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[BlackDragonBane]

joe1852 wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Guys, please hear the very last part of this video:



The VI was giving away Prothean's intel on the Catalyst DIRECTLY TO SHEPARD, then simply said "Indoctrinated presence detected, activating security protocol"

I don't want to raise senseless hope, but it's pretty much telling, imo.

he was referring to kai leng

Kai Leng was heavily indoctrinated, plus built with Reaper bits.

[lookingglassmind]

krystalevenstar wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Yay, the site is finally back up. Seriously though, all the official twitter's are getting more and more teasing as more people are coming to this conclusion. I'm still saying we'll have an official comment before the end of the week.

If we are right, I want to hug everyone on this thread.

I know right? I was so depressed after I beat the game at 7 am the other day I was in tears most of the day. I felt so betrayed it wasn't even funny, but I'll forgive bioware of that if this is the case. I had no hope in any of this and was even skeptical of this thread initially, but as more and more of us started really analyzing this, it's the only explaination. I will totally 100% for the rest of eternity be part of the BDF after this (Bioware Defense Force XD) I also think that once this comes out Bioware is going to say they felt utterly horrible seeing everyone feel like **** and not being able to say anything :/

Casey Hudson's "Hardest. Day. Ever." twitter comes to mind.

[lil_89]

If this is true, if the indoctrination theory is true, I will fall in love with Mass Effect all over again, seriously! I know some people complain about that it'ss cheap of BW to pull a stunt like that, but I have to admit, if this was the plan all along it is brilliant! Such an epic plot twist. But I do hope the rest of the ending is already in the main game, a new DLC would certainly ****** people off , unless it's free.

[krystalevenstar]

vertibird1 wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Guys, please hear the very last part of this video:



The VI was giving away Prothean's intel on the Catalyst DIRECTLY TO SHEPARD, then simply said "Indoctrinated presence detected, activating security protocol"

I don't want to raise senseless hope, but it's pretty much telling, imo.

He is referring to Kai Leng

We could just be assuming he's referencing Kai Leng. Maybe the VI did sense it in Shepard and shut down coincidentally as Leng showed up.

[Vyrii]

byne wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

I haven't seen a single bit of info to disprove this theory. One thing I have noticed in ME3 a lot:

Renegade Interrupts are actually ones that even Paragons will take. Here's a small list:
-Udina
-Kai Leng's final battle
-Dalatrass
-TIM

I am a full-on paragon. Yet during those scenes, I always took the interrupt on impulse. It was weird. I noticed that there fewer Paragon interrupts in the main storyline than Renegade. Now, look at the Destroy choice: It's Renegade color.

Don't know what it means, but something I wanted to point out.

Devs said early on that the paragon options weren't always the correct options.  At first I thought that this was only refering to the past games, as some things from ME1 and ME2 that you took the paragon route in end up badly in ME3.  However, I do believe that they were refering to the final scene.

It really only makes sense.

What were some things that ended badly if you chose Paragon in ME1 and ME2? 

I actually don't have any that come to mind, I know they were THERE, playing through the first time I kept looking at some things and thinking "I should have taken the renegade option on that one in ME2, or ME1"  Maybe someone else can fill it in.  I'll keep thinking on it.

I've beaten ME1 and ME2 both around 30 times, and I cant really remember any paragon choices that ended poorly.

I mean, even letting a terrorist like Balak go in Bring Down the Sky ended up with me getting the Batarian fleet as a war asset in ME3.

You get the war asset in ME3 anyway, if you let the Batarian go in the docks.
It's not the actual decisions that change, I believe I was looking through the war assets.  Some of the "Updated" one refer to choices made in previous ME games.  Sometimes the Renegade option would have given you more.  I'm trying to get my saved game up so I can confirm, or at least provide an example.

[LenabotSE]

I'm sure the PC edition of disc(s) have all been data-mined by the lovely community for alternate endings and stuff by now.

But, having the 360 version, it feels like I barely ever used disc 2.

[krystalevenstar]

lookingglassmind wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Yay, the site is finally back up. Seriously though, all the official twitter's are getting more and more teasing as more people are coming to this conclusion. I'm still saying we'll have an official comment before the end of the week.

If we are right, I want to hug everyone on this thread.

I know right? I was so depressed after I beat the game at 7 am the other day I was in tears most of the day. I felt so betrayed it wasn't even funny, but I'll forgive bioware of that if this is the case. I had no hope in any of this and was even skeptical of this thread initially, but as more and more of us started really analyzing this, it's the only explaination. I will totally 100% for the rest of eternity be part of the BDF after this (Bioware Defense Force XD) I also think that once this comes out Bioware is going to say they felt utterly horrible seeing everyone feel like **** and not being able to say anything :/

Casey Hudson's "Hardest. Day. Ever." twitter comes to mind.

I believe it was Mike Gamble, but regardless it fits.

[humes spork]

omgBAMF wrote...

Ahh thank you for the link, there are similar trees there.  it just seemed like the tree in the pic was standing out in the middle of the destroyed path and not off to the side.

That tree is new and not in the Conduit rush scene. If it were there, you'd be able to see it above the rubble on Shepard's left as s/he's rushing down the hill. You don't.

The other trees are there, but aren't the key thing. That lone tree is.

Although we'll still have to pay for the DLC ending, likely, I want to believe that they've gone the high roa 

I doubt it. You think the fan rage is pitched right now? Imagine if it comes out you have to pay for the ending to the game you already paid no less than sixty bucks for.

Me, I'm betting it would come down the pike as free DLC via Alliance Network. EA/BW's been pretty quiet about what perks AN members will have, after all, which is uncharacteristic considering they PR'ed the crap out of Cerberus network.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Oh boy, that tweet is god news. At least I know it was after I deciphered it. I swear I'm fifty years older than I am because I don't understand those things with all their @'s and #'s and all that hippity-hop lingo. It's like cracking the Mayan Code for me.

[FugitiveMind]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Can someone give me the Cliff notes on this theory?

Everything after the beam is hallucination?

Cliff note version:

Beam hits, you go flying, nothing after that really happened...

The majority of the discussion began as hallucination, got a dash of dream sequence, and then into indoctrination.

Actually, it began as a shared delusion to rewrite our own headcanon so we could actually play the game again without feeling like there was no point.

Then the crazy  things we were coming up with started making sense and it has kinda snowballed from there

[byne]

vertibird1 wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Guys, please hear the very last part of this video:



The VI was giving away Prothean's intel on the Catalyst DIRECTLY TO SHEPARD, then simply said "Indoctrinated presence detected, activating security protocol"

I don't want to raise senseless hope, but it's pretty much telling, imo.

He is referring to Kai Leng

While I agree that its 99% likely he was referring to Kai Leng, Leng was there the whole time, since he's the one who killed the scientists. Its not like Kai Leng just made it to the temple at that moment.

[G0thicRhino]

lookingglassmind wrote...

MaroonMoore93 wrote...

More news from the Twitter front!

Zach Naizer -
@masseffect Any idea when the debree on earth around the n7 armor is going to be removed?

Mass Effect-
@alaggyhost We have no ETA at this time

I am going to cry.

We were seriously RIGHT, guys. I know it. In my heart.

I don't care, now. You guys can flame me. But I've been with this thread since day one. I wrote one of the first major treatises on the Player Indoctrination Theory.

I know we are right.

Agreed. I've been watching this thread unfold since it popped up. Lurked until about 150 before I decided to throw in some input. 

But to me, this makes sense. And I'm hoping it's the greatest ending of all time.

[GamerrangerX]

i want to believe this thread

[Elmogaming]

Zach Naizer ‏ @ALaggyHost

· Open

@masseffect Any idea when the debree on earth around the n7 armor is going to be removed?
Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

Close

@alaggyhost We have no ETA at this time

Another OMG BIOWARE ARE YOU TEASING US "moment"

[BlackAvalon]

omgBAMF wrote...

There was also the saving of Maelon's research, though I don't know for sure if that would be considered "paragon" or not.

edit- actually, I don't know what the outcome is if you destroyed the research.  Can Mordin cure the genopahge without it? Or will it just take him more time?

Eve (female Krogan) dies if you didn't save the research data, but Mordin still gets the job done.

[FugitiveMind]

LenabotSE wrote...

I'm sure the PC edition of disc(s) have all been data-mined by the lovely community for alternate endings and stuff by now.

But, having the 360 version, it feels like I barely ever used disc 2.

Through Surk'esh and Cerberus Base onward were all D1 for me

Everything else, all the side quests and run into old friends quests and main quests, were all D2 here

[SorrowAndJoy7]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

It's a delusion of the effcts of indoctrination before Shepard breaks free. Catalyst clais EDI and the Geth would die if Destruction is chosen, so Shepard's confused and deluded conciousness will THINK EDI was destroyed when the Normandy escaped.

But we're all pretty sure that Catalyst is lying through its virtual teeth and nothing has happened because this is all part of the indoctrination. When Shepard wakes up, i'm 99% certain the Geth and EDI will be fine simply because Shepard, in reality, never made it to the Citadel and the Crucible in the first place.

I've never had a problem with day one dlc, or things added to the game afterwards... but this whole solution to when Shepard wakes up letting us see what really happened is crazy to me... That isn't extra content being denied to us until a future date, it's the ending to a game we bought being denied to us. That is taking it to a level that I can't really accept as being appropriate for a company and i'd say i'm on the lenient side of post game content. Give us your dlc, give us expansions, give us characters/outfits/whatever later... but don't try to give me the proper ending to the main storyline post launch.

Gotta say, there aren't many things they could do now that would leave me anything but disappointed in the way they approached doing this ending. I almost wish I could go back to the days where I thought it was just a poorly written ending and not an attempt to sell us or give us real answers outside of the original product we paid for which should come with closure the moment you finish it... I love Bioware but this is all coming across in extremely poor taste.

[SandTrout]

byne wrote...

While I agree that its 99% likely he was referring to Kai Leng, Leng was there the whole time, since he's the one who killed the scientists. Its not like Kai Leng just made it to the temple at that moment.

 That is an outstanding point that I hadn't thought about.

[Saile]

The ETA thing..........BEST NEWS. ;_;

[tuzem2]

Look at that:
https://twitter.com/...286746629029889

[foxlockbox]

omgBAMF wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

What were some things that ended badly if you chose Paragon in ME1 and ME2? 

I actually don't have any that come to mind, I know they were THERE, playing through the first time I kept looking at some things and thinking "I should have taken the renegade option on that one in ME2, or ME1"  Maybe someone else can fill it in.  I'll keep thinking on it.

The only Paragon choice I can think of right now in ME2 was Rewriting the Geth. It made it harder for Paragons to broker peace in ME3. 

There was also the saving of Maelon's research, though I don't know for sure if that would be considered "paragon" or not.

edit- actually, I don't know what the outcome is if you destroyed the research.  Can Mordin cure the genopahge without it? Or will it just take him more time?

Eva dies if cure is destroyed in ME2.

[lavosslayer]

  I know this idea might sound weird and be drawing at straws and I know some people have mentioned ideas revolving around this concept before but hear me out:

I was thinking today (While I was working on making my awesome Jack Wallpaper): What if the retrieval of the real Shepard is the secret mission that the VS went on in the second game that Anderson couldn't talk about on the citadel in ME2 and we end up playing a clone of Commander Shepard  after (s)he wakes up from the Indoctrination sequence?

We know that Cerberus was actually successful in retrieving the remains but that doesn't mean that the Alliance couldn't have gotten their hands on a portion of them as well...

Clone's could easily have the memory imprints of the original and be totally oblivious to the truth of their origins.  If Commander Shepard wakes up and ends up dying due to too much trauma to his/her body or mind then (s)he could possibly be cloned to continue the fight...

Just a thought...doubt there is a lot to it but it piqued my interest and got the hamster running...

Modifié par lavosslayer, 12 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[Baronesa]

How the hell did I missed this thread before?

Just finished reading the first one, and not going to read the rest... 200 pages.. but I'm liking it... need to replay that ending part again...

[foxlockbox]

SandTrout wrote...

byne wrote...

While I agree that its 99% likely he was referring to Kai Leng, Leng was there the whole time, since he's the one who killed the scientists. Its not like Kai Leng just made it to the temple at that moment.

 That is an outstanding point that I hadn't thought about.

Its still obvious that the VI reacts immiadetly after KL steps from outside (?) the temple into the range.

[Vyrii]

tuzem2 wrote...

Look at that:
https://twitter.com/...286746629029889

Looks like they're refering more to future Mass Effect games, which there will be, not some DLC or patch to give us the real ending.