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[Dendio1]

Dendio1 wrote...



Watch this and gain perspective on what synthesis is
How control works and why destroy has false pretenses

Excellent video, must watch

Indoctrination theory IS partially right. Like any theory it doesnt have to be 100 percent correct and it isnt
BUT it does catch on to the general premise and there IS an indoctrination taking place.

Watch the vid guys

[plfranke]

InnerTurmoil wrote...

Just to pop in again, but has anyone else noticed that when you are
talking to the kid in the vents, the music that plays is from the theme
used in the ending "An End Once and for All". 
The only way that this particular music is used is if the kid was to be
used in the ending.  There is no way that the reapers would know of the
kid's affect on Shepard unless the Reapers instigated it.  The music
would not foreshadow the ending for an ordinary child that the Reapers
would not know even existed.  If the Reapers were not manipulating
Shepard's mind and the Catalyst used the kids image only as a means to
be better accepted by Shepard, the Catalyst would have found out about
the kid at the end of the game.  This means that the kid would not have
been planned by the Reapers to be used in the ending but rather a
slap-dash attempt by the Catalyst to disguise itself.  This cannot be
since the music playing during the vent scene clearly forshadows the
ending.  The Catalyst (AKA Reapers) knew of the Child the whole time and
the only way for the Reapers to know of the Child at the same time as
and in fact before Shepard (since the music plays
before the Child can have a meaningful emotional impact on Shepard) is
if the Reapers were the ones who planted it.

P.S  The variant on the ending song used for the vent scene is, in my opinion, the best song in the game. So sad.

I'm not sure I follow this, are you saying that the Reapers control the music that plays throughout the game?

[MadRabbit999]

plfranke wrote...

InnerTurmoil wrote...

Just to pop in again, but has anyone else noticed that when you are
talking to the kid in the vents, the music that plays is from the theme
used in the ending "An End Once and for All". 
The only way that this particular music is used is if the kid was to be
used in the ending.  There is no way that the reapers would know of the
kid's affect on Shepard unless the Reapers instigated it.  The music
would not foreshadow the ending for an ordinary child that the Reapers
would not know even existed.  If the Reapers were not manipulating
Shepard's mind and the Catalyst used the kids image only as a means to
be better accepted by Shepard, the Catalyst would have found out about
the kid at the end of the game.  This means that the kid would not have
been planned by the Reapers to be used in the ending but rather a
slap-dash attempt by the Catalyst to disguise itself.  This cannot be
since the music playing during the vent scene clearly forshadows the
ending.  The Catalyst (AKA Reapers) knew of the Child the whole time and
the only way for the Reapers to know of the Child at the same time as
and in fact before Shepard (since the music plays
before the Child can have a meaningful emotional impact on Shepard) is
if the Reapers were the ones who planted it.

P.S  The variant on the ending song used for the vent scene is, in my opinion, the best song in the game. So sad.

I'm not sure I follow this, are you saying that the Reapers control the music that plays throughout the game?

LOL! Hands up for the DJ YoReapa!

Seriously though...  I think he is saying and what I have been saying since the beginning of this thread; If the Catalyst used an image fetched from Shepard's mind, it means he has entered it without asking, and might suggest an attempt of mental manipulation by the Catalyst by showing Shepard one of the most devastating events most recent to him to bring up his guilt.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 04 mai 2012 - 09:14 .

[plfranke]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

InnerTurmoil wrote...

Just to pop in again, but has anyone else noticed that when you are
talking to the kid in the vents, the music that plays is from the theme
used in the ending "An End Once and for All". 
The only way that this particular music is used is if the kid was to be
used in the ending.  There is no way that the reapers would know of the
kid's affect on Shepard unless the Reapers instigated it.  The music
would not foreshadow the ending for an ordinary child that the Reapers
would not know even existed.  If the Reapers were not manipulating
Shepard's mind and the Catalyst used the kids image only as a means to
be better accepted by Shepard, the Catalyst would have found out about
the kid at the end of the game.  This means that the kid would not have
been planned by the Reapers to be used in the ending but rather a
slap-dash attempt by the Catalyst to disguise itself.  This cannot be
since the music playing during the vent scene clearly forshadows the
ending.  The Catalyst (AKA Reapers) knew of the Child the whole time and
the only way for the Reapers to know of the Child at the same time as
and in fact before Shepard (since the music plays
before the Child can have a meaningful emotional impact on Shepard) is
if the Reapers were the ones who planted it.

P.S  The variant on the ending song used for the vent scene is, in my opinion, the best song in the game. So sad.

I'm not sure I follow this, are you saying that the Reapers control the music that plays throughout the game?

LOL! Hands up for the Reaper DJ YoReapa!

Seriously though...  I think he is saying and what I have been saying since the beginning of this thread; If the Catalyst used an image fetched from Shepard's mind, it means he has entered it without asking, and might suggest an attempt of mental manipulation by the Catalyst by showing Shepard one of the most devastating events most recent to him to bring up his guilt.

I just see too much evidence that the kid isn't real for that to be the case. I don't think there's any connection to either theory by the music though. I seriously did take that from the post the first time I read through it lol. I think what he's trying to say is something along the lines of "Illusive Man's music doesn't play in the Citadel so it can't be him"

[Arian Dynas]

Dendio1 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...



Watch this and gain perspective on what synthesis is
How control works and why destroy has false pretenses

Excellent video, must watch

Indoctrination theory IS partially right. Like any theory it doesnt have to be 100 percent correct and it isnt
BUT it does catch on to the general premise and there IS an indoctrination taking place.

Watch the vid guys

Dude, we see it, no need to flog your video for us, just not all of us have 40 minutes to clear for listening to soundbites this late at night. lol.

[Salient Archer]

Dendio1 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...



Watch this and gain perspective on what synthesis is
How control works and why destroy has false pretenses

Excellent video, must watch

Indoctrination theory IS partially right. Like any theory it doesnt have to be 100 percent correct and it isnt
BUT it does catch on to the general premise and there IS an indoctrination taking place.

Watch the vid guys

Promise that I'm spolling it up to watch on my TV later tonight!.

[polor89]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...



Watch this and gain perspective on what synthesis is
How control works and why destroy has false pretenses

Excellent video, must watch

Indoctrination theory IS partially right. Like any theory it doesnt have to be 100 percent correct and it isnt
BUT it does catch on to the general premise and there IS an indoctrination taking place.

Watch the vid guys

Dude, we see it, no need to flog your video for us, just not all of us have 40 minutes to clear for listening to soundbites this late at night. lol.

 Late at night? lol not everybody has night around them here is 12 a.m

[plfranke]

polor89 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...



Watch this and gain perspective on what synthesis is
How control works and why destroy has false pretenses

Excellent video, must watch

Indoctrination theory IS partially right. Like any theory it doesnt have to be 100 percent correct and it isnt
BUT it does catch on to the general premise and there IS an indoctrination taking place.

Watch the vid guys

Dude, we see it, no need to flog your video for us, just not all of us have 40 minutes to clear for listening to soundbites this late at night. lol.

 Late at night? lol not everybody has night around them here is 12 a.m

he didn't say everybody.  he said "not all of us".

[InnerTurmoil]

plfranke wrote...

InnerTurmoil wrote...

Just to pop in again, but has anyone else noticed that when you are
talking to the kid in the vents, the music that plays is from the theme
used in the ending "An End Once and for All". 
The only way that this particular music is used is if the kid was to be
used in the ending.  There is no way that the reapers would know of the
kid's affect on Shepard unless the Reapers instigated it.  The music
would not foreshadow the ending for an ordinary child that the Reapers
would not know even existed.  If the Reapers were not manipulating
Shepard's mind and the Catalyst used the kids image only as a means to
be better accepted by Shepard, the Catalyst would have found out about
the kid at the end of the game.  This means that the kid would not have
been planned by the Reapers to be used in the ending but rather a
slap-dash attempt by the Catalyst to disguise itself.  This cannot be
since the music playing during the vent scene clearly forshadows the
ending.  The Catalyst (AKA Reapers) knew of the Child the whole time and
the only way for the Reapers to know of the Child at the same time as
and in fact before Shepard (since the music plays
before the Child can have a meaningful emotional impact on Shepard) is
if the Reapers were the ones who planted it.

P.S  The variant on the ending song used for the vent scene is, in my opinion, the best song in the game. So sad.

I'm not sure I follow this, are you saying that the Reapers control the music that plays throughout the game?

Not quite, the gist of it is that there is no point to foreshadowing something at the beginning of the game only to make it seem as though they pulled the kid from Shepard's mind at the last minute.  The music isn't the issue, its the music's meaning.  The kid will play a significant role in the ending.  There are two ways for the child to have a significant role in the ending.  First, the Reapers are able to enter Shepard's mind (without trying indoctination) and locate the impact this one ordinary child has had on Shepard as use it to make the Catalyst seem more friendly.  The other option is that the Reapers have intentionally placed this child into Shepard's mind to become the culmination of Shepard's fear, hopelessness, and weakness, trying to slowly break Shepard's will.  The second option, in my opinion, is more worthy to be foreshadowed for an ending which would be the final test of Commander Shepard's resolve.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Dendio1 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...



Watch this and gain perspective on what synthesis is
How control works and why destroy has false pretenses

Excellent video, must watch

Indoctrination theory IS partially right. Like any theory it doesnt have to be 100 percent correct and it isnt
BUT it does catch on to the general premise and there IS an indoctrination taking place.

Watch the vid guys

It is an amazing vid, just finished watching it. It beatifully breaksdown why Control and Synthesis is the Reapers at work and why destroy is where Shepard holds on to his ideals. Honestly, if Bioware did not plan this the joke is on them as the vid says because with the amount of material sourrounding those three choices (when not taken face value) is staggering.

And Indoctrination is certainly still involved. While the vid itself mostly steers around outright calling the scenes Indoctrination, Indoctrination is still what explains the impossibilities of the ending the best and works in perfect sync with the vid.

Really, idd like to see anyone defend Synthesis and Control after watching that vid.

[Bm Fahrtz]

After looking at this cube map, i have concluded that....

I have no clue what it is. Somebody explain.

Edit: After reading through a couple posts. I still dont understand why people think this is a hint of some kind.

Modifié par Bm Fahrtz, 04 mai 2012 - 09:47 .

[plfranke]

Alright everyone I finally have my thoughts straightened out on the Prothean VI. I believe it's a tool being used by the Reapers. From the moment he is activated he tells you that your cycle has come to its end. He foreshadows the catalyst controlling the reapers "the Reapers are only servants to the cycle", a character we deny. Then he claims to sense indoctrinated forces and activates security protocols. But consider this, there were hundreds of Reaper ground forces in the area, several Reapers even, why would the VI be concerned with Kai Leng, but not the Reapers themselves? I believe it's a trick. He's attempting to convince Shepard that Cerberus is indoctrinated. However, we have no solid evidence that they are indoctrinated. In fact, on Sanctuary we saw the Reapers and Cerberus fighting each other, evidence against indoctrination. The Prothean VI again attempts to discourage you from fighting at Cerberus Hq, telling you that you should give up and help the next cycle.

Remember, we know for a fact there were indoctrinated agents in the Prothean civilization. Well what if Pashek Vran or whatever his name was, the creator of the VI, was indoctrinated. He creates a VI to mislead the next cycle, to be the final nail in their coffin. The VI would attempt to discourage them from fighting, and as a last line of defense give them false information on the catalyst, the Citadel. The Reapers would then bring the Citadel to their controlled space, and like fools every species would make one last effort to take back control. The Reapers herd us all to Earth and exterminate us. Please critique this people, there are several parts I'm skeptical about in this theory, but one thing I know for sure is that rat bastard VI can't be trusted and it's time to expose him.

[Arian Dynas]

Bm Fahrtz wrote...

After looking at this cube map, i have concluded that....

I have no clue what it is. Somebody explain.

Edit: After reading through a couple posts. I still dont understand why people think this is a hint of some kind.

I feel ya.

Basically what the argument is is there is no logical reason for trees to be there (first organic being and all that, that and I doubt the Crucible design team had time to worry about landscaping) And while the trees might not be present, the REFLECTIONS of the trees remain so. That and trees thus far have always represented dreams, and the team likely took out the trees themselves, thinking it would be too obvious, but left the cubemaps as they were for a more subtle sense of the surreal.

Yeah. I never said it wasn't a stretch. It's not very solid in my opinion either.

[plfranke]

Bm Fahrtz wrote...

After looking at this cube map, i have concluded that....

I have no clue what it is. Somebody explain.

Edit: After reading through a couple posts. I still dont understand why people think this is a hint of some kind.

Trees can be found in the reflection of the ground in the final room on the Citadel. There is absolutely no reason for them to be there. It's confirmed that those trees would have had to of been intentionally placed there and not just been left behind or recycled, because the trees get more visible if you have the choice of Synthesis available. One would think that a room in space with no visible plantlife, that has the reflections of trees on the ground could not possibly exist. It would be save to assume this area is not real.

[Bm Fahrtz]

This is starting to get goofy.

[plfranke]

Bm Fahrtz wrote...

This is starting to get goofy.

That's the same thing I said when I saw that my team who abandoned me got rewarded for their mutiny by conveniently landing safely on a utopia planet.

[Tr0n01d]

ok how long until we found some ancient civilisation derelicts in mars ?

[MadRabbit999]

plfranke wrote...

Bm Fahrtz wrote...

After looking at this cube map, i have concluded that....

I have no clue what it is. Somebody explain.

Edit: After reading through a couple posts. I still dont understand why people think this is a hint of some kind.

Trees can be found in the reflection of the ground in the final room on the Citadel. There is absolutely no reason for them to be there. It's confirmed that those trees would have had to of been intentionally placed there and not just been left behind or recycled, because the trees get more visible if you have the choice of Synthesis available. One would think that a room in space with no visible plantlife, that has the reflections of trees on the ground could not possibly exist. It would be save to assume this area is not real.

That's just a cheap reflection map... you found these all over the ME games... some of my favourite ones were mountains reflections found within confined spaces of the Citadel. It's a pretty generic thing to do in modern games because reflecting the real enviornment is much more expensive in terms of performance.

[Destructorlio]

blooregard wrote...
Current (best) pieces of evidence supporting the IT:
1) The kid on Earth (may have been real before but is seen running into a house before it gets blown up and is perfectly fine in the ventilation)
2) Nobody notices the child in any instance except Shepard (nobody helps him onto the shuttle and Anderson doesn't say anything about who Shepard is talking too
3) Reaper growl heard when Anderson gets shep's attention away from the kid
4) Increasingly weird dreams where you see the "oily shadows" and hear whispers from the nearly incomprehensible murmurs to the squad mates
5) TIM's post Thessia change of heart ("I'm not looking for your approval" to "I need you to believe"
6) The weird growls when you and Anderson confront TIM
7) The oily black borders in that same scene
8) Waking up after the destroy ending in what appears to be human rubble
9) Cube map featuring unique trees (I personally find this questionable)

Little "inconsistencies" that support IT:
1) Anderson not being scratched on the Citadel
2) Nobody noticing Anderson or Shepard making their way to the beam after being hit by the laser
3) Anderson following you up when you say nobody
4) Dream shrubs after the laser hits you
5) Piles of dead bodies after the beam hits you
6) Hackett contacting you over a (supposedly) broken radio after he was informed everyone was dead while on the Citadel
7) The starchild's distase for destroy
8) EDI surviving the destroy ending

Couple more:

The eyes: If you choose the Control or Synthesis options in the final sequence, your eyes turn bright blue and your skin flakes away to reveal a black, husk-like corruption underneath. In Mass Effect 1 the villain was Saren, who wanted organic and biological life to join together (synthesis). Saren was indoctrinated and had bright blue eyes as a consequence. In Mass Effect 2 the villain was The Illusive Man, who wanted to control the Reapers (control). The Illusive Man was indoctrinated and had the same bright blue eyes. These seem to me clear indicators that choosing control or synthesis indicated 'giving in' to indoctrination.

The wound to Shepard's side: When Shepard shoots Andersen, she shoots him in the lower left flank. Shortly after this, Shepard inspects a wound on her own left flank- she puts a hand to the wound, then brings it away and looks confused by the blood on her fingers. This seems to me a clear indicator that something is surreal or not right about the scenario.

The musical cues: If you choose control or synthesis, the same musical cue is played- dark music and the blare of a Reaper horn. If you choose destroy, a hopeful piano song is played. Given the importance of music in the game, this subtly points towards IT being true.

The voice of the Star Child: When talking to the catalyst entity, there are three voices- the child's voice, then male Shepard in the right ear and the female Shepard in the left ear. This is an intentional clue that Shepard is literally 'talking to him/herself'- a subtle indicator that s/he is hallucinating. As the starchild encourages Shepard NOT to choose destroy, it also smiles if you choose control or synthesis.

[MadRabbit999]

Destructorlio wrote...



The eyes: If you choose the Control or Synthesis options in the final sequence, your eyes turn bright blue and your skin flakes away to reveal a black, husk-like corruption underneath. In Mass Effect 1 the villain was Saren, who wanted organic and biological life to join together (synthesis). Saren was indoctrinated and had bright blue eyes as a consequence. In Mass Effect 2 the villain was The Illusive Man, who wanted to control the Reapers (control). The Illusive Man was indoctrinated and had the same bright blue eyes. These seem to me clear indicators that choosing control or synthesis indicated 'giving in' to indoctrination.

Or another possibility could be that in order for the machine to work, you DO need reaper tech implanted in your body, othewise Sheaprd would either disintegrate when he chooses Synthesys or being fried when chosing control, so the reaper tech, invades Shepard's body, and disassemble it piece by piece to make it "fit" the magic stuff.

Destructorlio wrote...
The wound to Shepard's side: When Shepard shoots Andersen, she shoots him in the lower left flank. Shortly after this, Shepard inspects a wound on her own left flank- she puts a hand to the wound, then brings it away and looks confused by the blood on her fingers. This seems to me a clear indicator that something is surreal or not right about the scenario.

You can have Anderson shot in the head and Shepard then shoots TIM if you do not pick either parago nor renegade... so why Shepard does also not get shot in the head when that happens? Why only the stomach thing applies?

Destructorlio wrote...
The voice of the Star Child: When talking to the catalyst entity, there are three voices- the child's voice, then male Shepard in the right ear and the female Shepard in the left ear. This is an intentional clue that Shepard is literally 'talking to him/herself'- a subtle indicator that s/he is hallucinating. As the starchild encourages Shepard NOT to choose destroy, it also smiles if you choose control or synthesis.

It makes no sense in the male shep universe that a femshep voice exists, and viceversa, so this thing either makes no sense like a few other things durign the ending, or it is done to sound more eerie.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 04 mai 2012 - 10:29 .

[dorktainian]

www.youtube.com/watch 

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few snipets of B5.  First one when Sheridan is being 'brainwashed / tortured / indoctrinated'  Subtly the polite Mr  torturer is working on Sheridans mind to change his 'viewpoint' of what exactly constitutes 'The Truth'.  

Second one where you see the power of the individal to choose / and the sacrifices he will possibly have to make are layed out in front of him.

Third one - speaks for itself.  Just added it cos it's brilliant.

So what exactly is 'The Truth' about the Catalyst?  Is it what we see, or is it there in front of us but because we - alongside Shep have been forced within the story toward a certain viewpoint that we refuse to acknowledge what is 'The Real Truth'?  

Or is the truth the Current Ending?  

[plfranke]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...



The eyes: If you choose the Control or Synthesis options in the final sequence, your eyes turn bright blue and your skin flakes away to reveal a black, husk-like corruption underneath. In Mass Effect 1 the villain was Saren, who wanted organic and biological life to join together (synthesis). Saren was indoctrinated and had bright blue eyes as a consequence. In Mass Effect 2 the villain was The Illusive Man, who wanted to control the Reapers (control). The Illusive Man was indoctrinated and had the same bright blue eyes. These seem to me clear indicators that choosing control or synthesis indicated 'giving in' to indoctrination.

Or another possibility could be that in order for the machine to work, you DO need reaper tech implanted in your body, othewise Sheaprd would either disintegrate when he chooses Synthesys or being fried when chosing control, so the reaper tech, invades Shepard's body, and disassemble it piece by piece to make it "fit" the magic stuff.

Destructorlio wrote...
The wound to Shepard's side: When Shepard shoots Andersen, she shoots him in the lower left flank. Shortly after this, Shepard inspects a wound on her own left flank- she puts a hand to the wound, then brings it away and looks confused by the blood on her fingers. This seems to me a clear indicator that something is surreal or not right about the scenario.

You can have Anderson shot in the head and Shepard then shoots TIM if you do not pick either parago nor renegade... so why Shepard does also not get shot in the head when that happens? Why only the stomach thing applies?

Destructorlio wrote...
The voice of the Star Child: When talking to the catalyst entity, there are three voices- the child's voice, then male Shepard in the right ear and the female Shepard in the left ear. This is an intentional clue that Shepard is literally 'talking to him/herself'- a subtle indicator that s/he is hallucinating. As the starchild encourages Shepard NOT to choose destroy, it also smiles if you choose control or synthesis.

It makes no sense in the male shep universe that a femshep voice exists, and viceversa, so this thing either makes no sense like a few other things durign the ending, or it is done to sound more eerie.

You didn't say anything about the reaper horns that play in the background. Also, do you know if the wound from Shepard's stomach still shows up even if Anderson was shot in the head? It's also worth noting that you need 1000 more ems for Shepard to live if Anderson got shot in the head, which could be used as a counter argument for that if the wound doesn't show up. If the wound does still show up I consider that a blow to IT. Not that there aren't other things wrong with the ending. Like the fact that TIM and Anderson shouldn't even be in that control room.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Looking over all the evidence again, thinking about the Breath scene (205 views of my brightened video), and I cannot stop asking: what will Bioware do next? What are they going to do with the Mass Effect Universe? What are they going to do with Shepard? They obviously have something planned with the Breath scene added regardless of whether or not Indoctrination Theory is true. Does Shepard stumble back to his or her feet, Carnfiex in hand, blasting any Husks in sight. Or is the war truly over after Destroy? Do Shepard's squadmate find the still breathing body and nurse it back to health? Is the Universe full of Reapers, not just the Milky Way, that have been running the cycle like clockwork creating millions upon millions of Reapers in the process and killing more civilizations that I can count? Will they come back to Earth, and will we be able to stop them?

I can say without a doubt I'll be waiting patiently, though not without struggle, until Bioware releases "What's Next" for our Shepard. I just hope it happens soon... I know a lot of us are struggling to wait. Keep hope, the day will come when we find out exactly what happens, why things happen, and what happens next. Hold the line.

[BleedingUranium]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Looking over all the evidence again, thinking about the Breath scene (205 views of my brightened video), and I cannot stop asking: what will Bioware do next? What are they going to do with the Mass Effect Universe? What are they going to do with Shepard? They obviously have something planned with the Breath scene added regardless of whether or not Indoctrination Theory is true. Does Shepard stumble back to his or her feet, Carnfiex in hand, blasting any Husks in sight. Or is the war truly over after Destroy? Do Shepard's squadmate find the still breathing body and nurse it back to health? Is the Universe full of Reapers, not just the Milky Way, that have been running the cycle like clockwork creating millions upon millions of Reapers in the process and killing more civilizations that I can count? Will they come back to Earth, and will we be able to stop them?

I can say without a doubt I'll be waiting patiently, though not without struggle, until Bioware releases "What's Next" for our Shepard. I just hope it happens soon... I know a lot of us are struggling to wait. Keep hope, the day will come when we find out exactly what happens, why things happen, and what happens next. Hold the line.

Prequel most likely. Maybe about the Rachni Wars? We do know Sovereign was behind that. Or maybe about some cycle we've never heard of. Or maybe the very first civilization and how the Reapers came to be. Any of those would be pretty cool

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...
The wound to Shepard's side: When Shepard shoots Andersen, she shoots him in the lower left flank. Shortly after this, Shepard inspects a wound on her own left flank- she puts a hand to the wound, then brings it away and looks confused by the blood on her fingers. This seems to me a clear indicator that something is surreal or not right about the scenario.

You can have Anderson shot in the head and Shepard then shoots TIM if you do not pick either parago nor renegade... so why Shepard does also not get shot in the head when that happens? Why only the stomach thing applies?

The main difference between those two is that Shepard is not the one pulling the trigger. If TIm and Anderson are two parts of Shepards mind then Shepard shooting either of them would wound (read weaken) that part of his mind represented by the fact that the wound is reflected upon Shepard.

But in the case of TIM pulling the trigger it is another part of his mind weakening another part of his mind. This is then reflected in the significantly higher score needed for the breath scene, but because Shepard was not the one actually taking an action the action is not reflected upon him.

At least that is my interpretation.

Hope that made sense.