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[Tirian Thorn]

Kyzee wrote...

 Okay, off-topic, but this latest round of blatant disrespect has really gotten under my skin. As such, I'm linking the Extra Creditz episode on Harassment, and I'd encourage everyone to watch it. It's not about trolling, but I find it to be nonetheless relevant

http://www.penny-arc...sode/harassment

But for those of you who don't for whatever reasons, I'd like to at least quote one part of the episode:

"People who do this, the people who spew out torrents of unmitigated hate, don't want dialogue. And they don't do it out of ignorance, either. They want attention. Somewhere, something has gone so wrong in their lives that they desperately need people to pay attention to them. They need to feel important and powerful because they lack that in their real lives, and they found that they can get that by hurting people in an environment where there are literal no consequences for them. Right now, it's as if we gave the school bully access to the intercom system, and told him that everyone would hear whatever he wanted to say. It's time we took away that megaphone."

Yes, report people who are being aggressively insulting. But moreover, as many people have said, DO NOT ENGAGE THEM. There's no point, and all you're doing is encouraging them. Ignore them, deny them the attention they are seeking, and they will go away..

Once again, folks, it's not much to ask for to be mature and to treat one another with respect. Please, enough with the insults and the attacks on religion/atheism. We're better than this. Stop.

+1

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...


She is a community manager, yes, but she also has a lot more access to BW than anyone else here has. She has seen parts of the EC, for example. She works as an intermediatory between us and BW; they tell what information she can and cannot divulge. She divulged this information. Therefore we can assume that BW says this is true.

Jessica supports Indoctrination Theory for at least one of her save files. Going by your logic, we can thusly assume Indoctrination Theory is true.

Thank you for proving IT, Sub.

Appreciate it.

[paxxton]

2036. Now we're doomed. This time for real. Apophis fell.
Maybe the Protheans will deflect it.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 mai 2012 - 07:28 .

[SubAstris]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

And therefore more prone to mistakes, and more unlikely that a developer would dare to do such a thing. I'm not saying they are baboons they just messed up the ending, that's all, the plot from ME2 has not been the most coherent

Wut? your reply seems very disconnected to what was said, how would them pulling of awesome twists in the past make them more prone to mistakes?

Also, 3 developers have dared to do such a thing besides bioware; Ubisoft, Square-Enix, and Capcom.

You could throw in Bethesda (Broken Steel) if you want because I'm not convinced they weren't working on that before the release either.

Sorry if that was what you thought implied. I'm basically saying it is much harder to pull over more convoluted plots

[lex0r11]

Unschuld wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Is that close enough to default Femshep?

Default ME3 femshep has a stronger, more square-shaped jawline.

Which one do you mean? The new one?

Here it is for ME2:
masseffect2faces.com/index.php


Sorry for off topic.

Modifié par lex0r11, 04 mai 2012 - 07:09 .

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


She is a community manager, yes, but she also has a lot more access to BW than anyone else here has. She has seen parts of the EC, for example. She works as an intermediatory between us and BW; they tell what information she can and cannot divulge. She divulged this information. Therefore we can assume that BW says this is true.

Jessica supports Indoctrination Theory for at least one of her save files. Going by your logic, we can thusly assume Indoctrination Theory is true.

Thank you for proving IT, Sub.

Appreciate it.

Er, what?

[Tirian Thorn]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

And therefore more prone to mistakes, and more unlikely that a developer would dare to do such a thing. I'm not saying they are baboons they just messed up the ending, that's all, the plot from ME2 has not been the most coherent

Wut? your reply seems very disconnected to what was said, how would them pulling of awesome twists in the past make them more prone to mistakes?

Also, 3 developers have dared to do such a thing besides bioware; Ubisoft, Square-Enix, and Capcom.

You could throw in Bethesda (Broken Steel) if you want because I'm not convinced they weren't working on that before the release either.

Sorry if that was what you thought implied. I'm basically saying it is much harder to pull over more convoluted plots

On THIS I think we can all agree:

Whatever Bioware's intentions were for the ending; they have greatly angered some of their most loyal and diehard fans. 

And if EC doesn't deliver a clear, concise and logical ending, then I think they're going to lose those loyal customers.  And artistic integrity doesn't always pay the bills. 

[Unschuld]

SubAstris wrote...

Er, what?

She's/he's/idon'tknow'sbyne's turning your logic against you.

Modifié par Unschuld, 04 mai 2012 - 07:21 .

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I have mentioned to a few other people but:

The logic is simple.
1) Patrick Weekes has stated that you should assume all plot-important people survive on the Citadel.
2) Shepard is plot-important.
3) Therefore Shepard is on the Citadel

Also a comment from Jessica Merizan, states explicity that "Shep was on the Citadel"

So how long are you going to use paraphrases and PR quotes as your "evidence"?

As long as you do the same, which shall be forever

SubAstris, you're doing it again. We all (or the majority of us at least) agree that Bioware cannot be used as evidence one way or the other. I don't mind you pointing this out to people when they're doing this but implying (repeatedly) that all of us are hypocrites isn't the best way to encourage civil conversation.

I don't see why BW themselves can't be used as a source of information since they write the lore. If BW came out tomorrow and announced IT was true, would you not consider that strong evidence (or even proof) for IT? 

btw, I wasn't implying it for you

I know, and I don't think you're being mean-sprited, but that's just how it comes off a lot of the time.

Ok, about Bioware. You'll have to admit that, under the presumption of IT, the ending is a twist, and will be released as a twist. Therefore they cannot spoil it. So any vague comments they make about the ending are immaterial, content is what will speak. Strong statements like "IT is false" would also definitely make me reconsider, (because at that point they would have to be outright lying for IT to be true and that's unlikely).

Don't get me wrong, if the EC comes out and it's not IT then that's pretty much me convinced that IT is simply an interpretation.

This is why we allow discussion of stuff like the Final Hours app or quotes made before release, because they weren't tailored to address the ending controversy.

 

[dreamgazer]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


She is a community manager, yes, but she also has a lot more access to BW than anyone else here has. She has seen parts of the EC, for example. She works as an intermediatory between us and BW; they tell what information she can and cannot divulge. She divulged this information. Therefore we can assume that BW says this is true.

Jessica supports Indoctrination Theory for at least one of her save files. Going by your logic, we can thusly assume Indoctrination Theory is true.

Thank you for proving IT, Sub.

Appreciate it.

[SubAstris]

Unschuld wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Er, what?

She's/he's/idon'tknow's turning your logic against you.

No, I would her byne to say how she knows this. Last time I remember, Merizan said she had destroy not based on IT, but I could be wrong

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


She is a community manager, yes, but she also has a lot more access to BW than anyone else here has. She has seen parts of the EC, for example. She works as an intermediatory between us and BW; they tell what information she can and cannot divulge. She divulged this information. Therefore we can assume that BW says this is true.

Jessica supports Indoctrination Theory for at least one of her save files. Going by your logic, we can thusly assume Indoctrination Theory is true.

Thank you for proving IT, Sub.

Appreciate it.

Er, what?

Jessica said, in response to someone asking something about IT, that she had a playthrough dedicated to indoctrination theory. Not using this as evidence for IT, simply pointing out that her tweets are practically designed to be contradictory. I'll try find the tweet but by the time posting this I bet someone already has

https://twitter.com/...956540655935488 

Modifié par SS2Dante, 04 mai 2012 - 07:22 .

[dreamgazer]

polor89 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

polor89 wrote...

guys real quick the voice actor of kaidan just called back to record lines for ME3 and they already have called others ... good huh?

Link?

i dont have a link just go here http://social.biowar...8/1409#11867757 in page 1409

[SS2Dante]

dreamgazer wrote...

polor89 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

polor89 wrote...

guys real quick the voice actor of kaidan just called back to record lines for ME3 and they already have called others ... good huh?

Link?

i dont have a link just go here http://social.biowar...8/1409#11867757 in page 1409

*Shrug* That works for both literal and IT.

Good to know that it'll at least be pretty fleshed out, regardless

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Er, what?

She's/he's/idon'tknow's turning your logic against you.

No, I would her byne to say how she knows this. Last time I remember, Merizan said she had destroy not based on IT, but I could be wrong

First off, I'm a male, not a female, but I guess my avatar could confuse you.

Second, while I dont recall the exact tweet where she said one of her saves was devoted to IT, I can at least direct you to this tweet.

She at the very least agrees with our explanation of godchild.

Edit: Apparently Dante found the tweet I was referencing. Nicely done!

Modifié par byne, 04 mai 2012 - 07:28 .

[MintyCool]

MintyCool wrote...

1. Do not feel absolutely certain of anything.

2. Do not think it worth while to proceed by concealing evidence, for the evidence is sure to come to light.

3. Never try to discourage thinking for you are sure to succeed.

4. When you meet with opposition, even if it should be from your husband or your children, endeavor to overcome it by argument and not by authority, for a victory dependent upon authority is unreal and illusory.

5. Have no respect for the authority of others, for there are always contrary authorities to be found.

6. Do not use power to suppress opinions you think pernicious, for if you do the opinions will suppress you.

7. Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

8. Find more pleasure in intelligent dissent than in passive agreement, for, if you value intelligence as you should, the former implies a deeper agreement than the latter.

9. Be scrupulously truthful, even if the truth is inconvenient, for it is more inconvenient when you try to conceal it.

10. Do not feel envious of the happiness of those who live in a fool’s paradise, for only a fool will think that it is happiness.

I know,

I'm quite the impressive Mint.

Tirian Thorn wrote...
I am thoroughly unimpressed by everything you have said or done here. Your tone and attitude is highly combative and antagonistic. You do not engage in any sort of civil discussion nor you accept viewpoints that are contrary to your own. Guess what – that’s life. There are thousands upon thousands of different viewpoints. And if your reaction to those viewpoints is to belittle and demean people who don’t subscribe to your world view then you are going to have a very hard time in life. 

You seem frustrated with the fact that the evidence against IDT in overwhelmingly in my favor. The only person that seems hostile is you...

I try to always remain civil, I feel your angst is a coping mechanism that's covering the truth...

Obtain a new perspective mate...

Modifié par MintyCool, 04 mai 2012 - 07:40 .

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I have a curious question which may get things somewhat back on track:

One of the big arguments I've heard against the theory being incorrect is that people simply don't consider BioWare clever or intelligent enough to implement all these clues and execute something this surreal. However, I'm actually playing Dragon Age: Origins again, and I'm kind of mesmerized at how intricate and well-thought the components of The Fade are -- a partitioned-from-reality, surreal, metaphorical playground -- and how they tie into the story proper. I'm especially talking about the big sequence in the Circle of Magi involving the deeply-layered labyrinth of nightmares that the characters have to navigate.

Question being: Though it involves two writing houses, both Mass Effect and Dragon Age come out of the same creative wheelhouse and involve similar creative channels. Therefore, do you consider The Fade to be viable-enough as a counterpoint to that argument?

I also don't get it with this whole "Bioware isn't smart enough" stuff.

What about KOTOR? Did anyone ever see that plot twist coming? Did anyone actually see the evidence that came before as actual evidence? No, they didn't, because all the evidence that alludes to you being Revan is so subtle, yet it makes so much sense at the same time after the big reveal!

Also, KOTOR was directed by Casey Hudson, who as we all know came up with the Mass Effect series, so no one should say that he's just incompetent!

Admittedly, from memory, it actually said that you were Revan at the end, slightly different

Yes, it is a plot twist, but IDT would be a much larger one. 

Using KOTOR as an example shows that Bioware has made plot twists before and has produced incredible games that have been highly regarded.  To me, this shows that they are not incompetant bumbling baboons. 

And therefore more prone to mistakes, and more unlikely that a developer would dare to do such a thing. I'm not saying they are baboons they just messed up the ending, that's all, the plot from ME2 has not been the most coherent

How is a developer that has made several quality games MORE likely to make a major mistake?  Hubris maybe?


And yes, I am keeping mind Everquest vs. Everquest 2. 

More likely to make a mistake if they have a more convoluted plot than a standard plot twist, yes

Wait, Sub, you're not making sense. You're saying that IT did NOT happen, so why are you arguing that it was IT that caused all the weird stuff to happen? 

[byne]

MintyCool wrote...

You seem frustrated with the fact that the evidence against IDT in overwhelmingly in my favor. The only person that seems hostile is you...

I try to always remain civil, I feel your frustration is a coping mechanism that is covering the truth.

Try to obtain a new perspective mate.

"I have tons of evidence proving IT wrong! Its all my little secret though, so I shan't show it to you!" - Minty in a nutshell.

[lex0r11]

Femshep Vanguard it is.



Renegade or Paragon?

[llbountyhunter]

MintyCool wrote...

You seem frustrated with the fact that the evidence against IDT in overwhelmingly in my favor. The only person that seems hostile is you...

I try to always remain civil, I feel your frustration is a coping mechanism that's smudging the truth you wish to not see...

Obtain a new perspective mate...

[Unschuld]

lex0r11 wrote...

Femshep Vanguard it is.

Renegade or Paragon?

On the rag, full playthough.

[SS2Dante]

People. For the last. Goddamn. Time.

STOP replying to Minty, quoting Minty, or otherwise admitting that this poster exists.

[byne]

lex0r11 wrote...

Femshep Vanguard it is.



Renegade or Paragon?

Paragon.

No matter how much you want to, you arent allowed to punch Khalisah.

[paxxton]

MintyCool wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

1. Do not feel absolutely certain of anything.

2. Do not think it worth while to proceed by concealing evidence, for the evidence is sure to come to light.

3. Never try to discourage thinking for you are sure to succeed.

4. When you meet with opposition, even if it should be from your husband or your children, endeavor to overcome it by argument and not by authority, for a victory dependent upon authority is unreal and illusory.

5. Have no respect for the authority of others, for there are always contrary authorities to be found.

6. Do not use power to suppress opinions you think pernicious, for if you do the opinions will suppress you.

7. Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

8. Find more pleasure in intelligent dissent than in passive agreement, for, if you value intelligence as you should, the former implies a deeper agreement than the latter.

9. Be scrupulously truthful, even if the truth is inconvenient, for it is more inconvenient when you try to conceal it.

10. Do not feel envious of the happiness of those who live in a fool’s paradise, for only a fool will think that it is happiness.

I know,

I'm quite the impressive Mint.

Tirian Thorn wrote...
I am thoroughly unimpressed by everything you have said or done here. Your tone and attitude is highly combative and antagonistic. You do not engage in any sort of civil discussion nor you accept viewpoints that are contrary to your own. Guess what – that’s life. There are thousands upon thousands of different viewpoints. And if your reaction to those viewpoints is to belittle and demean people who don’t subscribe to your world view then you are going to have a very hard time in life. 

You seem frustrated with the fact that the evidence against IDT in overwhelmingly in my favor. The only person that seems hostile is you...

I try to always remain civil, I feel your frustration is a coping mechanism that's smudging the truth you wish to not see...

Obtain a new perspective mate...

Evidence against something is always in favor of those against that something.

EDIT: Well, maybe it's not necessarily true.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 mai 2012 - 07:46 .

[llbountyhunter]

SS2Dante wrote...

People. For the last. Goddamn. Time.

STOP replying to Minty, quoting Minty, or otherwise admitting that this poster exists.

I was trying to give it a chance to redeem itself...    but ill stop now.