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[Tirian Thorn]

SubAstris wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I have a curious question which may get things somewhat back on track:

One of the big arguments I've heard against the theory being incorrect is that people simply don't consider BioWare clever or intelligent enough to implement all these clues and execute something this surreal. However, I'm actually playing Dragon Age: Origins again, and I'm kind of mesmerized at how intricate and well-thought the components of The Fade are -- a partitioned-from-reality, surreal, metaphorical playground -- and how they tie into the story proper. I'm especially talking about the big sequence in the Circle of Magi involving the deeply-layered labyrinth of nightmares that the characters have to navigate.

Question being: Though it involves two writing houses, both Mass Effect and Dragon Age come out of the same creative wheelhouse and involve similar creative channels. Therefore, do you consider The Fade to be viable-enough as a counterpoint to that argument?

I also don't get it with this whole "Bioware isn't smart enough" stuff.

What about KOTOR? Did anyone ever see that plot twist coming? Did anyone actually see the evidence that came before as actual evidence? No, they didn't, because all the evidence that alludes to you being Revan is so subtle, yet it makes so much sense at the same time after the big reveal!

Also, KOTOR was directed by Casey Hudson, who as we all know came up with the Mass Effect series, so no one should say that he's just incompetent!

Admittedly, from memory, it actually said that you were Revan at the end, slightly different

Yes, it is a plot twist, but IDT would be a much larger one. 

Using KOTOR as an example shows that Bioware has made plot twists before and has produced incredible games that have been highly regarded.  To me, this shows that they are not incompetant bumbling baboons. 

And therefore more prone to mistakes, and more unlikely that a developer would dare to do such a thing. I'm not saying they are baboons they just messed up the ending, that's all, the plot from ME2 has not been the most coherent

How is a developer that has made several quality games MORE likely to make a major mistake?  Hubris maybe?


And yes, I am keeping mind Everquest vs. Everquest 2. 

[Simon_Says]

Just report Minty ffs.

[Unschuld]

byne wrote...

But the Shadow Broker file doesnt actually explain who the woman or the two guys she is talking about are. Could have been Anderson's sister and his nephews or just some random close friend for all Shep knows.

I like things that make me go "hmmm..."

I'll have to look into this further.

[SubAstris]

StElmo wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I have mentioned to a few other people but:

The logic is simple.
1) Patrick Weekes has stated that you should assume all plot-important people survive on the Citadel.
2) Shepard is plot-important.
3) Therefore Shepard is on the Citadel

Also a comment from Jessica Merizan, states explicity that "Shep was on the Citadel"

So how long are you going to use paraphrases and PR quotes as your "evidence"?

As long as you do the same, which shall be forever

SubAstris, you're doing it again. We all (or the majority of us at least) agree that Bioware cannot be used as evidence one way or the other. I don't mind you pointing this out to people when they're doing this but implying (repeatedly) that all of us are hypocrites isn't the best way to encourage civil conversation.

I don't see why BW themselves can't be used as a source of information since they write the lore. If BW came out tomorrow and announced IT was true, would you not consider that strong evidence (or even proof) for IT? 

btw, I wasn't implying it for you

Dude, they are in PR mode, we don't know WHAT is true.


Also remember what they told us prior to release? they are proven to not be exactly reliable.

These aren't exactly PR statements, more statements of facts in-game. It is not a promise like, "ME3 will be more exciting and enthralling than all the other games combined" (I'm just making this up I know). They could have both said "wait till DLC" but that didn't happen

[Tirian Thorn]

estebanus wrote...

Aw crap, now we've got 2 trolls here!

TROLLING PRESENCES DETECTED. ACTIVATING SECURITY PROTOCOLS.

Darn. I keep forgetting to lock the gate. That’s how they’re getting in. 
 
That and the HUGE HOLE IN THE WALL left by Hulk. 

[MegumiAzusa]

MintyCool wrote...

estebanus wrote...

You know what the funniest thing is about Mintycool?

How he acts exactly like a fundamentalist creationist would that he claims to be against.

She.

How important...

[llbountyhunter]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

estebanus wrote...

You know what the funniest thing is about Mintycool?

How he acts exactly like a fundamentalist creationist would that he claims to be against.

She.

How important...

hes a disgrace to females everywhere.

[NoSpin]

SubAstris wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

I can't believe Jessica Merizan is still being mentioned in this thread. I can't believe it. Sub, she doesn't know where Shep is. Nobody at Bioware has clarified anything about the ending. Whether it was PAX, the Weekes interview, all plot important bits are intentionally left vague and no answers are given.

How is "all plot important on the Citadel survive" and "Shep is on the Citadel" vague exactly? You assert that she doesn't know, yet gave a definitive answer and is linked to BW

Merizan is a community manager. She works the bloody twitter accounts and the forum. She does not know if Shep is on the citadel. She does not know. Really. She could be right, but like everyone else she has a 50% of being so. He either is or isn't.

The second point all plot important characters surviving on the citadel is more realistic. Bioware is just stating that nobody was killed offscreen. Nowhere do they say the citadel actually exploded. I take that as, the reapers control the citadel, but nobody important inside has died yet.

[MegumiAzusa]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Totally unrelated.

Quick guys, I'm starting my first real Femshep playthrough wit ME1. What class besides the soldier this time?

Vanguard through all three games.

Liara romance in ME1. Try to romance Samara in ME2. Fail. Romance Liara in LotSB and continue the romance in ME3.

You'll be just like me!

And like me!

Always Adept (best class )
And there is no one but Liara.

[SubAstris]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I have a curious question which may get things somewhat back on track:

One of the big arguments I've heard against the theory being incorrect is that people simply don't consider BioWare clever or intelligent enough to implement all these clues and execute something this surreal. However, I'm actually playing Dragon Age: Origins again, and I'm kind of mesmerized at how intricate and well-thought the components of The Fade are -- a partitioned-from-reality, surreal, metaphorical playground -- and how they tie into the story proper. I'm especially talking about the big sequence in the Circle of Magi involving the deeply-layered labyrinth of nightmares that the characters have to navigate.

Question being: Though it involves two writing houses, both Mass Effect and Dragon Age come out of the same creative wheelhouse and involve similar creative channels. Therefore, do you consider The Fade to be viable-enough as a counterpoint to that argument?

I also don't get it with this whole "Bioware isn't smart enough" stuff.

What about KOTOR? Did anyone ever see that plot twist coming? Did anyone actually see the evidence that came before as actual evidence? No, they didn't, because all the evidence that alludes to you being Revan is so subtle, yet it makes so much sense at the same time after the big reveal!

Also, KOTOR was directed by Casey Hudson, who as we all know came up with the Mass Effect series, so no one should say that he's just incompetent!

Admittedly, from memory, it actually said that you were Revan at the end, slightly different

Yes, it is a plot twist, but IDT would be a much larger one. 

Using KOTOR as an example shows that Bioware has made plot twists before and has produced incredible games that have been highly regarded.  To me, this shows that they are not incompetant bumbling baboons. 

And therefore more prone to mistakes, and more unlikely that a developer would dare to do such a thing. I'm not saying they are baboons they just messed up the ending, that's all, the plot from ME2 has not been the most coherent

How is a developer that has made several quality games MORE likely to make a major mistake?  Hubris maybe?


And yes, I am keeping mind Everquest vs. Everquest 2. 

More likely to make a mistake if they have a more convoluted plot than a standard plot twist, yes

[polor89]

guys real quick the voice actor of kaidan just called back to record lines for ME3 and they already have called others ... good huh?

[lex0r11]

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Totally unrelated.

Quick guys, I'm starting my first real Femshep playthrough wit ME1. What class besides the soldier this time?

Vanguard through all three games.

Liara romance in ME1. Try to romance Samara in ME2. Fail. Romance Liara in LotSB and continue the romance in ME3.

You'll be just like me!

Is that close enough to default Femshep?

[estebanus]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Totally unrelated.

Quick guys, I'm starting my first real Femshep playthrough wit ME1. What class besides the soldier this time?

Vanguard through all three games.

Liara romance in ME1. Try to romance Samara in ME2. Fail. Romance Liara in LotSB and continue the romance in ME3.

You'll be just like me!

And like me!

Always Adept (best class )
And there is no one but Liara.

Adept is my 2nd favourite class, then comes infiltrator.

And YES! No one but Liara has been romanced in all 8 of my Shepards! She's just too cute and adorable!

[estebanus]

polor89 wrote...

guys real quick the voice actor of kaidan just called back to record lines for ME3 and they already have called others ... good huh?

Link?

[MegumiAzusa]

polor89 wrote...

guys real quick the voice actor of kaidan just called back to record lines for ME3 and they already have called others ... good huh?

I would say it would be most important to know if Meer, Hale, and Sheen get new lines.

[SubAstris]

NoSpin wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

I can't believe Jessica Merizan is still being mentioned in this thread. I can't believe it. Sub, she doesn't know where Shep is. Nobody at Bioware has clarified anything about the ending. Whether it was PAX, the Weekes interview, all plot important bits are intentionally left vague and no answers are given.

How is "all plot important on the Citadel survive" and "Shep is on the Citadel" vague exactly? You assert that she doesn't know, yet gave a definitive answer and is linked to BW

Merizan is a community manager. She works the bloody twitter accounts and the forum. She does not know if Shep is on the citadel. She does not know. Really. She could be right, but like everyone else she has a 50% of being so. He either is or isn't.

The second point all plot important characters surviving on the citadel is more realistic. Bioware is just stating that nobody was killed offscreen. Nowhere do they say the citadel actually exploded. I take that as, the reapers control the citadel, but nobody important inside has died yet.

She is a community manager, yes, but she also has a lot more access to BW than anyone else here has. She has seen parts of the EC, for example. She works as an intermediatory between us and BW; they tell what information she can and cannot divulge. She divulged this information. Therefore we can assume that BW says this is true.

[Kyzee]

 Okay, off-topic, but this latest round of blatant disrespect has really gotten under my skin. As such, I'm linking the Extra Creditz episode on Harassment, and I'd encourage everyone to watch it. It's not about trolling, but I find it to be nonetheless relevant

http://www.penny-arc...sode/harassment

But for those of you who don't for whatever reasons, I'd like to at least quote one part of the episode:

"People who do this, the people who spew out torrents of unmitigated hate, don't want dialogue. And they don't do it out of ignorance, either. They want attention. Somewhere, something has gone so wrong in their lives that they desperately need people to pay attention to them. They need to feel important and powerful because they lack that in their real lives, and they found that they can get that by hurting people in an environment where there are literally no consequences for them. Right now, it's as if we gave the school bully access to the intercom system, and told him that everyone would hear whatever he wanted to say. It's time we took away that megaphone."

Yes, report people who are being aggressively insulting. But moreover, as many people have said, DO NOT ENGAGE THEM. There's no point, and all you're doing is encouraging them. Ignore them, deny them the attention they are seeking, and they will go away..

Once again, folks, it's not much to ask for to be mature and to treat one another with respect. Please, enough with the insults and the attacks on religion/atheism. We're better than this. Stop.

Modifié par Kyzee, 04 mai 2012 - 07:09 .

[Unschuld]

Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

But the Shadow Broker file doesnt actually explain who the woman or the two guys she is talking about are. Could have been Anderson's sister and his nephews or just some random close friend for all Shep knows.

I like things that make me go "hmmm..."

I'll have to look into this further.

Requoting so I don't get lost in the sauce.

I never read Revelations (or any of the novels, actually) because I thought they would give me too much insight into what Shepard could/couldn't know because I like to keep my playthoughs pure, and reactionary only to things I've experienced in game. Shepard knowing Anderson has a family (HAD a wife)? Dunno, that could be up for debate. Assuming they didn't talk about personal lives off-camera, that's certainly possible, and what I'd call a clue. Either way (strong clue or writing inconsistency), that at least gives strong evidence as to why that scene was cut short. Previously, I thought the only reasons were that it was considered too protracted and didn't fit withing the timeframe of the "I'm Proud of You" portion of the soundtrack.

Again, good catch. 

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

And therefore more prone to mistakes, and more unlikely that a developer would dare to do such a thing. I'm not saying they are baboons they just messed up the ending, that's all, the plot from ME2 has not been the most coherent

Wut? your reply seems very disconnected to what was said, how would them pulling of awesome twists in the past make them more prone to mistakes?

Also, 3 developers have dared to do such a thing besides bioware; Ubisoft, Square-Enix, and Capcom.

You could throw in Bethesda (Broken Steel) if you want because I'm not convinced they weren't working on that before the release either.

Modifié par balance5050, 04 mai 2012 - 07:00 .

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

I can't believe Jessica Merizan is still being mentioned in this thread. I can't believe it. Sub, she doesn't know where Shep is. Nobody at Bioware has clarified anything about the ending. Whether it was PAX, the Weekes interview, all plot important bits are intentionally left vague and no answers are given.

How is "all plot important on the Citadel survive" and "Shep is on the Citadel" vague exactly? You assert that she doesn't know, yet gave a definitive answer and is linked to BW

Merizan is a community manager. She works the bloody twitter accounts and the forum. She does not know if Shep is on the citadel. She does not know. Really. She could be right, but like everyone else she has a 50% of being so. He either is or isn't.

The second point all plot important characters surviving on the citadel is more realistic. Bioware is just stating that nobody was killed offscreen. Nowhere do they say the citadel actually exploded. I take that as, the reapers control the citadel, but nobody important inside has died yet.

She is a community manager, yes, but she also has a lot more access to BW than anyone else here has. She has seen parts of the EC, for example. She works as an intermediatory between us and BW; they tell what information she can and cannot divulge. She divulged this information. Therefore we can assume that BW says this is true.

and the quotes your talking about came before she said anything about taking a look a EC, show us a quote where she says shepard in on the citadel AFTER she looked a EC

[byne]

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Totally unrelated.

Quick guys, I'm starting my first real Femshep playthrough wit ME1. What class besides the soldier this time?

Vanguard through all three games.

Liara romance in ME1. Try to romance Samara in ME2. Fail. Romance Liara in LotSB and continue the romance in ME3.

You'll be just like me!

Is that close enough to default Femshep?

Dunno, I used the default femshep look in ME1, and then randomly chose this face in ME2 and a modified version of it in ME3.

I think it looks better in game than it does in the picture from the link.

Plus I dislike ME3's default femshep.

Doesnt look at all like what I voted for.

Modifié par byne, 04 mai 2012 - 07:02 .

[Unschuld]

llbountyhunter wrote...

hes a disgrace to females everywhere.

Lol.

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

I can't believe Jessica Merizan is still being mentioned in this thread. I can't believe it. Sub, she doesn't know where Shep is. Nobody at Bioware has clarified anything about the ending. Whether it was PAX, the Weekes interview, all plot important bits are intentionally left vague and no answers are given.

How is "all plot important on the Citadel survive" and "Shep is on the Citadel" vague exactly? You assert that she doesn't know, yet gave a definitive answer and is linked to BW

Merizan is a community manager. She works the bloody twitter accounts and the forum. She does not know if Shep is on the citadel. She does not know. Really. She could be right, but like everyone else she has a 50% of being so. He either is or isn't.

The second point all plot important characters surviving on the citadel is more realistic. Bioware is just stating that nobody was killed offscreen. Nowhere do they say the citadel actually exploded. I take that as, the reapers control the citadel, but nobody important inside has died yet.

She is a community manager, yes, but she also has a lot more access to BW than anyone else here has. She has seen parts of the EC, for example. She works as an intermediatory between us and BW; they tell what information she can and cannot divulge. She divulged this information. Therefore we can assume that BW says this is true.

Do you think that control is possible because a recent tweet from jessica says it isn't. SHE ISN"T A GOOD SOURCE BRO.

[Unschuld]

lex0r11 wrote...

Is that close enough to default Femshep?

Default ME3 femshep has a stronger, more square-shaped jawline.

[polor89]

estebanus wrote...

polor89 wrote...

guys real quick the voice actor of kaidan just called back to record lines for ME3 and they already have called others ... good huh?

Link?

i dont have a link just go here http://social.biowar...8/1409#11867757 in page 1409