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#50726
byne

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SS2Dante wrote...

Such a fantastic character.

"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards "


Linked to a video of the quote!

Videos make everything better!

#50727
SS2Dante

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balance5050 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 
*snip*

Shepard Alive!

Sense of hope!

1. Finale - 2. brave new world - 3. Symbolz

Bomb - Sacrifice self
Reaper - Take control
Hybrid - Blast goes out...

Destroy life -creates a life-

Choice ->Catalyst ->Shepards essence

Forshadow
/|
 |
Device -> vague terms
  |
 |/
Impacts everything
  |                                  
  |                                  
 |/                                 
Reaper anatomy------> Forshadow
  |
  |
 |/
Seed by reaper (?) ---> Dive of R (?)
 |       |
 |      |/
 |     Weakness for Reaper
|/
Chain reaction------->ends conflict-------> Ambigious function


Endings - how do they feel?

End of first Matrix + brave new world

Shepards Death   - Theories about all things <----|They say bomb|

Boy
     But why did he have to die?

LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE!!



I just wanted to write out legibly what was on Mr. Walter's notebook.

I want everyone to notice how everything on this page stems from "Shepard Alive" portion, presumably refering to the "Shepard_Alive" scene.

If anyone sees any mistakes or ways I can improve this let me know.

Also... discuss.




Such a wonderful thing to release.

Also, some of the words at the top have asterisks, as if they have footnotes, which we don't see. Or am I just not seeing it right?

#50728
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MintyCool wrote...

IDT has already been proven false multiple times with actual statment/evidence.

You are now clinging to this theory similarly to how Americans cling to Christianity.


Oh? Care to point us towards said evidence?

#50729
SS2Dante

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*Watches MintyCool try to troll by changing the issue into a religious debate. Hopes no-one is silly enough to take the bait*

Modifié par SS2Dante, 04 mai 2012 - 05:56 .


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Ha Ha Nice one Lex0r and
@Minty there have been tons of people coming on here saying IDT has been proven false with evidence and we ask it every time what the evidence is and they never give us any. So instead of calling us ignorant (btw I am catholic and I do believe in evolution) how about give us that evidence that proves IDT wrong.

#50731
balance5050

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SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 
*snip*

Shepard Alive!

Sense of hope!

1. Finale - 2. brave new world - 3. Symbolz

Bomb - Sacrifice self
Reaper - Take control
Hybrid - Blast goes out...

Destroy life -creates a life-

Choice ->Catalyst ->Shepards essence

Forshadow
/|
 |
Device -> vague terms
  |
 |/
Impacts everything
  |                                  
  |                                  
 |/                                 
Reaper anatomy------> Forshadow
  |
  |
 |/
Seed by reaper (?) ---> Dive of R (?)
 |       |
 |      |/
 |     Weakness for Reaper
|/
Chain reaction------->ends conflict-------> Ambigious function


Endings - how do they feel?

End of first Matrix + brave new world

Shepards Death   - Theories about all things <----|They say bomb|

Boy
     But why did he have to die?

LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE!!



I just wanted to write out legibly what was on Mr. Walter's notebook.

I want everyone to notice how everything on this page stems from "Shepard Alive" portion, presumably refering to the "Shepard_Alive" scene.

If anyone sees any mistakes or ways I can improve this let me know.

Also... discuss.




Such a wonderful thing to release.

Also, some of the words at the top have asterisks, as if they have footnotes, which we don't see. Or am I just not seeing it right?


The asterix's are small circles with numbers in them, which I put in. Next to finale, brave new world, and symbolz right?

#50732
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lex0r11 wrote...

I was once called a medieval witch hunter in here.

That is SO cool. I've been called lots of things but never any thing as cool as a medieval witch hunter. :happy:

#50733
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SS2Dante wrote...

*Watches MintyCool try to troll by changing the issue into a religious debate. Hopes no-one is silly enough to take the bait*


No, no, evidence against the indoctrination theory.  Not of religion -- man, no, please.  We're discussing a piece of science-fiction here.

#50734
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dreamgazer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

*Watches MintyCool try to troll by changing the issue into a religious debate. Hopes no-one is silly enough to take the bait*


No, no, evidence against the indoctrination theory.  Not of religion -- man, no, please.  We're discussing a piece of science-fiction here.


Both are not science fiction? How...

Cute.

#50735
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SS2Dante wrote...

*Watches MintyCool try to troll by changing the issue into a religious debate. Hopes no-one is silly enough to take the bait*


Just report his posts.

First off: He's making atheists look bad; we arent all self-righteous pricks

Second off: Religion is not relevant to the topic

Report for either harrassment or hate speech, I figure he qualifies for both to some extent.

#50736
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Hehehe Pull and Throw best biotic combo

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And what's wrong about Canadians?

#50738
SS2Dante

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balance5050 wrote...

The asterix's are small circles with numbers in them, which I put in. Next to finale, brave new world, and symbolz right?


Yup, think so. Are they clarified on the page? (can't see it once quoted, mind editing the original to include the link as well?)

#50739
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dreamgazer wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

IDT has already been proven false multiple times with actual statment/evidence.

You are now clinging to this theory similarly to how Americans cling to Christianity.


Oh? Care to point us towards said evidence?


I too would like to see evidence on why Indoc Theory is false, rather than the myriad of evidence on "why Christianity is dumb" you seem to be so willing to post.

#50740
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Okay, I'm putting the kibosh on the whole IDT vs. religion vs. delusion right now!

This has no place here. While people may feel free to see symbolism or religious parallels in Mass Effect, NOBODY has the right to insult them for doing, or mock people's beliefs or lack thereof in general. That's bigotry. That's bullying. And I will NOT tolerate that here.

ENOUGH!

Modifié par Kyzee, 04 mai 2012 - 06:02 .


#50741
SS2Dante

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dreamgazer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

*Watches MintyCool try to troll by changing the issue into a religious debate. Hopes no-one is silly enough to take the bait*


No, no, evidence against the indoctrination theory.  Not of religion -- man, no, please.  We're discussing a piece of science-fiction here.


Yep, sorry, my mistake. Edited for correctness :D

#50742
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dreamgazer wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

IDT has already been proven false multiple times with actual statment/evidence.

You are now clinging to this theory similarly to how Americans cling to Christianity.


Oh? Care to point us towards said evidence?


Where is this evidence?


I lost it.  In a volcano. 
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#50743
dreamgazer

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Anyway ... *cough*

Here's a recent, really solid and stripped-down video created by a community member that gathers together all the evidence pointing towards Control and Synthesis being Reaper-minded options ... and Destroy being Shepard's intended goal all along. It's reinforcing stuff already covered, but it's all compacted into a pretty concise and convincing package (albeit, concise = 40 minutes, due to the fact that s/he included full clips of the conversations.)


Modifié par dreamgazer, 04 mai 2012 - 06:04 .


#50744
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I don't mean to feed the troll, but trying to refute other people's belief system is just scummy.

YO MINTY! This quote is for you:

"The fanatical atheists, are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who--in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses'-- cannot hear the music of the spheres." ---Albert Einstein

Modifié par balance5050, 04 mai 2012 - 06:04 .


#50745
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byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

*Watches MintyCool try to troll by changing the issue into a religious debate. Hopes no-one is silly enough to take the bait*


Just report his posts.


When beliefs are challenged with fact and logic the first thing they do...

dig deeper.


Glad to see open discussion is welcome on this board....


Also byne take a lane.

I know I'm superior to you in every possible facet that you can come up with; but if you say you're going to ignore me just because you can't debate facts, then ignore me.

Have some pride and self respect...

Modifié par MintyCool, 04 mai 2012 - 06:12 .


#50746
SS2Dante

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Tirian Thorn wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

IDT has already been proven false multiple times with actual statment/evidence.

You are now clinging to this theory similarly to how Americans cling to Christianity.


Oh? Care to point us towards said evidence?


Where is this evidence?


I lost it.  In a volcano. 
Posted Image



All the laughs.

#50747
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MintyCool wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

paxxton wrote...

This is the year of Mass Effect Retake.


More like the slow death of a failed movement...

Summer DLC will be the final blow, and what a glorious sight it will be when that day comes.....

Checkmate.

I can actually visualize you sitting there saying "Make it so Bioware, I want to tell these ****s I told you so, check mate!"



I don't get the line of thinking where people post here just so they can say "I told you so" if IDT is proven wrong...

They never consider how ignorant and lame they will look if THEY are wrong.  But that usually doesn't factor into the thinking of people like that. 

If IDT turns out to be true, they'll say that Bioware changed their minds, that we bribed them, aliens are involved, that Dick Chaney made them do it, or Elvis is really a reaper and this is all misinformation designed to keep the secret that baboons will rise up and be our masters after Snooki's baby is born heralding the sign of the coming of the great apocalypse fortold by Joe the Fisherman...  (how's that for a run on sentence?)


IDT has already been proven false multiple times with actual statment/evidence.

You are now clinging to this theory similarly to how many cling to Christianity. You embrace ignorance and ignore knowledge, like this person:

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Checkmate.




byne wrote...
*Adds Minty to the list of people I shall no longer acknowledge in any way, right beside Waldstr*


How laughable...



As if you have the ability to comprehend a paragraph of observation...

Stick to 30 second Youtube videos, twitter, and the Bible...

If only your parents knew that you spend hours of your day on here accomplishing nothing...

...they must be so disappointed...

Shame....

Oh, happy 2000. Be "proud" lol....




And here we see Mintycool comparing indoctrination theorists to christianity...

A wonderful specimen of everything that's wrong in the world!

Modifié par estebanus, 04 mai 2012 - 06:05 .


#50748
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llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...
8) I am using what two sources affliated to BW have said, that Shepard survives on the Citadel


they never actually said that. they just said the citadel was not completly destroid, didnt mention if shepard was on it or not.




I have mentioned to a few other people but:

The logic is simple.
1) Patrick Weekes has stated that you should assume all plot-important people survive on the Citadel.
2) Shepard is plot-important.
3) Therefore Shepard is on the Citadel

Also a comment from Jessica Merizan, states explicity that "Shep was on the Citadel"

#50749
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Iconoclaste wrote...

And what's wrong about Canadians?



Duh. Canadians are the wildlings of this universe. 

But seriously, I live in Buffalo. I see and talk to Canadians all the time. 99% of them are more polite than most Americans. Sure they say “eh” a lot and French Canadians ****** me off when they come to hockey games and I can’t tell if they’re insulting me or ordering a beer. But that’s ok. 

Modifié par Tirian Thorn, 04 mai 2012 - 06:05 .


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Kyzee wrote...

 http://openclipart.o.../1269426677.svg

Okay, I'm putting the kibosh on the whole IDT vs. religion vs. delusion right now!

This has no place here. While people may feel free to see symbolism or religious parallels in Mass Effect, NOBODY has the right to insult them for doing, or mock people's beliefs or lack thereof in general. That's bigotry. That's bullying. And I will NOT tolerate that here.

ENOUGH!



QFT.