[Dendio1]

People you must watch this. It explains so much. It also supports key aspects of indoctrination theory. It uses 100 percent video clips of in game dialogue.





Don't Click This

Modifié par Dendio1, 04 mai 2012 - 08:20 .

[Arian Dynas]

lex0r11 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So guys is there any way that the prothean VI is not a valid source of information?

Uhhh, not this Prothean VI shi.. wait a minute, you actually asked a sound question.

I don't even know how to answer that question.. ARIAN, a little help here please.

Uh what? I have no idea what to tell him, I don't quite understand the question.

Hawk227 wrote...

okay, totally off topic, but have you guys listened to the Blasto 6 easter egg in the Presidium Commons? It's hilarious!

It's about Mass Effect. Ergo, not off topic.

Dendio1 wrote...

People you must watch this. It explains so much. It also supports key aspects of indoctrination theory. It uses 100 percent video clips of in game dialogue. 



Don't Click This[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Huh... to be honest I was fully expecting a rickroll. 

[Peytl]

Current (best) pieces of evidence supporting the IT:
1) The kid  on Earth (may have been real before but is seen running into a house  before it gets blown up and is perfectly fine in the ventilation)
2)  Nobody notices the child in any instance except Shepard (nobody helps him onto the shuttle and Anderson doesn't say anything about who Shepard is talking too
3) Reaper growl heard when Anderson gets shep's attention away from the kid
4) Increasingly weird dreams where you see the "oily shadows" and hear
whispers from the nearly incomprehensible murmurs to the squad mates
5) TIM's post Thessia change of heart ("I'm not looking for your approval" to "I need you to believe"
6) The weird growls when you and Anderson confront TIM
7) The oily black borders in that same scene
8) Waking up after the destroy ending in what appears to be human rubble
9) Cube map featuring unique trees (I personally find this questionable)
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1-3) The kid's poster can be found hanging on the memorial wall on the Citadel.
4) Nightmares of highly stressed person can be hardly considered as a an evidence of IT, they can mean anything. - specculation.
5) I can hardly see any evidence in this.
6-7) It was TIM's doing.
8) The rubbles are Citadel, there is no evidence the cables are on the Earth. Just compare pictures any rebars and the cables.
9) WTH?

I can't see any evidence at all.

Modifié par Peytl, 04 mai 2012 - 08:28 .

[Hawk227]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

okay, totally off topic, but have you guys listened to the Blasto 6 easter egg in the Presidium Commons? It's hilarious!

This is awesome! How did I never notice it playing in the Presidium? Where exactly do you have to stand for this to hear it?

Up by the apartments there is the big wall sized advertisement for the movie and an auto-dialog cue you have to push. It takes about a dozen pushes to make it through. Avina told me about it after saying she had no idea what Purgatory was. Weird.

[Dendio1]

Watch this and gain perspective on what synthesis is
How control works and why destroy has false pretenses

Excellent video, must watch

Indoctrination theory IS partially right. Like any theory it doesnt have to be 100 percent correct and it isnt
BUT it does catch on to the general premise and there IS an indoctrination taking place.

Watch the vid guys

Modifié par Dendio1, 04 mai 2012 - 08:36 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Peytl wrote...
8) Waking up after the destroy ending in what appears to be human rubble

8) The rubbles are Citadel, there is no evidence the cables are on the Earth. Just compare pictures any rebars and the cables.

I can't see any evidence at all.

Just gonna adress this one since I only came here to drop a short comment.

Any way it baffles me how anyone can think it is the Citadel. The rubble is clearly concrete (we even had picture to picture comparisons of the rubble and concrete from london showing this without a shadow of doubt) How much concrete have you seen on the Citadel? Also the rubble beeing the Citadel would mean Shepard survived an explosion more powerful than a supernova since the Citadel is made from quantuim shielded material like the Mass Relays and a Mass Relay was unharmed following a supernova.

But anyway for the what I wanted to say.

Just replayed the scene with javik on the Citadel and during his motivational speech for the races there (if you pull the paragon interupt) he says this "It is time for you to show the Reapers that you are not machines."

Minor, but once again a bit that can be added to the contradictory of Synthesis.

[Dendio1]

Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So guys is there any way that the prothean VI is not a valid source of information?

Uhhh, not this Prothean VI shi.. wait a minute, you actually asked a sound question.

I don't even know how to answer that question.. ARIAN, a little help here please.

Uh what? I have no idea what to tell him, I don't quite understand the question.

Hawk227 wrote...

okay, totally off topic, but have you guys listened to the Blasto 6 easter egg in the Presidium Commons? It's hilarious!

It's about Mass Effect. Ergo, not off topic.

Dendio1 wrote...

People you must watch this. It explains so much. It also supports key aspects of indoctrination theory. It uses 100 percent video clips of in game dialogue. 



Don't Click This[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Huh... to be honest I was fully expecting a rickroll. 

Have a little faith

[Salient Archer]

@Peytl: Here's a post from way back in the 1980s that could maybe make Shepard waking up in the rubble from the citadel a big issue.

-------Re-post------

Thanks Arian, I knew there must have been a few things I had let slip, damn those pesky pressure waves messing up the literalists and their theories.

Which makes me wonder also, if Shepard could withstand the blast of something around ... hmm, I don’t know somewhere between 1,000,000,000 and 5,000,000,000 tons of trinitrotoluene ... than how did he also survive his rather lengthy 380,000 kilometer ( 236,121 miles) trip through space? Considering that even traveling the whole journey at a safe atmospheric reentry speed of 27,358kph (17,000mph) it would still take Shepard 13 hours to reach earth.

This might be a slight issue for someone without a high quality breathing apparatus and pressurized suit and considering trying to breath in a vacuum is impossible and exposure to a vacuum for longer than 10 seconds generally causes the individual to pass out, I don’t see how Shepard will be able to maintain his self propelled space flight.

I’m of course not mentioning the fact that prolonged exposure to a vacuum (anything longer than 10 seconds) normally leads to paralysis, convulsions, some more paralysis and heart murmurs. I definitely haven’t mentioned that after 50 more seconds or so no actual circulation of blood is possible anymore, which is a real bother for anyone who would like to take a deep breath once they’ve magically survived a 388km (240 mile) drop to the ground.

As for what you've said about the collector base; I must admit having someone articulate it the way you have (Ok, you had me at 'anathema') I must say that I now do agree with what you're saying.

Edit: Fixed formatting.

[Salient Archer]

@Peytl: Actually, that's the wrong post, I will hunt down the other one.. sorry.

EDIT: Sorry for the double post

Modifié par Salient Archer, 04 mai 2012 - 08:48 .

[plfranke]

Peytl wrote...

Current (best) pieces of evidence supporting the IT:
1) The kid  on Earth (may have been real before but is seen running into a house  before it gets blown up and is perfectly fine in the ventilation)
2)  Nobody notices the child in any instance except Shepard (nobody helps him onto the shuttle and Anderson doesn't say anything about who Shepard is talking too
3) Reaper growl heard when Anderson gets shep's attention away from the kid
4) Increasingly weird dreams where you see the "oily shadows" and hear
whispers from the nearly incomprehensible murmurs to the squad mates
5) TIM's post Thessia change of heart ("I'm not looking for your approval" to "I need you to believe"
6) The weird growls when you and Anderson confront TIM
7) The oily black borders in that same scene
8) Waking up after the destroy ending in what appears to be human rubble
9) Cube map featuring unique trees (I personally find this questionable)
----------
1-3) The kid's poster can be found hanging on the memorial wall on the Citadel.
4) Nightmares of highly stressed person can be hardly considered as a an evidence of IT, they can mean anything. - specculation.
5) I can hardly see any evidence in this.
6-7) It was TIM's doing.
8) The rubbles are Citadel, there is no evidence the cables are on the Earth. Just compare pictures any rebars and the cables.
9) WTH?

I can't see any evidence at all.

1-3) You missed several things with the kid, like the warning signs next to him, the scream that is heard over all the other passengers through an air tight ship, etc... The poster means nothing. If the Reapers could conjure up a hallucination of a kid I hardly think it's out of the question for them to make up a poster to go along with it.
4)Shepard has had no nightmares of any other squadmates dying, most notably who ever you left behind at Virmire. That loss should have been significantly more dramatic than the kid.
5) I always personally felt like TIM was interested in convincing you, seeing as he also tells you on Mars, "Don't interfere with my plans, I won't warn you again". Yet he's always talking to you and says he doesn't consider you a total loss yet  at the Cerberus base in a log. To me it's not so much TIM's attitude, but how he got there in the first place. I swear I waited in that corridor for like 10 minutes and never saw him yet the second I go into the room with Anderson, there he comes up from behind me.
6-7) Never before has anyone had the ability to control another human being, how did he even do it. Even if Shepard had implants which somehow allowed TIM to control him, what about Anderson? And if TIM really is in control, so much that he can make you hallucinate growls and oily black shadows, why can you shoot him?
8) LOTS OF SPECULATION!
9 I don't think it's even necessary for IT but it is just one of those things that took conscious effort to be put in, and it in no way belongs in the scene. Only solution is that they did it to make it seem wierd.
You also didn't mention  Shepard's wound that only starts bleeding after he's shot Anderson, the dream trees on the charge to the conduit, how Anderson gets to the control panel before you, the gun with unlimited ammo, why Harbinger flies away, allowing you to get to the beam, or why there would even be a beam to transport you right to the main control panel of the citadel to begin with

[InnerTurmoil]

Just to pop in again, but has anyone else noticed that when you are
talking to the kid in the vents, the music that plays is from the theme
used in the ending "An End Once and for All". 
The only way that this particular music is used is if the kid was to be
used in the ending.  There is no way that the reapers would know of the
kid's affect on Shepard unless the Reapers instigated it.  The music
would not foreshadow the ending for an ordinary child that the Reapers
would not know even existed.  If the Reapers were not manipulating
Shepard's mind and the Catalyst used the kids image only as a means to
be better accepted by Shepard, the Catalyst would have found out about
the kid at the end of the game.  This means that the kid would not have
been planned by the Reapers to be used in the ending but rather a
slap-dash attempt by the Catalyst to disguise itself.  This cannot be
since the music playing during the vent scene clearly forshadows the
ending.  The Catalyst (AKA Reapers) knew of the Child the whole time and
the only way for the Reapers to know of the Child at the same time as
and in fact before Shepard (since the music plays
before the Child can have a meaningful emotional impact on Shepard) is
if the Reapers were the ones who planted it.

P.S  The variant on the ending song used for the vent scene is, in my opinion, the best song in the game. So sad.

[Salient Archer]

@Peytl: Sorry, Couldn’t find it yet... So I would like to add that considering that scenario I mentioned before where Shepard would reach earth (through self propelled means) is practically impossible the only plausible answer would be that Shepard is waking up in the remains of the citadel, which is completely believable except for the fact that it just exploded into smithereens and that his lungs would now be full of vacuum (if he still had lungs after being almost dematerialized by a gigaton explosion)

Oh wait, unless, maybe, just maybe he never actually left earth...