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[BlackDragonBane]

Vyrii wrote...

With all the uproar about the endings getting worse and worse I can only imagine that Bioware will last a few more days before an official announcement will be made.

Either that or someone is going to become very angry and hack something they're not supposed to, scream "THIS IS FOR LEGION!!!" and then post the information under the alias "Shadow_Broker" give it to us and call it a day.

Not that I'm SUGGESTING anything...

EDIT: not to MENTION that the site keeps going down!!!! Traffic!

I actually giggled and if I had any skill at hacking, I would totally do that.

[cerberus1701]

lavosslayer wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

MaroonMoore93 wrote...

More news from the Twitter front!

Zach Naizer -
@masseffect Any idea when the debree on earth around the n7 armor is going to be removed?

Mass Effect-
@alaggyhost We have no ETA at this time

I am going to cry.

We were seriously RIGHT, guys. I know it. In my heart.

I don't care, now. You guys can flame me. But I've been with this thread since day one. I wrote one of the first major treatises on the Player Indoctrination Theory.

I know we are right.

you and me both and I totally agree!

Can someone give me the Cliff notes on this theory?

Everything after the beam is hallucination?

[Auresta]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Auresta wrote...

SorrowAndJoy7 wrote...

Auresta wrote...
There is still no reason to believe that they are really destroyed in Destroy. Star-kid might be lying. But I see your point.

Until I see someone with an destroy ending that shows EDI come out, I think it is pretty strongly insinuated that she died. Which is why she only comes out in other choices.

You see why I struggled with all the choices?

It's a delusion of the effcts of indoctrination before Shepard breaks free. Catalyst clais EDI and the Geth would die if Destruction is chosen, so Shepard's confused and deluded conciousness will THINK EDI was destroyed when the Normandy escaped.

But we're all pretty sure that Catalyst is lying through its virtual teeth and nothing has happened because this is all part of the indoctrination. When Shepard wakes up, i'm 99% certain the Geth and EDI will be fine simply because Shepard, in reality, never made it to the Citadel and the Crucible in the first place.

Though I am for the theory, we have to keep both perspectives in mind. They certainly inform each other. Would we be okay with Geth and EDI actually dying in the true paragon option?

[DeepChild]

@Byne: I really appreciate all the thought and effort you put into this. I see where you're coming from, and I think you may be on to something here. I felt like something was "off" in the way you mentioned just as the dream sequence began. None of what happened after the laser strike made any sense in the "real" world of Mass Effect, so it seems likely that it was all a metaphor of some sort.

If that's the case, then great. Awesome even. Ballsy, as you said, is exactly right. However, EXTENSIVE exposition after the last scene will ultimately be necessary to pull this off in any way that is satisfying. Let's hope that will come to pass one day.

[Vyrii]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

I haven't seen a single bit of info to disprove this theory. One thing I have noticed in ME3 a lot:

Renegade Interrupts are actually ones that even Paragons will take. Here's a small list:
-Udina
-Kai Leng's final battle
-Dalatrass
-TIM

I am a full-on paragon. Yet during those scenes, I always took the interrupt on impulse. It was weird. I noticed that there fewer Paragon interrupts in the main storyline than Renegade. Now, look at the Destroy choice: It's Renegade color.

Don't know what it means, but something I wanted to point out.

Devs said early on that the paragon options weren't always the correct options.  At first I thought that this was only refering to the past games, as some things from ME1 and ME2 that you took the paragon route in end up badly in ME3.  However, I do believe that they were refering to the final scene.

It really only makes sense.

What were some things that ended badly if you chose Paragon in ME1 and ME2? 

I actually don't have any that come to mind, I know they were THERE, playing through the first time I kept looking at some things and thinking "I should have taken the renegade option on that one in ME2, or ME1"  Maybe someone else can fill it in.  I'll keep thinking on it.

[BlackDragonBane]

Auresta wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Auresta wrote...

SorrowAndJoy7 wrote...

Auresta wrote...
There is still no reason to believe that they are really destroyed in Destroy. Star-kid might be lying. But I see your point.

Until I see someone with an destroy ending that shows EDI come out, I think it is pretty strongly insinuated that she died. Which is why she only comes out in other choices.

You see why I struggled with all the choices?

It's a delusion of the effcts of indoctrination before Shepard breaks free. Catalyst clais EDI and the Geth would die if Destruction is chosen, so Shepard's confused and deluded conciousness will THINK EDI was destroyed when the Normandy escaped.

But we're all pretty sure that Catalyst is lying through its virtual teeth and nothing has happened because this is all part of the indoctrination. When Shepard wakes up, i'm 99% certain the Geth and EDI will be fine simply because Shepard, in reality, never made it to the Citadel and the Crucible in the first place.

Though I am for the theory, we have to keep both perspectives in mind. They certainly inform each other. Would we be okay with Geth and EDI actually dying in the true paragon option?

I think that's kind of the point, if you'd be willing to sacrifice an entire species just to destroy the Reapers. After all, we're not sure what the true final causalty cost of the game is going to be. They left that very open ended so far.

[cannedcream]

FugitiveMind wrote...
Why am I waiting for this? Why the hell wasn't this on the original disc?

Probably to squeeze a few more bucks outta us.

It'll work.

[lookingglassmind]

FugitiveMind wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

If the content is already on the disc, though?

What?? You're going to take up my day/date encoded time release content on the disc insane conspiracy theory??
(seriously, got to be page 3 or 4 I'd imagine)

I thought I got laughed back to the stone ages for that one

If it's instant upon announcement say, TOMORROW, then I'll be fine.
I was empty and hollow after the "end", BUT:

If I have to wait there will be rage. The tag line was to take back earth on 3/6. Not go to earth on 3/6 and sit around for a month before taking it back.

If we have to pay there will be SEETHING rage

I was uncertain about your theory at first, but now I am not so uncertain.

We've seen all platforms reporting a discrepancy between actual install game sizes and required game memory sizes. And, ethically, it would just be SLIMY for BioWare to charge us for the ending like this (ME2 and Arrival notwithstanding -- still think that was not a great idea).

Although we'll still have to pay for the DLC ending, likely, I want to believe that they've gone the high road.

[kyrieee]

omgBAMF wrote...

I've been on-board the whole "ending is a dream/indoc/hallucination" thing for a while now, but now I know for a fact it is such once someone posted a pic of the "dream tree" in London after getting blasted by Harby.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg 

Someone also mentioned that the power conduit (that you shoot in the destroy ending) looks VERY similar to the tubes holding up skeletor-reaper at the end of ME2.  This is just another (on top of many) thing that is similar in the dream to instances in Shep's past.

I feel like tweeting this thread to Gamble and telling him "HEY... we're on to you!"

I already said this, but there are trees there during the rush down the hill as well

Watch in HD, fullscreen
They're on the right, where the last Mako gets blown up

[krystalevenstar]

Yay, the site is finally back up. Seriously though, all the official twitter's are getting more and more teasing as more people are coming to this conclusion. I'm still saying we'll have an official comment before the end of the week.

[lookingglassmind]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Yay, the site is finally back up. Seriously though, all the official twitter's are getting more and more teasing as more people are coming to this conclusion. I'm still saying we'll have an official comment before the end of the week.

If we are right, I want to hug everyone on this thread.

[omgBAMF]

kyrieee wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

I've been on-board the whole "ending is a dream/indoc/hallucination" thing for a while now, but now I know for a fact it is such once someone posted a pic of the "dream tree" in London after getting blasted by Harby.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg 

Someone also mentioned that the power conduit (that you shoot in the destroy ending) looks VERY similar to the tubes holding up skeletor-reaper at the end of ME2.  This is just another (on top of many) thing that is similar in the dream to instances in Shep's past.

I feel like tweeting this thread to Gamble and telling him "HEY... we're on to you!"

I already said this, but there are trees there during the rush down the hill as well

Watch in HD, fullscreen
They're on the right, where the last Mako gets blown up

Ahh thank you for the link, there are similar trees there.  it just seemed like the tree in the pic was standing out in the middle of the destroyed path and not off to the side.

Modifié par omgBAMF, 12 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[TobiTobsen]

I really try to not build up false hope. But.... maybe... maybe it's really just one giant trolling / marketing strategy.

*stares at twitter*

[byne]

Vyrii wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

I haven't seen a single bit of info to disprove this theory. One thing I have noticed in ME3 a lot:

Renegade Interrupts are actually ones that even Paragons will take. Here's a small list:
-Udina
-Kai Leng's final battle
-Dalatrass
-TIM

I am a full-on paragon. Yet during those scenes, I always took the interrupt on impulse. It was weird. I noticed that there fewer Paragon interrupts in the main storyline than Renegade. Now, look at the Destroy choice: It's Renegade color.

Don't know what it means, but something I wanted to point out.

Devs said early on that the paragon options weren't always the correct options.  At first I thought that this was only refering to the past games, as some things from ME1 and ME2 that you took the paragon route in end up badly in ME3.  However, I do believe that they were refering to the final scene.

It really only makes sense.

What were some things that ended badly if you chose Paragon in ME1 and ME2? 

I actually don't have any that come to mind, I know they were THERE, playing through the first time I kept looking at some things and thinking "I should have taken the renegade option on that one in ME2, or ME1"  Maybe someone else can fill it in.  I'll keep thinking on it.

I've beaten ME1 and ME2 both around 30 times, and I cant really remember any paragon choices that ended poorly.

I mean, even letting a terrorist like Balak go in Bring Down the Sky ended up with me getting the Batarian fleet as a war asset in ME3.

[GBGriffin]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Yay, the site is finally back up. Seriously though, all the official twitter's are getting more and more teasing as more people are coming to this conclusion. I'm still saying we'll have an official comment before the end of the week.

It could just as easily be spin to get people excited again if they're picking up on that.

Personally, yes, I'm excited, but people have to realize that, short of an official yes or no, all we have at best are vague hints that can honestly go either one way or the other.

Without anything conclusive, I still maintain it's better to hope for the best and expect the worst.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 12 mars 2012 - 09:52 .

[Ona Demonie]

Vyrii wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

What were some things that ended badly if you chose Paragon in ME1 and ME2? 

I actually don't have any that come to mind, I know they were THERE, playing through the first time I kept looking at some things and thinking "I should have taken the renegade option on that one in ME2, or ME1"  Maybe someone else can fill it in.  I'll keep thinking on it.

The only Paragon choice I can think of right now in ME2 was Rewriting the Geth. It made it harder for Paragons to broker peace in ME3. 

Modifié par Ona Demonie, 12 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[cannedcream]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Yay, the site is finally back up. Seriously though, all the official twitter's are getting more and more teasing as more people are coming to this conclusion. I'm still saying we'll have an official comment before the end of the week.

I think it'll be later then that, I'm thinking not until PAX.

Of course, the sooner, the better.

[Silasqtx]

Nah sorry my bad (edited)

Modifié par Silasqtx, 12 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[joe1852]

Silasqtx wrote...

Guys, please hear the very last part of this video:



The VI was giving away Prothean's intel on the Catalyst DIRECTLY TO SHEPARD, then simply said "Indoctrinated presence detected, activating security protocol"

I don't want to raise senseless hope, but it's pretty much telling, imo.

he was referring to kai leng

[GBGriffin]

Silasqtx wrote...

I don't want to raise senseless hope

We crossed that bridge miles ago. Might as well just keep going.

[krystalevenstar]

lookingglassmind wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Yay, the site is finally back up. Seriously though, all the official twitter's are getting more and more teasing as more people are coming to this conclusion. I'm still saying we'll have an official comment before the end of the week.

If we are right, I want to hug everyone on this thread.

I know right? I was so depressed after I beat the game at 7 am the other day I was in tears most of the day. I felt so betrayed it wasn't even funny, but I'll forgive bioware of that if this is the case. I had no hope in any of this and was even skeptical of this thread initially, but as more and more of us started really analyzing this, it's the only explaination. I will totally 100% for the rest of eternity be part of the BDF after this (Bioware Defense Force XD) I also think that once this comes out Bioware is going to say they felt utterly horrible seeing everyone feel like **** and not being able to say anything :/

[omgBAMF]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

What were some things that ended badly if you chose Paragon in ME1 and ME2? 

I actually don't have any that come to mind, I know they were THERE, playing through the first time I kept looking at some things and thinking "I should have taken the renegade option on that one in ME2, or ME1"  Maybe someone else can fill it in.  I'll keep thinking on it.

The only Paragon choice I can think of right now in ME2 was Rewriting the Geth. It made it harder for Paragons to broker peace in ME3. 

There was also the saving of Maelon's research, though I don't know for sure if that would be considered "paragon" or not.

edit- actually, I don't know what the outcome is if you destroyed the research.  Can Mordin cure the genopahge without it? Or will it just take him more time?

Modifié par omgBAMF, 12 mars 2012 - 09:57 .

[frajerik]

kyrieee wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

I've been on-board the whole "ending is a dream/indoc/hallucination" thing for a while now, but now I know for a fact it is such once someone posted a pic of the "dream tree" in London after getting blasted by Harby.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg 

Someone also mentioned that the power conduit (that you shoot in the destroy ending) looks VERY similar to the tubes holding up skeletor-reaper at the end of ME2.  This is just another (on top of many) thing that is similar in the dream to instances in Shep's past.

I feel like tweeting this thread to Gamble and telling him "HEY... we're on to you!"

I already said this, but there are trees there during the rush down the hill as well

Watch in HD, fullscreen
They're on the right, where the last Mako gets blown up

Its interesting that the reaper is saying "you resist" resist to what? maybe indocrination? also camera is shaking very strangely...

[vertibird1]

Silasqtx wrote...

Guys, please hear the very last part of this video:



The VI was giving away Prothean's intel on the Catalyst DIRECTLY TO SHEPARD, then simply said "Indoctrinated presence detected, activating security protocol"

I don't want to raise senseless hope, but it's pretty much telling, imo.

He is referring to Kai Leng

[ArkkAngel007]

Silasqtx wrote...

Guys, please hear the very last part of this video:



The VI was giving away Prothean's intel on the Catalyst DIRECTLY TO SHEPARD, then simply said "Indoctrinated presence detected, activating security protocol"

I don't want to raise senseless hope, but it's pretty much telling, imo.

Kai Leng was indoctrinated through the Reaper augmentations.  That was who the VI was detecting, not Shepard.