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MadRabbit999 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

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Could you give a video or screenshot of that please?



Sorry I do not have a Yutube account and I am all the way back to TIM base without a save game before game end :(

But it is incredibly simple:

Finish your conversation with the Catalyst

Look at the 3 choices fro mthat position

Trun 180 so that you see the compelte opposite

Walk all the way until you hit an invisible wall

Pan your camera around and you will immediately see it (If I am not mistaken is the bottom portion more noticable)



Check this video at 2:45



It does it because there's not texture loaded in that region of the level. It does this everywhere in the game.


I cannot see it in that video, but my point being.. the final scene is incredibly rushed... a wrongly placed reflection map is very minimal at this point...

It is not wrongly placed, just look at it for once.
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As you can see it even has 3 different version where the middle one is the current.


Those are pretty cool although I cannot say I really understand what's going on.

Those are the sides of the cubemaps pasted together by someone. The middle cubemap is used in the game.

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Bm Fahrtz wrote...

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Anything new and exciting?



Im new, say hi.


Hi! Welcome to the ranks :-D

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pirate1802 wrote...

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This is the year of Mass Effect Remake.


Wouldn't it be awesome if they remake ME1 with ME3 engine?


ME3 engine in 2025!? That'd look terrible. Posted Image

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pirate1802 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

This is the year of Mass Effect Remake.


Wouldn't it be awesome if they remake ME1 with ME3 engine?


The gameplay in 3 vs. 1 & 2 is so much better. 

Every class has benefited in 3, but the thing I like most is weapon weight vs. power recharge. 

On adepts I carry a pistol and just do lots of biotic explosions.  Vanguards I carry a Vindicator and just charge, nova and melee the enemy to pieces.    (same tactics in MP) 

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Tirian Thorn wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

This is the year of Mass Effect Remake.


Wouldn't it be awesome if they remake ME1 with ME3 engine?


The gameplay in 3 vs. 1 & 2 is so much better. 

Every class has benefited in 3, but the thing I like most is weapon weight vs. power recharge. 

On adepts I carry a pistol and just do lots of biotic explosions.  Vanguards I carry a Vindicator and just charge, nova and melee the enemy to pieces.    (same tactics in MP) 


On my vanguard I carry a Wraith, whichever SMG strikes my fancy at the time, and a Predator pistol in Single Player. Still have +200% recharge too.

I use the Wraith to take care of Banshees, Atlases, and Harvesters.

I bring the SMG because with ultralight materials it weighs basically nothing, so why the hell not, yknow?

And I bring the Predator, because if I have a Predator with mods on it in my loadout, the Predator I use in cutscenes will look like the one I'm carrying, and I like using the thermal clip mod and the extended barrel mod to make it look like a black pistol with a silencer.

In multiplayer I just use a Carnifex with a scope and armor piercing mods. The scope because it lets me charge slightly farther because I can acquire targets farther away if I zoom, and armor piercing because guardians can be kind of annoying.

I also bring a geth plasma SMG with me in MP, because, again, ultralight makes it weigh basically nothing, so why the hell not.

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byne wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

This is the year of Mass Effect Remake.


Wouldn't it be awesome if they remake ME1 with ME3 engine?


The gameplay in 3 vs. 1 & 2 is so much better. 

Every class has benefited in 3, but the thing I like most is weapon weight vs. power recharge. 

On adepts I carry a pistol and just do lots of biotic explosions.  Vanguards I carry a Vindicator and just charge, nova and melee the enemy to pieces.    (same tactics in MP) 


On my vanguard I carry a Wraith, whichever SMG strikes my fancy at the time, and a Predator pistol in Single Player. Still have +200% recharge too.

I use the Wraith to take care of Banshees, Atlases, and Harvesters.

I bring the SMG because with ultralight materials it weighs basically nothing, so why the hell not, yknow?

And I bring the Predator, because if I have a Predator with mods on it in my loadout, the Predator I use in cutscenes will look like the one I'm carrying, and I like using the thermal clip mod and the extended barrel mod to make it look like a black pistol with a silencer.

In multiplayer I just use a Carnifex with a scope and armor piercing mods. The scope because it lets me charge slightly farther because I can acquire targets farther away if I zoom, and armor piercing because guardians can be kind of annoying.

I also bring a geth plasma SMG with me in MP, because, again, ultralight makes it weigh basically nothing, so why the hell not.


I really enjoy having so many weapon, armor and mod options.  Unlike ME2 where certain weapons were clearly better. 

In M3 they really did a better job making weapons a matter of personal preference as oppossed to certain ones being the clear winner. 

Although Mattock, Black Widow, Paladin and Locust are my favorites.  I don't really like shotguns. 

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I could go on further about why Arrival actually does quite a lot to discredit IT, but it is getting late so that is all for now :)


It actually does nothing to discredit IT as I pointed out earler to you. Object Rho is not the first indoctrination rodeo Shepard has been in.


I'd be interested to hear your reasoning SubAstris.  I think Arrival is one of the strongest cases for IT, given Object Rho's interaction with Shepard


These are my views. First I have already talked about why a developer would be unlikely to put something as important as this outside the main game (you can't really use the same argument that is often used for IT that BW ran out of time here). If this was truly important DLC pivotal to the plot, why wasn't it made free? Expensive DLC alienates a lot of people, not to mention those who don't have internet access. Assuming IT, BW deliberately deprived their audience of key plot material.

In addition, assuming Arrival does play a big part in the indoctrination of one's Shephard, then surely if one didn't complete it (as is taken to be the case if you haven't played DLC) then the experience of the player would be different in ME3. You haven't been exposed in close proximity to Reaper artifacts for that long in actuality, and Arrival would be a very sizeable of part that, so it make sense that your experience of indoctrination would change depending no your proximity to indoctrinating items  Some have said that other events in ME2 could cover for it but that seems to significantly reduce the importance of such an key event which is something that writers tend not to do. I realise that indoc is subtle, but none of the missions in ME2 involving Reaper artifacts have any considerable clues pointing to indoctrination, and therefore the argument that Arrival can be replaced is flawed

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SubAstris wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I could go on further about why Arrival actually does quite a lot to discredit IT, but it is getting late so that is all for now :)


It actually does nothing to discredit IT as I pointed out earler to you. Object Rho is not the first indoctrination rodeo Shepard has been in.


I'd be interested to hear your reasoning SubAstris.  I think Arrival is one of the strongest cases for IT, given Object Rho's interaction with Shepard


These are my views. First I have already talked about why a developer would be unlikely to put something as important as this outside the main game (you can't really use the same argument that is often used for IT that BW ran out of time here). If this was truly important DLC pivotal to the plot, why wasn't it made free? Expensive DLC alienates a lot of people, not to mention those who don't have internet access. Assuming IT, BW deliberately deprived their audience of key plot material.

In addition, assuming Arrival does play a big part in the indoctrination of one's Shephard, then surely if one didn't complete it (as is taken to be the case if you haven't played DLC) then the experience of the player would be different in ME3. You haven't been exposed in close proximity to Reaper artifacts for that long in actuality, and Arrival would be a very sizeable of part that, so it make sense that your experience of indoctrination would change depending no your proximity to indoctrinating items  Some have said that other events in ME2 could cover for it but that seems to significantly reduce the importance of such an key event which is something that writers tend not to do. I realise that indoc is subtle, but none of the missions in ME2 involving Reaper artifacts have any considerable clues pointing to indoctrination, and therefore the argument that Arrival can be replaced is flawed






Next time you get a chance click the link in my sig if memory serves me right when I made that list object rho is just the icing on the icing on the cake.

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Dang, this thread's jumped up quite a bit. Anything new?

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One thing I've been wondering about.

If the end is indeed a hallucination, 'Anderson' on the Citadel would just be a figment of Shep's imagination based on what Shep knows about Anderson, and Shep doesnt seem to know much about Anderson's past, not even knowing he was born in London.

In the cut version of the final talk with Anderson, he mentions how he 'never had a family, Shepard, never had children.'

As far as Shep knows, that is the case, since he has never talked to her about his family or any possible children, but we know for sure he at least had a wife, because at the beginning of Revelation, Anderson goes to get drunk at Chora's Den because his divorce has just been finalized.

The Shadow Broker Dossier on Anderson also kind of implies he has a son:

Intercept 04:23//#12947 - DA - 325
Sender: Cynthia Barris, Atlanta, Earth


David,

Henry and I went to Jason's graduation ceremony in San Francisco today. Such a beautiful occasion! All those gowns and bright spirits. So much potential! I know Henry would frown at the thought, but I couldn't help recalling the pomp around your appointment to the Hastings. You were the second in command, weren't you? The military always did ceremony very well. God, that was a lifetime ago.

Jason says to send his best. I'm so proud of him! "Aerospace Engineer." I don't pretend to understand what he does, but the gleam in his eyes when he is trying to explain his latest designs to me say that he has found his place in this universe. He wanted you to be there, at his ceremony, but I know duty calls. He sees you as a heroic figure off fighting grand battles in space. I hope you can make it for the holidays this year. Henry asked just the other day. I know you don't see eye to eye on much but he respects you. He respects what you do. And you know Jason is over the moon when you can take the time to review his ship designs.
Let me know about the holidays and David, please be careful.


Love,

Cynthia


Now, the REAL Anderson knows he had a wife, and would know if he had a kid or not, but Shepard wouldnt know that, so in her mind the final chat with Anderson mentioning he'd never had a family would have been accurate, but could have been intended as a hint something was off to people familiar with the lore of the ME universe.

Yknow, if they hadnt cut that awesome scene for no damned reason.

Maybe it would've been too obvious a clue?

Modifié par byne, 04 mai 2012 - 03:20 .


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SubAstris wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I could go on further about why Arrival actually does quite a lot to discredit IT, but it is getting late so that is all for now :)


It actually does nothing to discredit IT as I pointed out earler to you. Object Rho is not the first indoctrination rodeo Shepard has been in.


I'd be interested to hear your reasoning SubAstris.  I think Arrival is one of the strongest cases for IT, given Object Rho's interaction with Shepard


These are my views. First I have already talked about why a developer would be unlikely to put something as important as this outside the main game (you can't really use the same argument that is often used for IT that BW ran out of time here). If this was truly important DLC pivotal to the plot, why wasn't it made free? Expensive DLC alienates a lot of people, not to mention those who don't have internet access. Assuming IT, BW deliberately deprived their audience of key plot material.

In addition, assuming Arrival does play a big part in the indoctrination of one's Shephard, then surely if one didn't complete it (as is taken to be the case if you haven't played DLC) then the experience of the player would be different in ME3. You haven't been exposed in close proximity to Reaper artifacts for that long in actuality, and Arrival would be a very sizeable of part that, so it make sense that your experience of indoctrination would change depending no your proximity to indoctrinating items  Some have said that other events in ME2 could cover for it but that seems to significantly reduce the importance of such an key event which is something that writers tend not to do. I realise that indoc is subtle, but none of the missions in ME2 involving Reaper artifacts have any considerable clues pointing to indoctrination, and therefore the argument that Arrival can be replaced is flawed




I thought Arrival was quite important even without IT. I mean, Arrival actually explains why Shepard has been grounded on Earth in the months leading up to the Reaper invasion, which they just skip by in the intro to 3.

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SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I could go on further about why Arrival actually does quite a lot to discredit IT, but it is getting late so that is all for now :)


It actually does nothing to discredit IT as I pointed out earler to you. Object Rho is not the first indoctrination rodeo Shepard has been in.


I'd be interested to hear your reasoning SubAstris.  I think Arrival is one of the strongest cases for IT, given Object Rho's interaction with Shepard


These are my views. First I have already talked about why a developer would be unlikely to put something as important as this outside the main game (you can't really use the same argument that is often used for IT that BW ran out of time here). If this was truly important DLC pivotal to the plot, why wasn't it made free? Expensive DLC alienates a lot of people, not to mention those who don't have internet access. Assuming IT, BW deliberately deprived their audience of key plot material.

In addition, assuming Arrival does play a big part in the indoctrination of one's Shephard, then surely if one didn't complete it (as is taken to be the case if you haven't played DLC) then the experience of the player would be different in ME3. You haven't been exposed in close proximity to Reaper artifacts for that long in actuality, and Arrival would be a very sizeable of part that, so it make sense that your experience of indoctrination would change depending no your proximity to indoctrinating items  Some have said that other events in ME2 could cover for it but that seems to significantly reduce the importance of such an key event which is something that writers tend not to do. I realise that indoc is subtle, but none of the missions in ME2 involving Reaper artifacts have any considerable clues pointing to indoctrination, and therefore the argument that Arrival can be replaced is flawed




I thought Arrival was quite important even without IT. I mean, Arrival actually explains why Shepard has been grounded on Earth in the months leading up to the Reaper invasion, which they just skip by in the intro to 3.




Without Arrival I'd just be staring at my screen thinking "daduq is dis?" because Andersons line for Sheps without Arrival bugs the crap out of me.

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byne wrote...

One thing I've been wondering about.

If the end is indeed a hallucination, 'Anderson' on the Citadel would just be a figment of Shep's imagination based on what Shep knows about Anderson, and Shep doesnt seem to know much about Anderson's past, not even knowing he was born in London.

In the cut version of the final talk with Anderson, he mentions how he 'never had a family, Shepard, never had children.'

As far as Shep knows, that is the case, since he has never talked to her about his family or any possible children, but we know for sure he at least had a wife, because at the beginning of Revelation, Anderson goes to get drunk at Chora's Den because his divorce has just been finalized.

The Shadow Broker Dossier on Anderson also kind of implies he has a son:

Intercept 04:23//#12947 - DA - 325
Sender: Cynthia Barris, Atlanta, Earth


David,

Henry and I went to Jason's graduation ceremony in San Francisco today. Such a beautiful occasion! All those gowns and bright spirits. So much potential! I know Henry would frown at the thought, but I couldn't help recalling the pomp around your appointment to the Hastings. You were the second in command, weren't you? The military always did ceremony very well. God, that was a lifetime ago.

Jason says to send his best. I'm so proud of him! "Aerospace Engineer." I don't pretend to understand what he does, but the gleam in his eyes when he is trying to explain his latest designs to me say that he has found his place in this universe. He wanted you to be there, at his ceremony, but I know duty calls. He sees you as a heroic figure off fighting grand battles in space. I hope you can make it for the holidays this year. Henry asked just the other day. I know you don't see eye to eye on much but he respects you. He respects what you do. And you know Jason is over the moon when you can take the time to review his ship designs.
Let me know about the holidays and David, please be careful.


Love,

Cynthia


Now, the REAL Anderson knows he had a wife, and would know if he had a kid or not, but Shepard wouldnt know that, so in her mind the final chat with Anderson mentioning he'd never had a family would have been accurate, but could have been intended as a hint something was off to people familiar with the lore of the ME universe.

Yknow, if they hadnt cut that awesome scene for no damned reason.

Maybe it would've been too obvious a clue?



That is a very astute observation.  

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Out of curiosity but doesn't a hallucination means Shepard is walking about but imagining things?

While what the IT says, it is that he is unconscious, so is like "dreaming" or something, but not hallucinating because he is not conscious.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Those are pretty cool although I cannot say I really understand what's going on.

Those are the sides of the cubemaps pasted together by someone. The middle cubemap is used in the game.


I think what MA was asking was: how does that translate into the actual game? Obviously those trees aren't actually there as seen in that cubemap when you look out towards the horizon in the actual game, so where are they- how do the contents of the cubemap present themselves in the game itself? 

As I understand it they only looked into the cubemap when someone thought they saw the reflections of the trees on the floor of the catalyst/choice room. Is the cubemap the reference that the game uses to generate reflections?

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Let me start off saying that i like the idea of the IDT, its much better than the face value endings. But, i was replaying ME2, and im sure this has been brought up, when you go to Horizon, you see Harby talking about 'preparing the humans for ascension'. now that doesnt bode well for IDT. it kinda goes along with starbrat. at this point i just want the endings to make sense, even if they are face value. well, thats my two cents right now.

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MadRabbit999 wrote...

Out of curiosity but doesn't a hallucination means Shepard is walking about but imagining things?

While what the IT says, it is that he is unconscious, so is like "dreaming" or something, but not hallucinating because he is not conscious.


Could be he's partly concious but paralyzed and is hallucinating and day-dreaming at one time or on and off.

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MadRabbit999 wrote...

Out of curiosity but doesn't a hallucination means Shepard is walking about but imagining things?

While what the IT says, it is that he is unconscious, so is like "dreaming" or something, but not hallucinating because he is not conscious.


Different versions of I.T. state that he could be walking around. I personally hope he was unconcious the whole time since the Mako crash right before the cconduit run because that makes hte most sense to me.

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SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I could go on further about why Arrival actually does quite a lot to discredit IT, but it is getting late so that is all for now :)


It actually does nothing to discredit IT as I pointed out earler to you. Object Rho is not the first indoctrination rodeo Shepard has been in.


I'd be interested to hear your reasoning SubAstris.  I think Arrival is one of the strongest cases for IT, given Object Rho's interaction with Shepard


These are my views. First I have already talked about why a developer would be unlikely to put something as important as this outside the main game (you can't really use the same argument that is often used for IT that BW ran out of time here). If this was truly important DLC pivotal to the plot, why wasn't it made free? Expensive DLC alienates a lot of people, not to mention those who don't have internet access. Assuming IT, BW deliberately deprived their audience of key plot material.

In addition, assuming Arrival does play a big part in the indoctrination of one's Shephard, then surely if one didn't complete it (as is taken to be the case if you haven't played DLC) then the experience of the player would be different in ME3. You haven't been exposed in close proximity to Reaper artifacts for that long in actuality, and Arrival would be a very sizeable of part that, so it make sense that your experience of indoctrination would change depending no your proximity to indoctrinating items  Some have said that other events in ME2 could cover for it but that seems to significantly reduce the importance of such an key event which is something that writers tend not to do. I realise that indoc is subtle, but none of the missions in ME2 involving Reaper artifacts have any considerable clues pointing to indoctrination, and therefore the argument that Arrival can be replaced is flawed




I thought Arrival was quite important even without IT. I mean, Arrival actually explains why Shepard has been grounded on Earth in the months leading up to the Reaper invasion, which they just skip by in the intro to 3.


It depends if you did Arrival, as far as I know he is being detained for his involvement with Cerberus but also his knowledge of the Reaper threat

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XRAY1975 wrote...

Let me start off saying that i like the idea of the IDT, its much better than the face value endings. But, i was replaying ME2, and im sure this has been brought up, when you go to Horizon, you see Harby talking about 'preparing the humans for ascension'. now that doesnt bode well for IDT. it kinda goes along with starbrat. at this point i just want the endings to make sense, even if they are face value. well, thats my two cents right now.


The word doesn't have to have the one meaning as the Starbrat says, but we know they're making Reapers one way or another but IT believers think Starbrat is a lying sonova**** and is a Reaper itself (at least I do) and the ascension he was referencing to was the Reaper-larva, but that's just a word being used to reference they're being processed.

If that makes any sense.

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byne wrote...

One thing I've been wondering about.

If the end is indeed a hallucination, 'Anderson' on the Citadel would just be a figment of Shep's imagination based on what Shep knows about Anderson, and Shep doesnt seem to know much about Anderson's past, not even knowing he was born in London.

In the cut version of the final talk with Anderson, he mentions how he 'never had a family, Shepard, never had children.'

As far as Shep knows, that is the case, since he has never talked to her about his family or any possible children, but we know for sure he at least had a wife, because at the beginning of Revelation, Anderson goes to get drunk at Chora's Den because his divorce has just been finalized.

The Shadow Broker Dossier on Anderson also kind of implies he has a son:

Intercept 04:23//#12947 - DA - 325
Sender: Cynthia Barris, Atlanta, Earth


David,

Henry and I went to Jason's graduation ceremony in San Francisco today. Such a beautiful occasion! All those gowns and bright spirits. So much potential! I know Henry would frown at the thought, but I couldn't help recalling the pomp around your appointment to the Hastings. You were the second in command, weren't you? The military always did ceremony very well. God, that was a lifetime ago.

Jason says to send his best. I'm so proud of him! "Aerospace Engineer." I don't pretend to understand what he does, but the gleam in his eyes when he is trying to explain his latest designs to me say that he has found his place in this universe. He wanted you to be there, at his ceremony, but I know duty calls. He sees you as a heroic figure off fighting grand battles in space. I hope you can make it for the holidays this year. Henry asked just the other day. I know you don't see eye to eye on much but he respects you. He respects what you do. And you know Jason is over the moon when you can take the time to review his ship designs.
Let me know about the holidays and David, please be careful.


Love,

Cynthia


Now, the REAL Anderson knows he had a wife, and would know if he had a kid or not, but Shepard wouldnt know that, so in her mind the final chat with Anderson mentioning he'd never had a family would have been accurate, but could have been intended as a hint something was off to people familiar with the lore of the ME universe.

Yknow, if they hadnt cut that awesome scene for no damned reason.

Maybe it would've been too obvious a clue?





Interesting. The reason for the cut is ambiguous as hell, of course. Perhaps it was too obvious, perhaps they simply made a mistake and cut it out...speculation!

From an IT interpretation of course the scene is rather interesting. Shepards paragon side lamenting the lack of family and suggesting that Shepard settles down and raises a family...

About Anderson being born in London. Can someone link me to when he says that? I know at one point he says "I was born here and I think I might die here" but he could have been referring to Earth, not London. Can't even remember why it's important for either interpretation, just curious.

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XRAY1975 wrote...

Let me start off saying that i like the idea of the IDT, its much better than the face value endings. But, i was replaying ME2, and im sure this has been brought up, when you go to Horizon, you see Harby talking about 'preparing the humans for ascension'. now that doesnt bode well for IDT. it kinda goes along with starbrat. at this point i just want the endings to make sense, even if they are face value. well, thats my two cents right now.


It just means they want to turn humans into reapers, starbrats lies just happen to fit with what they do. They need organics for fuel and a means to reproduce.

Starkid's reasonings are tacked on to this to seem plausible, but still has the obvious logical flaws that get noticed oh so easily by fine folks like you and me.

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blooregard wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I could go on further about why Arrival actually does quite a lot to discredit IT, but it is getting late so that is all for now :)


It actually does nothing to discredit IT as I pointed out earler to you. Object Rho is not the first indoctrination rodeo Shepard has been in.


I'd be interested to hear your reasoning SubAstris.  I think Arrival is one of the strongest cases for IT, given Object Rho's interaction with Shepard


These are my views. First I have already talked about why a developer would be unlikely to put something as important as this outside the main game (you can't really use the same argument that is often used for IT that BW ran out of time here). If this was truly important DLC pivotal to the plot, why wasn't it made free? Expensive DLC alienates a lot of people, not to mention those who don't have internet access. Assuming IT, BW deliberately deprived their audience of key plot material.

In addition, assuming Arrival does play a big part in the indoctrination of one's Shephard, then surely if one didn't complete it (as is taken to be the case if you haven't played DLC) then the experience of the player would be different in ME3. You haven't been exposed in close proximity to Reaper artifacts for that long in actuality, and Arrival would be a very sizeable of part that, so it make sense that your experience of indoctrination would change depending no your proximity to indoctrinating items  Some have said that other events in ME2 could cover for it but that seems to significantly reduce the importance of such an key event which is something that writers tend not to do. I realise that indoc is subtle, but none of the missions in ME2 involving Reaper artifacts have any considerable clues pointing to indoctrination, and therefore the argument that Arrival can be replaced is flawed






Next time you get a chance click the link in my sig if memory serves me right when I made that list object rho is just the icing on the icing on the cake.


Nice, although it would be more helpful if the amount of time spent at each place could be listed. Merely listing things (some of which I would contend, such as Shepard's implants and EDI to mention at few|) is not entirely helpful

Also I hope to comment on some of these "best" evidence

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I never asked for this. ending.

Modifié par Boradam, 04 mai 2012 - 03:33 .


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balance5050

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Dang Boradam, quick on those replies! You're doing this board proud.

EDIT: lol

Modifié par balance5050, 04 mai 2012 - 03:34 .