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#50601
SS2Dante

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EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

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balance5050 wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Idk why they wanted the tree their in the first place but if this is a clue then what is it a clue of?

ALSO I remember a thread here a month ago or something where somebody went diving into the game files and found that the foilage on Gilligan's Planet was marked in the files as Dream_something_something.something. if anyone can confirm that and/or find that thread again they'll receave brownier points.


Dead trees in dreams where you're feeling guilt, living tree's during the end when the kid wants you to choose synthesis.

Foliage game files:

http://i.imgur.com/1PpZ2.png 


Well heeeeelllooooo. Has this actually been confirmed? Because, ah...pretty strong evidence right there. Unless you have another dream at some point in the series involving this foliage?


This is End003. These textures are for the planet scene at the end. They are not a part of the levels on the Citadel.


EDIT: Oh I see. Didn't notice that before. Let's dig deeper.


 I know, Epyon. I just mean that this seems to suggest rather strongly that the normandy scene is a dream. Unless of course someone can give me another dream that these assets have been reused from ("Bioware was lazy")?

EDIT: ah cool :P


The texture files is a reused asset at least. It appears in the dream sequences prior.

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How very...helpful?

Lol, I can immediately see the two rationalisations for both side popping up.

#50602
Bm Fahrtz

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blooregard wrote...

Anything new and exciting?



Im new, say hi.

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#50603
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blooregard wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Anything new and exciting?



Not new, but this is ALWAYS exciting.

*snip





I don't believe you or your picture remove your lies from my computer it makes  me sad knowing I don't have that :crying:


Ok.  But this is real.    Recipe

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#50604
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Tirian Thorn wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Anything new and exciting?



Not new, but this is ALWAYS exciting.

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*Drools on keyboard*

#50605
blooregard

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Bm Fahrtz wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Anything new and exciting?



Im new, say hi.




Uh...hi.

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Bm Fahrtz wrote...


Im new, say hi.



Hi! *Waves*

#50607
Tirian Thorn

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Bm Fahrtz wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Anything new and exciting?



Im new, say hi.


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Bm Fahrtz

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[quote]Bm Fahrtz wrote...

[quote]blooregard wrote...

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Im new, say hi.
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Love it. <3

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blooregard wrote...

Anything new and exciting?


Probly not lol

#50610
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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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EpyonX3 wrote...

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Could you give a video or screenshot of that please?



Sorry I do not have a Yutube account and I am all the way back to TIM base without a save game before game end :(

But it is incredibly simple:

Finish your conversation with the Catalyst

Look at the 3 choices fro mthat position

Trun 180 so that you see the compelte opposite

Walk all the way until you hit an invisible wall

Pan your camera around and you will immediately see it (If I am not mistaken is the bottom portion more noticable)



Check this video at 2:45



It does it because there's not texture loaded in that region of the level. It does this everywhere in the game.


I cannot see it in that video, but my point being.. the final scene is incredibly rushed... a wrongly placed reflection map is very minimal at this point...

It is not wrongly placed, just look at it for once.
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As you can see it even has 3 different version where the middle one is the current.


Those are pretty cool although I cannot say I really understand what's going on.

#50611
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Bm Fahrtz wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Anything new and exciting?



Im new, say hi.


Good Bye!!
<--- Never does as told :devil:

#50612
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Rosewind wrote...

Bm Fahrtz wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Anything new and exciting?



Im new, say hi.


Good Bye!!
<--- Never does as told :devil:


Or is it because you're from Bizarro world?

#50613
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Tirian Thorn wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Bm Fahrtz wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Anything new and exciting?



Im new, say hi.


Good Bye!!
<--- Never does as told :devil:


Or is it because you're from Bizarro world?



No I am from Tartarus.

#50614
Tirian Thorn

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Tirian Thorn wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Anything new and exciting?



Not new, but this is ALWAYS exciting.

*snip





I don't believe you or your picture remove your lies from my computer it makes  me sad knowing I don't have that :crying:


Ok.  But this is real.    Recipe

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/Shameless self-bump.


If I were on deathrow - this would be my last meal.  And then they wouldn't have to electrocute or lethally inject me because I'd die of heart failure.  WHAT A WAY TO GO!!


#50615
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Hmm anyway somebody here (on this thread) can go digging through the game files too see if there are any other suspicious looking files? I remember something in the same thread as the dream_Foilage files they OP was looking at other stuff in game and the sound effect that plays when TIM takes control of you (that growl in the background) was called like Reaper_Growl_something_something.

#50616
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blooregard wrote...

Hmm anyway somebody here (on this thread) can go digging through the game files too see if there are any other suspicious looking files? I remember something in the same thread as the dream_Foilage files they OP was looking at other stuff in game and the sound effect that plays when TIM takes control of you (that growl in the background) was called like Reaper_Growl_something_something.



The only game file evidence that I’ve seen is that the “Control” model is labeled as bad_ending

#50617
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Those are pretty cool although I cannot say I really understand what's going on.


Replay the endgame sequence. When you're in the final room with the three choices, look down at the floor. If you can see the reflections of trees, you're indoctrinated.

If you can't: welcome to the thread of the crazy people. :wizard:

#50618
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Destructorlio wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Those are pretty cool although I cannot say I really understand what's going on.


Replay the endgame sequence. When you're in the final room with the three choices, look down at the floor. If you can see the reflections of trees, you're indoctrinated.

If you can't: welcome to the thread of the crazy people. :wizard:



I think Charlie was helping Bioware with the ending...

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#50619
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Tirian Thorn wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Hmm anyway somebody here (on this thread) can go digging through the game files too see if there are any other suspicious looking files? I remember something in the same thread as the dream_Foilage files they OP was looking at other stuff in game and the sound effect that plays when TIM takes control of you (that growl in the background) was called like Reaper_Growl_something_something.



The only game file evidence that I’ve seen is that the “Control” model is labeled as bad_ending



No there was s thread where the OP was digging through the game files and found or more specifiically the end game part of them. Anyway he took a couple screen caps (probably where the picture of that Dream_Foilage is from) and one of them had a list of sounds. Harbinger seemed to have more sounds then LASER LASER LASER and one of the sound effects were something like Reaper_Growl_Indoc or something like that.

#50620
Bm Fahrtz

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Destructorlio wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Those are pretty cool although I cannot say I really understand what's going on.


Replay the endgame sequence. When you're in the final room with the three choices, look down at the floor. If you can see the reflections of trees, you're indoctrinated.

If you can't: welcome to the thread of the crazy people. :wizard:


I just love how much digging people are doing. The dream foliage should be much bigger of a deal than reflections, of trees....    :bandit:

#50621
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I am the Duchess of your Destruction. !!!!

#50622
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Bm Fahrtz wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Those are pretty cool although I cannot say I really understand what's going on.


Replay the endgame sequence. When you're in the final room with the three choices, look down at the floor. If you can see the reflections of trees, you're indoctrinated.

If you can't: welcome to the thread of the crazy people. :wizard:


I just love how much digging people are doing. The dream foliage should be much bigger of a deal than reflections, of trees....    :bandit:




I agree the trees could be mistakes...I don't think Dream_foilage is in the same catagory of the tree reflections.

#50623
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This is the year of Mass Effect Remake.

#50624
Bm Fahrtz

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blooregard wrote...

Bm Fahrtz wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Those are pretty cool although I cannot say I really understand what's going on.


Replay the endgame sequence. When you're in the final room with the three choices, look down at the floor. If you can see the reflections of trees, you're indoctrinated.

If you can't: welcome to the thread of the crazy people. :wizard:


I just love how much digging people are doing. The dream foliage should be much bigger of a deal than reflections, of trees....    :bandit:




I agree the trees could be mistakes...I don't think Dream_foilage is in the same catagory of the tree reflections.


Even more than that, the Control=Bad Ending object is in my opinion one of the better peices of evidence i have seen for many moons.   =]

#50625
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paxxton wrote...

This is the year of Mass Effect Remake.


Wouldn't it be awesome if they remake ME1 with ME3 engine?