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#50701
Rosewind

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You tell them Master Byne

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lex0r11 wrote...

Hellooooo, everything dandy in here?


LEX0R!!!! ./pounce

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byne wrote...

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paxxton wrote...

This is the year of Mass Effect Retake.


More like the slow death of a failed movement...

Summer DLC will be the final blow, and what a glorious sight it will be when that day comes.....

Checkmate.


>Calls Retake a failed movement
>Cant wait for the Extended Cut
>Conveniently ignores that Retake is what got us the Extended Cut


Seriously Minty, you cant be that stupid


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paxxton wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

paxxton wrote...

This is the year of Mass Effect Retake.


More like the slow death of a failed movement...

Summer DLC will be the final blow, and what a glorious sight it will be when that day comes.....

Checkmate.


Someone changed my post. The original stated "This is the year of Mass Effect ReMake." on page 2025.


So wait a minute.

Minty, the one who argues they shouldnt change the endings and sacrifice their artistic vision to suit what the fans wanted, changed your post, sacrificing its artistic integrity, just to suit a point he wanted to make?

Hahahaha oh god Minty is a moron.

*Adds Minty to the list of people I shall no longer acknowledge in any way, right beside Waldstr*

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Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Hellooooo, everything dandy in here?


LEX0R!!!! ./pounce


Hey, was there any cookie madness going on while I wasn't here? ^^

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As long as Bender is showing up. 


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lex0r11 wrote...

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Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Hellooooo, everything dandy in here?


LEX0R!!!! ./pounce


Hey, was there any cookie madness going on while I wasn't here? ^^



Nope :( no sugar this time but I did get to hug Arian!!!

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Tirian Thorn wrote...

As long as Bender is showing up. 


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I vote for that :wub:

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SubAstris wrote...
8) I am using what two sources affliated to BW have said, that Shepard survives on the Citadel


they never actually said that. they just said the citadel was not completly destroid, didnt mention if shepard was on it or not.

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DJBare wrote...

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Yes it was obviously recorded differently, the second video could be an illusion, note I said "could be"


An illusion created by the game or an illusion created by the one recording it? I'm not trying to be an anus, I just hope you understand my skepticism.

The fact that there's no weapon bench in the final area doesn't mean the weapon selection is a clue, that points more towards a gameplay mechanic in my eyes.

There is no weapons bench at that location, how was Shepard able to use a weapons bench that did not exists? 


Maybe it was in another room? 
Maybe Shepard just used some generic surface in the area and the level designers didn't consider it necessary to change the weapon mod screen. Sorry, I'm not seeing this one. It still smells more of a gameplay mechanic than any sort of evidence. Now, if those oscillations were present within the game, that would be another thing entirely.

Don't get me wrong, I still consider myself leaning towards Indoc theory as a plausible explanation for why the endings are what they are. There are strong indicators that were mentioned earlier by someone else, and I'd say most of them are pretty solid. Way back when the original leaks happened months ago, people were already asking if the child seen on Earth was just a hallucination based on how characters interacted with it. I thought it was silly at the time until I saw its role expanded in the actual game. The little "lightning-bolt-to-head" warning signs present in select scenes is also something that feels more deliberate, very "Sixth Sensey" and what I'd consider a clue. Same thing goes for the progression of the dreams.

I just don't like weaker evidence, because I feel it dilutes the standing of the theory as a whole. When people present things like the infinite ammo carnifex (gameplay), noclip Keeper (bug), and even the recent tree reflections (game designers scrapped the actual trees, decided reflections didn't need a fix because they weren't obtrusive) as "strong" evidence, it really does make it look like we're grasping at "emergency induction ports".

Then again, that's what this thread is for: finding strong possible evidence and sorting out the chaff.

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Page 2029? Oh no! If 99942 Apophis passes within a certain distance of the thread on this page, it will come back and destroy it on page 2036!

#50712
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Rosewind wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

As long as Bender is showing up. 


*snip


I vote for that :wub:


You're a brave robot, son. But when I'm in command every mission's a suicide mission.

#50713
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byne wrote...

>Calls Retake a failed movement
>Cant wait for the Extended Cut
>Conveniently ignores that Retake is what got us the Extended Cut


Seriously Minty, you cant be that stupid


I don't think Retake got us the Extended Cut, I think retake made it possible FOR FREE.

Other than that, I think Minty suffers from a terminal case of inflated head syndrome. Have some pity.

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Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

>Calls Retake a failed movement
>Cant wait for the Extended Cut
>Conveniently ignores that Retake is what got us the Extended Cut


Seriously Minty, you cant be that stupid


I don't think Retake got us the Extended Cut, I think retake made it possible FOR FREE.

Other than that, I think Minty suffers from a terminal case of inflated head syndrome. Have some pity.


Yeah, I think Minty called me a deluded Christian last night, which is odd, since I'm an atheist. I think his grasp on reality is very tenuous at best.

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I was once called a medieval witch hunter in here.

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Sorry all, I’m reading Zapp Brannigan quotes and I can’t help but laugh if he were in charge of the final battle. 

Now, like all great plans, my strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it. On my command all ships will line up and file directly into the alien death cannons, clogging them with wreckage.

We know nothing about them, their language, their history or what they look like. But we can assume this. They stand for everything we don't stand for. Also they told me you guys look like dorks.

Zapp:The key to victory is discipline, and that means a well-made bed. You will practice until you can make your bed in your sleep.
Fry: You mean while I'm sleeping on it?
Zapp:You won't have time for sleeping, soldier, not with all the bed making you'll be doing.

We'll just set a new course for that empty region over there, near that blackish, holeish thing.

She's a beautiful ship. Shapely, seductive. I'm gonna fly her brains out.

One day, a man has everything. Then the next day, he blows up a billion dollar space station. And then the next day, he has nothing. Makes you think, huh, Kipp?

We fight this battle not for ourselves, but for our children, and our children's children, which is why I'm forming a children's brigade

Fire all weapons and set a transmission frequency for my victory yodel.

Modifié par Tirian Thorn, 04 mai 2012 - 05:47 .


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 http://i.imgur.com/oY36A.jpg 
 
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Shepard Alive!

Sense of hope!

1. Finale - 2. brave new world - 3. Symbolz

Bomb - Sacrifice self
Reaper - Take control
Hybrid - Blast goes out...

Destroy life -creates a life-

Choice ->Catalyst ->Shepards essence

Forshadow
/|\\
 |
Device -> vague terms
  |
 \\|/
Impacts everything
  |                                  
  |                                  
 \\|/                                 
Reaper anatomy------> Forshadow
  |
  |
 \\|/
Seed by reaper (?) ---> Dive of R (?)
 |       |
 |      \\|/
 |     Weakness for Reaper
\\|/
Chain reaction------->ends conflict-------> Ambigious function


Endings - how do they feel?

End of first Matrix + brave new world

Shepards Death   - Theories about all things <----|They say bomb|

Boy
     But why did he have to die?

LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE!!

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lex0r11 wrote...

I was once called a medieval witch hunter in here.


I've been called a great many names here. Stupid, deluded, conspiracy nutjob, Canadian, just to name a few.

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lex0r11 wrote...

I was once called a medieval witch hunter in here.


*gasp* That would mean . . . you're one of THEM!!

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NOOOOOOO!!!! :crying:

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byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I was once called a medieval witch hunter in here.


I've been called a great many names here. Stupid, deluded, conspiracy nutjob, Canadian, just to name a few.


Canadian?  That's low... 

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You think a Christian more likely to agree with the endings in the current state then the IDT.

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balance5050 wrote...

 
*snip*

Shepard Alive!

Sense of hope!

1. Finale - 2. brave new world - 3. Symbolz

Bomb - Sacrifice self
Reaper - Take control
Hybrid - Blast goes out...

Destroy life -creates a life-

Choice ->Catalyst ->Shepards essence

Forshadow
/|
 |
Device -> vague terms
  |
 |/
Impacts everything
  |                                  
  |                                  
 |/                                 
Reaper anatomy------> Forshadow
  |
  |
 |/
Seed by reaper (?) ---> Dive of R (?)
 |       |
 |      |/
 |     Weakness for Reaper
|/
Chain reaction------->ends conflict-------> Ambigious function


Endings - how do they feel?

End of first Matrix + brave new world

Shepards Death   - Theories about all things <----|They say bomb|

Boy
     But why did he have to die?

LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE!!



I just wanted to write out legibly what was on Mr. Walter's notebook.

I want everyone to notice how everything on this page stems from "Shepard Alive" portion, presumably refering to the "Shepard_Alive" scene.

If anyone sees any mistakes or ways I can improve this let me know.

Also... discuss.

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Tirian Thorn wrote...

Sorry all, I’m reading Zapp Brannigan quotes and I can’t help but laugh if he were in charge of the final battle. 

Now, like all great plans, my strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it. On my command all ships will line up and file directly into the alien death cannons, clogging them with wreckage.

We know nothing about them, their language, their history or what they look like. But we can assume this. They stand for everything we don't stand for. Also they told me you guys look like dorks.

Zapp:The key to victory is discipline, and that means a well-made bed. You will practice until you can make your bed in your sleep.
Fry: You mean while I'm sleeping on it?
Zapp:You won't have time for sleeping, soldier, not with all the bed making you'll be doing.

We'll just set a new course for that empty region over there, near that blackish, holeish thing.

She's a beautiful ship. Shapely, seductive. I'm gonna fly her brains out.

One day, a man has everything. Then the next day, he blows up a billion dollar space station. And then the next day, he has nothing. Makes you think, huh, Kipp?

We fight this battle not for ourselves, but for our children, and our children's children, which is why I'm forming a children's brigade

Fire all weapons and set a transmission frequency for my victory yodel.


Such a fantastic character.

"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards "

and my personal favourite...

"Spare me your space-age techno-babble, Atilla The Hun!"

Modifié par SS2Dante, 04 mai 2012 - 05:52 .


#50724
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Tirian Thorn wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

paxxton wrote...

This is the year of Mass Effect Retake.


More like the slow death of a failed movement...

Summer DLC will be the final blow, and what a glorious sight it will be when that day comes.....

Checkmate.

I can actually visualize you sitting there saying "Make it so Bioware, I want to tell these ****s I told you so, check mate!"



I don't get the line of thinking where people post here just so they can say "I told you so" if IDT is proven wrong...

They never consider how ignorant and lame they will look if THEY are wrong.  But that usually doesn't factor into the thinking of people like that. 

If IDT turns out to be true, they'll say that Bioware changed their minds, that we bribed them, aliens are involved, that Dick Chaney made them do it, or Elvis is really a reaper and this is all misinformation designed to keep the secret that baboons will rise up and be our masters after Snooki's baby is born heralding the sign of the coming of the great apocalypse fortold by Joe the Fisherman...  (how's that for a run on sentence?)


IDT has already been proven false multiple times with actual statment/evidence.

You are now clinging to this theory similarly to how many cling to Christianity. You embrace ignorance and ignore knowledge, like this person:

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Checkmate.




byne wrote...
*Adds Minty to the list of people I shall no longer acknowledge in any way, right beside Waldstr*


How laughable...



As if you have the ability to comprehend a paragraph of observation...

Stick to 30 second Youtube videos, twitter, and the Bible...

If only your parents knew that you spend hours of your day on here accomplishing nothing...

...they must be so disappointed...

Shame....

Oh, happy 2000. Be "proud" lol....

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#50725
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Kyzee wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I was once called a medieval witch hunter in here.


*gasp* That would mean . . . you're one of THEM!!

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NOOOOOOO!!!! :crying:



www.nooooooooooooooo.com/


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