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[Baldsake]

I've been on this thread for a while now, I was just sharing my thoughts that the waitfor the EC is, imo, way too long. Some people here get offended or whatever a little quick.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

plfranke wrote...

I'm intrigued now. Can anyone say whether if you have just enough ems to get the synthesis option, and you let TIM shoot Anderson, you're still able to get the synthesis option?

A friend of mine was able to get ONLY the Control and Synthesis options with his ending, I'm goign to get him to take screenshots since I hadn't heard of that happening before. From what I recall he had EMS well over 5000, about 97% readiness rating, slightly less than max Reputation and that was NOT enough to stop The Illusive Man from executed Anderson. He says he was able to walk up the Destroy ramp but it was emtpy. I'm waiting on screenshots, will post them soon as possible if he can recreate this ending.

[Baldsake]

Aight don worry bout it

[Rifneno]

Don't have time to catch up the 16 pages I missed... but OMG! Guys! Either my pain medication is whacking me out more than usual, or I think I figured out something major.

HARBINGER IS THE PROTHEAN REAPER!

Ever since Byne posted that picture of Javik with the glowing yellow eyes, I've been trying to figure out what the hell. On one hand, Javik uses the same mockery of logic that starbrat uses. Toss in the glowing eyes and it sounds like he's either hardcore indoctrinated or a completely fake Reaper plant. But that doesn't add up. He doesn't exhibit any symptoms of indoctrination and when it comes to Reapers he's like a rabid wolverine. He wants Reaper blood and he wants it now. Which is the exact opposite of how he should act if he was remotely on the Reaper's side. Then it hit me: that's because the reverse is true. Their similarities aren't because Javik has Reaper ties, they're because Harbinger has Prothean ones.

We know that Reapers, to a small extent at least, resemble their origin species. They didn't bother showing us different types of capital ships in 3 but the FMV at the end of 2 clearly shows us stark variances in some capital ships. Look at Javik's eye structure. Four eyes with the outer pair slightly higher. Now look at Harbinger's... "eyes" I guess. Six of them. Okay, I can't explain the extra two, but four of them are a perfect match for Prothean eye structure. I think the reason they dumped Javik having glowing yellow eyes is because it'd make it too obvious what Harbinger is. The aforementioned perversion of logic, "oh no'es teh machines will dustruy us all!" It's pretty retarded. Which begs the question, why would Harbinger give Shepard an explanation for the Reapers that was so retarded? Why not go with something that makes at least some semblence of sense like the dark energy theory? Because depending on how much of the minds of the people used to create him still exist, he either genuinely believes it himself or he knows that it's an explanation organics will believe because he, er, "they" used to. He's appealing to Shepard with Prothean logic.

Also remember the control ending is labeled internally and in the Prima guide as "become a Reaper". If Harbinger is leading the Reapers because he's currently the newest and best model, it makes sense that if Shepard became a Reaper he'd control them. So in a super terrible way, the control ending would be legit.

Counterpoints:
- The two extra eyes. ... Yeah, I got nothin'.

- EDI claims "they tried to create a Prothean Reaper and failed": She never explains how she came to that conclusion. On that basis alone it's hard not to take with a grain of salt. Besides, she didn't say it was their only attempt to create one. In fact, EDI usually explains at least the basis for her conclusions if not the complete summary of how she reached them. And Shepard has time to ask her all sorts of other questions so it's not like they didn't have 5 seconds for her to say "I see a detect a note at the bottom of the pit reading 'Stupid protheans' DNA won't work, I'm abandoning the ****ers and waiting for the next species.'" I have to wonder if she didn't actually say that because the writers wanted to throw us off.

- Harbinger's codex claims him the oldest and largest of the Reaper armada: There's no way they could possibly know he's the oldest. That's a wild guess. It has to be. They couldn't even put a date the damned Citadel and they lived on the thing for thousands of years. What, did Harbinger let somebody scrape some metal off for carbon dating? Bull****. Actually, I think the opposite is more likely. When production cost isn't a factor, the newest model of something is pretty much always the best. Features and technology improves over time, and re-fitting older models is often extremely difficult or impossible. So logically the newest Reaper would be the "best".

[Destructorlio]

Baldsake wrote...

I've been on this thread for a while now, I was just sharing my thoughts that the waitfor the EC is, imo, way too long. Some people here get offended or whatever a little quick.

You're right, I did jump to snark too quickly and I do apologize, I wasn't actually offended, I just have a harsh sense of humour that I sometmies forget doesn't communicate well via text. Hope we're cool and can continue to conversation.

[polor89]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I'm intrigued now. Can anyone say whether if you have just enough ems to get the synthesis option, and you let TIM shoot Anderson, you're still able to get the synthesis option?

A friend of mine was able to get ONLY the Control and Synthesis options with his ending, I'm goign to get him to take screenshots since I hadn't heard of that happening before. From what I recall he had EMS well over 5000, about 97% readiness rating, slightly less than max Reputation and that was NOT enough to stop The Illusive Man from executed Anderson. He says he was able to walk up the Destroy ramp but it was emtpy. I'm waiting on screenshots, will post them soon as possible if he can recreate this ending.

Thats ...weird 

[plfranke]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

plfranke wrote...

But even when TIM shoots Anderson, Shepard had already shot Anderson in the stomach. I also find it odd that it takes 1000 more ems to get the Shepard lives scene if TIM shot Anderson. From what I've understood IT says that you need the war assets because you need the fleets and everything to give Shepard time to snap out of his indoctrination, but what would Anderson being shot by TIM have anything to do with that. I can actually think of a face value explanation for that much faster than I can an IT reason.

Someone previously posited that we've been misunderstanding EMS- while it does represent military strength, it also represents Shepard's belief in himself- the more support he gathers, the more EMS he has. This explains why largely symbolic gestures in the game (finding a statue, giving someone a book) increase the EMS by a seemingly disproportionate degree. As the final battle is in Shepard's mind, his confidence in his allies probably has a great effect on his resistance to indoc. The death of Andersen, real or false, no doubt would impact greatly on this.

That's very clever, but think about this situation. Two players are at the end Player A has 4000 EMS, Player B has 3000 EMS. Player B saves Anderson from being shot by TIM and goes on to take the destroy option. He doesn't get the breath scene because his forces couldn't hold out long enough for him to break free. Player A lets Anderson get shot by TIM and picks destroy. What's the exact reason he doesn't get the breath scene?

The only logical guess I can think of has to do with Indoctrination Theory and Anderson being a manifestation of Shepard's willpower (as I'm sure I've said a lot by now sorry for being repetative). If such a large part of your willpower is gone, then you wouldn't be able to resist the Reapers and the Destroy option isn't available or the bad Destroy option is the only one available.

OR

A more direct guess: when being shown the Destroy option, the Catalyst depicts it as Anderson's choice. With Anderson executed it's possible his choice simply isn't there. Illusive Man's decision is sitll there because it was influenced by the Reapers, and even though he's dead, the Reapers are not so their influence would still be there to choose from.... That make sense? I'm just guessing best I can at this point.

The problem is that destroy is still an option for you even if Anderson was shot by TIM. If it wasn't a choice after Anderson was shot that would pretty much close the door, but it is. My point with setting up that little scenario is that there is no logical reason why player A shouldn't be able to attain the Shepard breath scene using the argument that the forces are holding out while Shepard fights off indoctrination. Sticking to IT the only way you can explain not getting the breath scene if Anderson is shot by TIM is to say that Shepard didn't believe in himself enough to break out of the indoctrination, but in that case destroy shouldn't have been an option to begin with.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Rifneno wrote...
*snipe just scroll up to read it*

Sorry but I'm 99% positive Harbinger is NOT the prothean reaper. It was alluded to that Protheans lacked the genetic "key" to become a Reaper so they were instead repurposed as Collectors, indoctrinated agents for the Reapers. Also, Harbinger is estimated to be the OLDEST of the Reapers (and also the largest) so he has to be far older than 50,000 years. One more thing, I know a lot people think Harbinger has foru eyes just like the Portheans but he actually has six, just got to look real close at his screenshots.

That being said, good to see you Rifneno, hope those meds at least feel good.

[plfranke]

Rifneno wrote...

Don't have time to catch up the 16 pages I missed... but OMG! Guys! Either my pain medication is whacking me out more than usual, or I think I figured out something major.

HARBINGER IS THE PROTHEAN REAPER!

Ever since Byne posted that picture of Javik with the glowing yellow eyes, I've been trying to figure out what the hell. On one hand, Javik uses the same mockery of logic that starbrat uses. Toss in the glowing eyes and it sounds like he's either hardcore indoctrinated or a completely fake Reaper plant. But that doesn't add up. He doesn't exhibit any symptoms of indoctrination and when it comes to Reapers he's like a rabid wolverine. He wants Reaper blood and he wants it now. Which is the exact opposite of how he should act if he was remotely on the Reaper's side. Then it hit me: that's because the reverse is true. Their similarities aren't because Javik has Reaper ties, they're because Harbinger has Prothean ones.

We know that Reapers, to a small extent at least, resemble their origin species. They didn't bother showing us different types of capital ships in 3 but the FMV at the end of 2 clearly shows us stark variances in some capital ships. Look at Javik's eye structure. Four eyes with the outer pair slightly higher. Now look at Harbinger's... "eyes" I guess. Six of them. Okay, I can't explain the extra two, but four of them are a perfect match for Prothean eye structure. I think the reason they dumped Javik having glowing yellow eyes is because it'd make it too obvious what Harbinger is. The aforementioned perversion of logic, "oh no'es teh machines will dustruy us all!" It's pretty retarded. Which begs the question, why would Harbinger give Shepard an explanation for the Reapers that was so retarded? Why not go with something that makes at least some semblence of sense like the dark energy theory? Because depending on how much of the minds of the people used to create him still exist, he either genuinely believes it himself or he knows that it's an explanation organics will believe because he, er, "they" used to. He's appealing to Shepard with Prothean logic.

Also remember the control ending is labeled internally and in the Prima guide as "become a Reaper". If Harbinger is leading the Reapers because he's currently the newest and best model, it makes sense that if Shepard became a Reaper he'd control them. So in a super terrible way, the control ending would be legit.

Counterpoints:
- The two extra eyes. ... Yeah, I got nothin'.

- EDI claims "they tried to create a Prothean Reaper and failed": She never explains how she came to that conclusion. On that basis alone it's hard not to take with a grain of salt. Besides, she didn't say it was their only attempt to create one. In fact, EDI usually explains at least the basis for her conclusions if not the complete summary of how she reached them. And Shepard has time to ask her all sorts of other questions so it's not like they didn't have 5 seconds for her to say "I see a detect a note at the bottom of the pit reading 'Stupid protheans' DNA won't work, I'm abandoning the ****ers and waiting for the next species.'" I have to wonder if she didn't actually say that because the writers wanted to throw us off.

- Harbinger's codex claims him the oldest and largest of the Reaper armada: There's no way they could possibly know he's the oldest. That's a wild guess. It has to be. They couldn't even put a date the damned Citadel and they lived on the thing for thousands of years. What, did Harbinger let somebody scrape some metal off for carbon dating? Bull****. Actually, I think the opposite is more likely. When production cost isn't a factor, the newest model of something is pretty much always the best. Features and technology improves over time, and re-fitting older models is often extremely difficult or impossible. So logically the newest Reaper would be the "best".

I like this. I actually had a theory about the Prothean VI a page or 2 back that has been totally ignored. It makes even more sense along with this because Harbinger being a prothean Reaper would have absorbed knowledge of their civilization. Or something I don't know.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

plfranke
My post slightly above yours and below my own:

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I'm intrigued now. Can anyone say whether if you have just enough ems to get the synthesis option, and you let TIM shoot Anderson, you're still able to get the synthesis option?

A friend of mine was able to get ONLY the Control and Synthesis options with his ending, I'm goign to get him to take screenshots since I hadn't heard of that happening before. From what I recall he had EMS well over 5000, about 97% readiness rating, slightly less than max Reputation and that was NOT enough to stop The Illusive Man from executed Anderson. He says he was able to walk up the Destroy ramp but it was emtpy. I'm waiting on screenshots, will post them soon as possible if he can recreate this ending.

So it is possible, somehow, not toget the destroy ending at all if Anderson is shot by TIM. As for the logic of fleets having more time to let you resist, I'd say anything is possible. Also, I'm not entirely convinced time is moving while Shepard has this hallucination, I think it all happens in a matter of minutes in Shepard's mind.

[Rifneno]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Sorry but I'm 99% positive Harbinger is NOT the prothean reaper. It was alluded to that Protheans lacked the genetic "key" to become a Reaper so they were instead repurposed as Collectors, indoctrinated agents for the Reapers. Also, Harbinger is estimated to be the OLDEST of the Reapers (and also the largest) so he has to be far older than 50,000 years. One more thing, I know a lot people think Harbinger has foru eyes just like the Portheans but he actually has six, just got to look real close at his screenshots.

That being said, good to see you Rifneno, hope those meds at least feel good.

Did you, umm, read anything past the bolded sentence?

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

Don't have time to catch up the 16 pages I missed... but OMG! Guys! Either my pain medication is whacking me out more than usual, or I think I figured out something major.

HARBINGER IS THE PROTHEAN REAPER!

Ever since Byne posted that picture of Javik with the glowing yellow eyes, I've been trying to figure out what the hell. On one hand, Javik uses the same mockery of logic that starbrat uses. Toss in the glowing eyes and it sounds like he's either hardcore indoctrinated or a completely fake Reaper plant. But that doesn't add up. He doesn't exhibit any symptoms of indoctrination and when it comes to Reapers he's like a rabid wolverine. He wants Reaper blood and he wants it now. Which is the exact opposite of how he should act if he was remotely on the Reaper's side. Then it hit me: that's because the reverse is true. Their similarities aren't because Javik has Reaper ties, they're because Harbinger has Prothean ones.

We know that Reapers, to a small extent at least, resemble their origin species. They didn't bother showing us different types of capital ships in 3 but the FMV at the end of 2 clearly shows us stark variances in some capital ships. Look at Javik's eye structure. Four eyes with the outer pair slightly higher. Now look at Harbinger's... "eyes" I guess. Six of them. Okay, I can't explain the extra two, but four of them are a perfect match for Prothean eye structure. I think the reason they dumped Javik having glowing yellow eyes is because it'd make it too obvious what Harbinger is. The aforementioned perversion of logic, "oh no'es teh machines will dustruy us all!" It's pretty retarded. Which begs the question, why would Harbinger give Shepard an explanation for the Reapers that was so retarded? Why not go with something that makes at least some semblence of sense like the dark energy theory? Because depending on how much of the minds of the people used to create him still exist, he either genuinely believes it himself or he knows that it's an explanation organics will believe because he, er, "they" used to. He's appealing to Shepard with Prothean logic.

Also remember the control ending is labeled internally and in the Prima guide as "become a Reaper". If Harbinger is leading the Reapers because he's currently the newest and best model, it makes sense that if Shepard became a Reaper he'd control them. So in a super terrible way, the control ending would be legit.

Counterpoints:
- The two extra eyes. ... Yeah, I got nothin'.

- EDI claims "they tried to create a Prothean Reaper and failed": She never explains how she came to that conclusion. On that basis alone it's hard not to take with a grain of salt. Besides, she didn't say it was their only attempt to create one. In fact, EDI usually explains at least the basis for her conclusions if not the complete summary of how she reached them. And Shepard has time to ask her all sorts of other questions so it's not like they didn't have 5 seconds for her to say "I see a detect a note at the bottom of the pit reading 'Stupid protheans' DNA won't work, I'm abandoning the ****ers and waiting for the next species.'" I have to wonder if she didn't actually say that because the writers wanted to throw us off.

- Harbinger's codex claims him the oldest and largest of the Reaper armada: There's no way they could possibly know he's the oldest. That's a wild guess. It has to be. They couldn't even put a date the damned Citadel and they lived on the thing for thousands of years. What, did Harbinger let somebody scrape some metal off for carbon dating? Bull****. Actually, I think the opposite is more likely. When production cost isn't a factor, the newest model of something is pretty much always the best. Features and technology improves over time, and re-fitting older models is often extremely difficult or impossible. So logically the newest Reaper would be the "best".

It's been established Harbinger is the oldest and most powerful of the fleet. In fact, Harbinger is likely the first, with all other based off of it.

Fact is, most of this from what I can see is merely based off your hatred of Javik. And one peice of promotional art.

Sorry dude, not solid enough for me.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 04 mai 2012 - 11:39 .

[Rifneno]

I hope you guys look back on this everytime someone comes in and goes "IT can't be true cuz the prothean VI would've detected it."

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Rifneno wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Sorry but I'm 99% positive Harbinger is NOT the prothean reaper. It was alluded to that Protheans lacked the genetic "key" to become a Reaper so they were instead repurposed as Collectors, indoctrinated agents for the Reapers. Also, Harbinger is estimated to be the OLDEST of the Reapers (and also the largest) so he has to be far older than 50,000 years. One more thing, I know a lot people think Harbinger has foru eyes just like the Portheans but he actually has six, just got to look real close at his screenshots.

That being said, good to see you Rifneno, hope those meds at least feel good.

Did you, umm, read anything past the bolded sentence?

Yes, this is why I say 99% sure and 100%. Always leave room for my mistakes .

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 04 mai 2012 - 11:39 .

[plfranke]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

plfranke
My post slightly above yours and below my own:

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I'm intrigued now. Can anyone say whether if you have just enough ems to get the synthesis option, and you let TIM shoot Anderson, you're still able to get the synthesis option?

A friend of mine was able to get ONLY the Control and Synthesis options with his ending, I'm goign to get him to take screenshots since I hadn't heard of that happening before. From what I recall he had EMS well over 5000, about 97% readiness rating, slightly less than max Reputation and that was NOT enough to stop The Illusive Man from executed Anderson. He says he was able to walk up the Destroy ramp but it was emtpy. I'm waiting on screenshots, will post them soon as possible if he can recreate this ending.

So it is possible, somehow, not toget the destroy ending at all if Anderson is shot by TIM. As for the logic of fleets having more time to let you resist, I'd say anything is possible. Also, I'm not entirely convinced time is moving while Shepard has this hallucination, I think it all happens in a matter of minutes in Shepard's mind.

If that really is true that it's possible to not get the destroy option if Anderson gets shot by TIM then I think that's an incredibly strong point for IT, I will be trying to get this ending today.

[Rifneno]

My theory on reading posts before replying to them: My theory is that no one else does it.

[MegumiAzusa]

balance5050 wrote...

Ok, so the trees actually do become more apparent when the platforms are raised, and become MOST apparent when synthesis is an option. So the trees do show up more when there is more reason to convince you.




http://i.imgur.com/RIIzj.jpg  

Again these seem to be more just different versions. In the game only the middle one is used and you can see that in the left one the Crucible has an entirely different color. Also the placing of the Crucible changes in any of these. Add to that that the right one only has rudimentary textures and details for both the walkways and Earth.
You can do an educated guess telling you the right one was the first version, used in the beta for testing how it looks. They seemingly went from a green to cyan color for later versions. This could be because the green would be noticed too easily. Then moving onto the left you can see more details in the Earth texture (it's the final one we also got in the game now) and on the walkways, but again the trees might be quite noticeable and if you look at the "sky" part you can see the Crucible is placed too high so the edges from the background cube are clearly visible as the top side isn't there. Then moving to the "final" in the middle, the Crucible got it's final colors and positioning, they added some additional effects on the Earth texture and even got some ships floating around.

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

My theory on reading posts before replying to them: My theory is that no one else does it.

Bah. I've got a headache and went back to edit my thoughtprocess in. It's too early in the morning/late at night for me to think too hard.

[Rifneno]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

My theory on reading posts before replying to them: My theory is that no one else does it.

Bah. I've got a headache and went back to edit my thoughtprocess in. It's too early in the morning/late at night for me to think too hard.

Take some asprin.  If you didn't already.  I don't know, I stopped reading after "headache".

[gunslinger_ruiz]

plfranke wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

plfranke
My post slightly above yours and below my own:

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I'm intrigued now. Can anyone say whether if you have just enough ems to get the synthesis option, and you let TIM shoot Anderson, you're still able to get the synthesis option?

A friend of mine was able to get ONLY the Control and Synthesis options with his ending, I'm goign to get him to take screenshots since I hadn't heard of that happening before. From what I recall he had EMS well over 5000, about 97% readiness rating, slightly less than max Reputation and that was NOT enough to stop The Illusive Man from executed Anderson. He says he was able to walk up the Destroy ramp but it was emtpy. I'm waiting on screenshots, will post them soon as possible if he can recreate this ending.

So it is possible, somehow, not toget the destroy ending at all if Anderson is shot by TIM. As for the logic of fleets having more time to let you resist, I'd say anything is possible. Also, I'm not entirely convinced time is moving while Shepard has this hallucination, I think it all happens in a matter of minutes in Shepard's mind.

If that really is true that it's possible to not get the destroy option if Anderson gets shot by TIM then I think that's an incredibly strong point for IT, I will be trying to get this ending today.

QUICK NOTE: he was also using a default Shepard since his custom Shepard was on xbox longago, he has since switched to PC. He's working another import Shepard but I asked him to go through his default Shepard again to see those endings.

If it's solid, then in order to NOT have the Destroy ending you need over 5000 EMS and also let Anderson get executed.

[polor89]

There is no way that harbinger is originates from the protheans just the codex alone invalidates this .You probably take the codex way too realistically the alliance or any other species didnt wrote the codex bioware did

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

My theory on reading posts before replying to them: My theory is that no one else does it.

Bah. I've got a headache and went back to edit my thoughtprocess in. It's too early in the morning/late at night for me to think too hard.

*struggling to type correctly* I complete agree doc I think it's time for me to turn in. Goodnight everyone and stay safe out there. It's a busy world.

[Rosewind]

Need a Hug Arian?

[Rifneno]

polor89 wrote...

There is no way that harbinger is originates from the protheans just the codex alone invalidates this .You probably take the codex way too realistically the alliance or any other species didnt wrote the codex bioware did

I bet you have an awesome explanation for why the codex says the Protheans built the mass relays.

No.  Whatever you're about to type, NO.  Stop.  Go check your facts before you say it.  Now go back and check them again because you're still wrong.

[Rosewind]

lol OMFG I just had a heart leap, I walked past the TV and I stop to wonder why I was hearing Zaeed on the TV turned around to see that he was voicing a character on Spongebob Squarepants lol.

Edit: The VA I mean, it was a drill sargent

Modifié par Rosewind, 04 mai 2012 - 11:49 .