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[balance5050]

MintyCool wrote...

polor89 wrote...

Are we really comparing RELIGION with the indoctrination theory??

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In fact, Einstein tended to be more critical of debunkers, who seemed to lack humility or a sense of awe, than of the faithful. "The fanatical atheists," he wrote in a letter, "are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who--in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses'-- cannot hear the music of the spheres." 

Modifié par balance5050, 04 mai 2012 - 06:21 .

[dreamgazer]

SS2Dante wrote...

Anyone else got a clue what the drawing is on the paper? Like, maaaybe it's a super crappy drawing of the end room...ish...meh.

Yeah, I think it looks like the panels leading along the walkway.

[Rosewind]

Unschuld wrote...

Rosewind wrote...
I don't think Aethyta is on the citadel any more by that time.

Technically all or none are there. I don't remember it being explicitly stated in the game otherwise. I was just making a point since the argument was weak.

Ahhh okay, well obvious Bailey would be.

[SubAstris]

Unschuld wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...
8) I am using what two sources affliated to BW have said, that Shepard survives on the Citadel

they never actually said that. they just said the citadel was not completly destroid, didnt mention if shepard was on it or not.

I have mentioned to a few other people but:

The logic is simple.
1) Patrick Weekes has stated that you should assume all plot-important people survive on the Citadel.
2) Shepard is plot-important.
3) Therefore Shepard is on the Citadel

Also a comment from Jessica Merizan, states explicity that "Shep was on the Citadel"

1. Could also mean Bailey, The Council, Aethyta (sp?), TIM (if encounter was a hallucination), Aria (don't know if she went anywhere yet), etc. Very open ended statement.
2. Yup.
3.That doesn't state specifically that he's on the citadel.
4*. Jessica Merizan is both proven as stating truth or falsehood when it's convenient for the argument.

1) I realise, it includes all plot important characters on the Citadel, including Shepard
2) If you accept premise 1 &2, then you have to accept the final one

4) ??? Evidence

[fade2black.1337]

balance5050 wrote...

fade2black.1337 wrote...

Actually, even assuming religions to be fiction, very few of them can be called science fiction.

Scientology? Actually started by a sci fi author.

You caught my reference  That's one of the few that can.

[blooregard]

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...


I don't think Aethyta is on the citadel any more by that time.

We should be able to bring Aethyta onboard as our bartender.

She could be play the wise old bartender role and console Tali after Horizon, and she'd make sure Ash doesnt get completely hammered ever again.

Plus she would be able to keep an eye on Liara, which is her job, after all.

That would have actually been a badass idea.

[Unschuld]

MintyCool wrote...
1. Do not feel absolutely certain of anything.

Um, wow... just wow...
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Modifié par Unschuld, 04 mai 2012 - 06:21 .

[SubAstris]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I have mentioned to a few other people but:

The logic is simple.
1) Patrick Weekes has stated that you should assume all plot-important people survive on the Citadel.
2) Shepard is plot-important.
3) Therefore Shepard is on the Citadel

Also a comment from Jessica Merizan, states explicity that "Shep was on the Citadel"

So how long are you going to use paraphrases and PR quotes as your "evidence"?

As long as you do the same, which shall be forever

You are the only one that's been doing it. None of us have done that in weeks.

Haha you clearly don't remember your own posts. I remember you presenting Casey Hudson's comments as evidence of some kind. But of course, they don't count as PR-speak...

[estebanus]

Unschuld wrote...

MintyCool wrote...
1. Do not feel absolutely certain of anything.

Um, wow... just wow...
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I lol'd, too!

[balance5050]

Unschuld wrote...

MintyCool wrote...
1. Do not feel absolutely certain of anything.

Um, wow... just wow...
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

It really is quite humorus. Just drenched in hipocrisy this one is.

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I have mentioned to a few other people but:

The logic is simple.
1) Patrick Weekes has stated that you should assume all plot-important people survive on the Citadel.
2) Shepard is plot-important.
3) Therefore Shepard is on the Citadel

Also a comment from Jessica Merizan, states explicity that "Shep was on the Citadel"

So how long are you going to use paraphrases and PR quotes as your "evidence"?

As long as you do the same, which shall be forever

SubAstris, you're doing it again. We all (or the majority of us at least) agree that Bioware cannot be used as evidence one way or the other. I don't mind you pointing this out to people when they're doing this but implying (repeatedly) that all of us are hypocrites isn't the best way to encourage civil conversation.

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

I have mentioned to a few other people but:

The logic is simple.
1) Patrick Weekes has stated that you should assume all plot-important people survive on the Citadel.
2) Shepard is plot-important.
3) Therefore Shepard is on the Citadel

Also a comment from Jessica Merizan, states explicity that "Shep was on the Citadel"

Sub, thats one hell of a jump from 1 to 3.

You know who else is plot important? Eve/Urdnot Bakara.

Is she on the Citadel too?

What about the Rachni Queen?

What about your squad?

Is Primarch Victus on the Citadel?

Is Admiral Hackett?

[Unschuld]

SubAstris wrote...

1) I realise, it includes all plot important characters on the Citadel, including Shepard
2) If you accept premise 1 &2, then you have to accept the final one

4) ??? Evidence

1) You know what assuming does, right? Shepard is plot important but...

4) Sort through her tweets, and anyone who's used them as evidence. Both sides of the arguement will use it as evidence that she's proved something, or that her statement is a lie, depending on the flavor of the day.

Modifié par Unschuld, 04 mai 2012 - 06:24 .

[MegumiAzusa]

SS2Dante wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

If you look here: all the obvious markers are there, now if you look closer you can see irregularities on the ground where the tree would be because of the irregularities of the leaves, it's even the same pattern.

Oh, wow, I had not seen that image before, I definitely see the tree reflected there now.

I don't know how people can interpret this as anything other than a huge clue pointing towards IT. I mean, this has clearly been designed to be so.

There's another image that's a bit easier to spot as well (or at least I thought so)

Um the current explanation from some people, both IT and not, is that at some point there were meant to be trees in the Crucible (perhaps to make Shepard feel more comfortable or something) but they were removed and Bioware forgot to change the cubemaps.

...which...yeah. Seems to me to be a far bigger leap than BW putting them there deliberately.

I still think they were never really supposed to be seen other then in the reflection.

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I have mentioned to a few other people but:

The logic is simple.
1) Patrick Weekes has stated that you should assume all plot-important people survive on the Citadel.
2) Shepard is plot-important.
3) Therefore Shepard is on the Citadel

Also a comment from Jessica Merizan, states explicity that "Shep was on the Citadel"

So how long are you going to use paraphrases and PR quotes as your "evidence"?

As long as you do the same, which shall be forever

You are the only one that's been doing it. None of us have done that in weeks.

Haha you clearly don't remember your own posts. I remember you presenting Casey Hudson's comments as evidence of some kind. But of course, they don't count as PR-speak...

you realize casey is WAY on top of the bioware food chain right? jessicas not even in it.

so if its a "caseys posts vs jessicas posts".......  

[MintyCool]

balance5050 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

polor89 wrote...

Are we really comparing RELIGION with the indoctrination theory??

Why is this so unreasonable to you?



Instead of living in a hole all your life, try to live by these simple rules. Your life will be much richer...


1. Do not feel absolutely certain of anything.

2. Do not think it worth while to proceed by concealing evidence, for the evidence is sure to come to light.

3. Never try to discourage thinking for you are sure to succeed.

4. When you meet with opposition, even if it should be from your husband or your children, endeavor to overcome it by argument and not by authority, for a victory dependent upon authority is unreal and illusory.

5. Have no respect for the authority of others, for there are always contrary authorities to be found.

6. Do not use power to suppress opinions you think pernicious, for if you do the opinions will suppress you.

7. Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

8. Find more pleasure in intelligent dissent than in passive agreement, for, if you value intelligence as you should, the former implies a deeper agreement than the latter.

9. Be scrupulously truthful, even if the truth is inconvenient, for it is more inconvenient when you try to conceal it.

10. Do not feel envious of the happiness of those who live in a fool’s paradise, for only a fool will think that it is happiness.

In fact, Einstein tended to be more critical of debunkers, who seemed to lack humility or a sense of awe, than of the faithful. "The fanatical atheists," he wrote in a letter, "are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who--in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses'-- cannot hear the music of the spheres." 

Your copy/pasted quote has absolutely nothing to do with my insight. I honestly have no idea what's the point you're trying to make?

Other than you are unable to think critically and only have the ability to post pretentious quotes randomly in hopes of it all making sense...

Trying reading my original post, I feel new perspectives may be beneficial to you.

Modifié par MintyCool, 04 mai 2012 - 06:28 .

[estebanus]

You know what the funniest thing is about Mintycool?

How he acts exactly like a fundamentalist creationist would that he claims to be against.

Seriously, we have piles of evidence that support our cause, just like evolutionists do, but people like him just dismiss our claims because he says it's untrue, without even getting any evidence to support his cause!

How does it feel like being a hypocrite, Minty?

[fade2black.1337]

blooregard wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...


I don't think Aethyta is on the citadel any more by that time.

We should be able to bring Aethyta onboard as our bartender.

She could be play the wise old bartender role and console Tali after Horizon, and she'd make sure Ash doesnt get completely hammered ever again.

Plus she would be able to keep an eye on Liara, which is her job, after all.

That would have actually been a badass idea.

Wasn't Aethyta killed in an explosion? The one that the turian CSec agent and the bartender are having a discussion about? I admit I don't remember well.

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I have mentioned to a few other people but:

The logic is simple.
1) Patrick Weekes has stated that you should assume all plot-important people survive on the Citadel.
2) Shepard is plot-important.
3) Therefore Shepard is on the Citadel

Also a comment from Jessica Merizan, states explicity that "Shep was on the Citadel"

So how long are you going to use paraphrases and PR quotes as your "evidence"?

As long as you do the same, which shall be forever

You are the only one that's been doing it. None of us have done that in weeks.

Haha you clearly don't remember your own posts. I remember you presenting Casey Hudson's comments as evidence of some kind. But of course, they don't count as PR-speak...

Actually it's a notebook page from a brainstorming session from early development, and I'm not using it to prove anything or start a debate. I just wanted to translate it from chicken scratch to something legible.

Forum and twitter quotes are a different category of speculation then handwritten, pre-production notes direct from one of the two people allegedly responsible for the ending.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

You know what the funniest thing is about Mintycool?

How he acts exactly like a fundamentalist creationist would that he claims to be against.

Seriously, we have piles of evidence that support our cause, just like evolutionists do, but people like him just dismiss our claims because he says it's untrue, without even getting any evidence to support his cause!

How does it feel like being a hypocrite, Minty?

>Minty likes the endings
>The endings turn Shepard into Space Jesus
>Minty hates religion

I dont even

[balance5050]

MintyCool wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


In fact, Einstein tended to be more critical of debunkers, who seemed to lack humility or a sense of awe, than of the faithful. "The fanatical atheists," he wrote in a letter, "are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who--in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses'-- cannot hear the music of the spheres." 

Your copy/pasted quote has absolutely nothing to do with my insight. I honestly have no idea what's the point you're trying to make?

Other than you are unable to think critically and only have the ability to post pretentious quotes randomly in hopes of it all making sense.

Trying reading my original post, I feel new perspectives may be beneficial to you.

The point is you're acting like a fundamental.

Modifié par balance5050, 04 mai 2012 - 06:28 .

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

You know what the funniest thing is about Mintycool?

How he acts exactly like a fundamentalist creationist would that he claims to be against.

Seriously, we have piles of evidence that support our cause, just like evolutionists do, but people like him just dismiss our claims because he says it's untrue, without even getting any evidence to support his cause!

How does it feel like being a hypocrite, Minty?

>Minty likes the endings
>The endings turn Shepard into Space Jesus
>Minty hates religion

I dont even

neither do I. Believe me, neither do I...

Unless Minty just likes riling us up!

[llbountyhunter]

MintyCool wrote...

Your copy/pasted quote has absolutely nothing to do with my insight. I honestly have no idea what's the point you're trying to make?

Other than you are unable to think critically and only have the ability to post pretentious quotes randomly in hopes of it all making sense.

Trying reading my original post, I feel new perspectives may be beneficial to you.

ok minty... enlighten us on why we are wrong, point out the flaws. help us "think critically"

[NoSpin]

I can't believe Jessica Merizan is still being mentioned in this thread. I can't believe it. Sub, she doesn't know where Shep is. Nobody at Bioware has clarified anything about the ending. Whether it was PAX, the Weekes interview, all plot important bits are intentionally left vague and no answers are given.

[Rosewind]

fade2black.1337 wrote...

blooregard wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...


I don't think Aethyta is on the citadel any more by that time.

We should be able to bring Aethyta onboard as our bartender.

She could be play the wise old bartender role and console Tali after Horizon, and she'd make sure Ash doesnt get completely hammered ever again.

Plus she would be able to keep an eye on Liara, which is her job, after all.

That would have actually been a badass idea.

Wasn't Aethyta killed in an explosion? The one that the turian CSec agent and the bartender are having a discussion about? I admit I don't remember well.

No she alive you hear that commando lady in purgatory talking about Aethyta sending a commando squad (this after the Cerberus invasion).