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[Tirian Thorn]

So.  Anyone doing anything fun this weekend?

My mom and my daughter are going to a concert. 

So my son and I are going to meet my dad for something.  Maybe order pizza, cook on the grill or go out to dinner. 

I hope it's nice Sat/Sun cause I need to get these kids outside.  At least out back on the trampoline, but I'd really like to go hiking and/or fishing. 

And my son had a class trip to the Buffalo Museum of Sciene today.  He was so excited because we're members there and he couldn't wait to show his friends where all the cool stuff was. 

Modifié par Tirian Thorn, 04 mai 2012 - 07:37 .

[llbountyhunter]

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Femshep Vanguard it is.



Renegade or Paragon?

Paragon.

No matter how much you want to, you arent allowed to punch Khalisah.

 I think going paragon all the way in me1 makes me2&3 better.

-save wrex
-save conrad
-save rachni queen
-orginal counsil is better 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 04 mai 2012 - 07:37 .

[The Edge]

Tirian Thorn wrote...


So.  Anyone doing anything fun this weekend?

My mom and my daughter are going to a concert. 

So my son and I are going to meet my dad for something.  Maybe order pizza, cook on the grill or go out to dinner. 

I hope it's nice cause I need to get these kids outside.  At least out back on the trampoline, but I'd really like to go hiking and/or fishing. 

And my son had a class trip to the Buffalo Museum of Sciene today.  He was so excited because we're members there and he couldn't wait to show his friends where all the cool stuff was. 

This is all the evidence we need.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

First off, I'm a male, not a female, but I guess my avatar could confuse you.

Your avatar is quite genderless. ^^

[Boradam]

byne wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

You seem frustrated with the fact that the evidence against IDT in overwhelmingly in my favor. The only person that seems hostile is you...

I try to always remain civil, I feel your frustration is a coping mechanism that is covering the truth.

Try to obtain a new perspective mate.

"I have tons of evidence proving IT wrong! Its all my little secret though, so I shan't show it to you!" - Minty in a nutshell.

Report the troll, don't feed it. Feed it... warnings... or bans... by reporting it.

[byne]

llbountyhunter wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Femshep Vanguard it is.

Renegade or Paragon?

Paragon.

No matter how much you want to, you arent allowed to punch Khalisah.

 I think going paragon all the way in me1 makes me2&3 better.

-save wrex
-save conrad
-save rachni queen
-orginal counsil is better 

Well, Renegades can save Wrex too, but yeah, Paragon is better.

Also, lex0r, I forgot to add this part, but it is non-negotiable:  Do Virmire last. Lead both Kaidan and Liara along until you are forced to choose. You will choose the 'Cant I have you both?' option.

Kaidan will get all pissy and you'll end up with Liara.

You will then leave Kaidan to die on Virmire. You offered him a threesome with two hot women, and he said no.

There is no recovering from a mistake like that.

[Boradam]

llbountyhunter wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Femshep Vanguard it is.



Renegade or Paragon?

Paragon.

No matter how much you want to, you arent allowed to punch Khalisah.

 I think going paragon all the way in me1 makes me2&3 better.

-save wrex
-save conrad
-save rachni queen
-orginal counsil is better 

I saved everyone but the Queen, bugs and her creep me out.

Like so;

[Tirian Thorn]

The Edge wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...


So.  Anyone doing anything fun this weekend?

My mom and my daughter are going to a concert. 

So my son and I are going to meet my dad for something.  Maybe order pizza, cook on the grill or go out to dinner. 

I hope it's nice cause I need to get these kids outside.  At least out back on the trampoline, but I'd really like to go hiking and/or fishing. 

And my son had a class trip to the Buffalo Museum of Sciene today.  He was so excited because we're members there and he couldn't wait to show his friends where all the cool stuff was. 

This is all the evidence we need.

Evidence for what?

All I want to do is eat your brains.   

[MintyCool]

SS2Dante wrote...

People. For the last. Goddamn. Time.

STOP replying to Minty, quoting Minty, or otherwise admitting that this poster exists.

I know you dislike open discussion, but I'm pretty sure trying to openly shun a member on a forum is a bannable offense.

I'd be very careful...

As long as we're civil I see no problem in offering my insight.

Shame you think differently...

Modifié par MintyCool, 04 mai 2012 - 07:44 .

[byne]

Boradam wrote...


I saved everyone but the Queen, bugs and her creep me out.

Well, if they creep you out I guess genocide is a-ok!

[Tirian Thorn]

byne wrote...

Well, Renegades can save Wrex too, but yeah, Paragon is better.

Also, lex0r, I forgot to add this part, but it is non-negotiable:  Do Virmire last. Lead both Kaidan and Liara along until you are forced to choose. You will choose the 'Cant I have you both?' option.

Kaidan will get all pissy and you'll end up with Liara.

You will then leave Kaidan to die on Virmire. You offered him a threesome with two hot women, and he said no.

There is no recovering from a mistake like that.

LOL

[Boradam]

byne wrote...

Boradam wrote...


I saved everyone but the Queen, bugs and her creep me out.

Well, if they creep you out I guess genocide is a-ok!

Yup, but it's okay, because that's what multiple playthroughs are for! :innocent:

[marcelo_sdk]

A point i think we barely discussed is the Catalyst arguments and Shepard's silence in the Destroy explanation. In the consensus, the game show us that synthetics - the Geth - don't want war with organics, in fact was exactly the opposite. So, in this cycle, we saw that synthetics and organics can leave in harmony.

In the Protheans cycle we lack detais.But we do know that the Protheans, by Javik's descriptions, are much more intolerant than the Quarians or any other organic race.

Plus that the Geth had the opportunity to ally with the Reapers to wipe out organics, and the majority refused.

So, why, in the end, the game try to convince us with an idea exactly the opposite of the one they showed us earlier?

[byne]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Evidence for what?

All I want to do is eat your brains.   

>Clicked expecting Jonathan Coulton
>Was not disappointed

[estebanus]

MintyCool wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

People. For the last. Goddamn. Time.

STOP replying to Minty, quoting Minty, or otherwise admitting that this poster exists.

I know you dislike open discussion, but I'm pretty sure trying to shun a member on a forum is a bannable offense.

I'd be very careful...

As long as we're civil I see no problem in offering my insight.

Shame you think differently...

Ah, there you go again! You try to enforce your opinion on others, and think it a shame they think differently.

I'm just waiting for you to say "REPENT! THE END IS NIGH FOR ALL IT'ERS!!!"

You are not being civil in any way whatsoever. All you're doing is being an ass.

Modifié par estebanus, 04 mai 2012 - 07:53 .

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Er, what?

She's/he's/idon'tknow's turning your logic against you.

No, I would her byne to say how she knows this. Last time I remember, Merizan said she had destroy not based on IT, but I could be wrong

First off, I'm a male, not a female, but I guess my avatar could confuse you.

Second, while I dont recall the exact tweet where she said one of her saves was devoted to IT, I can at least direct you to this tweet.

She at the very least agrees with our explanation of godchild.

Edit: Apparently Dante found the tweet I was referencing. Nicely done!

Sorry, I thought you mentioned you were a man on

I don't think it is necessarily contradictory with her comments about Shep, although interesting. A lot of people like IT, as you know

Well, she didn't point to a specific interpretation that she liked, just pointing to a whole thread full of diverse opinions

[Tirian Thorn]

byne wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Evidence for what?

All I want to do is eat your brains.   

>Clicked expecting Jonathan Coulton
>Was not disappointed

Great song.  It's played on the radio from time to time here.  The zombies make a perfectly reasonable arguement. 

[BatmanTurian]

balance5050 wrote...

fade2black.1337 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

*Watches MintyCool try to troll by changing the issue into a religious debate. Hopes no-one is silly enough to take the bait*

No, no, evidence against the indoctrination theory.  Not of religion -- man, no, please.  We're discussing a piece of science-fiction here.

Both are not science fiction? How...

Cute.

Actually, even assuming religions to be fiction, very few of them can be called science fiction.

Scientology? Actually started by a sci fi author.

technically, Hinduism is scifi if you believe this guy:

[SubAstris]

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


She is a community manager, yes, but she also has a lot more access to BW than anyone else here has. She has seen parts of the EC, for example. She works as an intermediatory between us and BW; they tell what information she can and cannot divulge. She divulged this information. Therefore we can assume that BW says this is true.

Jessica supports Indoctrination Theory for at least one of her save files. Going by your logic, we can thusly assume Indoctrination Theory is true.

Thank you for proving IT, Sub.

Appreciate it.

Er, what?

Jessica said, in response to someone asking something about IT, that she had a playthrough dedicated to indoctrination theory. Not using this as evidence for IT, simply pointing out that her tweets are practically designed to be contradictory. I'll try find the tweet but by the time posting this I bet someone already has

https://twitter.com/...956540655935488 

How could it be contradictory but not supporting IT?

[SubAstris]

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I have a curious question which may get things somewhat back on track:

One of the big arguments I've heard against the theory being incorrect is that people simply don't consider BioWare clever or intelligent enough to implement all these clues and execute something this surreal. However, I'm actually playing Dragon Age: Origins again, and I'm kind of mesmerized at how intricate and well-thought the components of The Fade are -- a partitioned-from-reality, surreal, metaphorical playground -- and how they tie into the story proper. I'm especially talking about the big sequence in the Circle of Magi involving the deeply-layered labyrinth of nightmares that the characters have to navigate.

Question being: Though it involves two writing houses, both Mass Effect and Dragon Age come out of the same creative wheelhouse and involve similar creative channels. Therefore, do you consider The Fade to be viable-enough as a counterpoint to that argument?

I also don't get it with this whole "Bioware isn't smart enough" stuff.

What about KOTOR? Did anyone ever see that plot twist coming? Did anyone actually see the evidence that came before as actual evidence? No, they didn't, because all the evidence that alludes to you being Revan is so subtle, yet it makes so much sense at the same time after the big reveal!

Also, KOTOR was directed by Casey Hudson, who as we all know came up with the Mass Effect series, so no one should say that he's just incompetent!

Admittedly, from memory, it actually said that you were Revan at the end, slightly different

Yes, it is a plot twist, but IDT would be a much larger one. 

Using KOTOR as an example shows that Bioware has made plot twists before and has produced incredible games that have been highly regarded.  To me, this shows that they are not incompetant bumbling baboons. 

And therefore more prone to mistakes, and more unlikely that a developer would dare to do such a thing. I'm not saying they are baboons they just messed up the ending, that's all, the plot from ME2 has not been the most coherent

How is a developer that has made several quality games MORE likely to make a major mistake?  Hubris maybe?


And yes, I am keeping mind Everquest vs. Everquest 2. 

More likely to make a mistake if they have a more convoluted plot than a standard plot twist, yes

Wait, Sub, you're not making sense. You're saying that IT did NOT happen, so why are you arguing that it was IT that caused all the weird stuff to happen? 

Maybe you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying weird stuff happened, well weird stuff that supports IT

[estebanus]

MintyCool wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

1. Do not feel absolutely certain of anything.

2. Do not think it worth while to proceed by concealing evidence, for the evidence is sure to come to light.

3. Never try to discourage thinking for you are sure to succeed.

4. When you meet with opposition, even if it should be from your husband or your children, endeavor to overcome it by argument and not by authority, for a victory dependent upon authority is unreal and illusory.

5. Have no respect for the authority of others, for there are always contrary authorities to be found.

6. Do not use power to suppress opinions you think pernicious, for if you do the opinions will suppress you.

7. Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

8. Find more pleasure in intelligent dissent than in passive agreement, for, if you value intelligence as you should, the former implies a deeper agreement than the latter.

9. Be scrupulously truthful, even if the truth is inconvenient, for it is more inconvenient when you try to conceal it.

10. Do not feel envious of the happiness of those who live in a fool’s paradise, for only a fool will think that it is happiness.

I know,

I'm quite the impressive Mint.

Tirian Thorn wrote...
I am thoroughly unimpressed by everything you have said or done here. Your tone and attitude is highly combative and antagonistic. You do not engage in any sort of civil discussion nor you accept viewpoints that are contrary to your own. Guess what – that’s life. There are thousands upon thousands of different viewpoints. And if your reaction to those viewpoints is to belittle and demean people who don’t subscribe to your world view then you are going to have a very hard time in life. 

You seem frustrated with the fact that the evidence against IDT in overwhelmingly in my favor. The only person that seems hostile is you...

I try to always remain civil, I feel your angst is a coping mechanism that's covering the truth...

Obtain a new perspective mate...

You're deluded. that's all.

You keep on saying that the evidence against IT is overwhelming, but in over 2000 pages, we have seen nothing of the sort.

So I ask you, since you're apparently such a huge supporter of level-headed discussion: Wher is your evidence? Where is this so-called "Overwhelming mountain of evidence" that you keep referring to? Show it to us! 

Show that you actually are what you claim to be: A supporter of level-headed discussion.

[marcelo_sdk]

BatmanTurian wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

fade2black.1337 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

*Watches MintyCool try to troll by changing the issue into a religious debate. Hopes no-one is silly enough to take the bait*

No, no, evidence against the indoctrination theory.  Not of religion -- man, no, please.  We're discussing a piece of science-fiction here.

Both are not science fiction? How...

Cute.

Actually, even assuming religions to be fiction, very few of them can be called science fiction.

Scientology? Actually started by a sci fi author.

technically, Hinduism is scifi if you believe this guy:

I don't know man, I think i prefer to believe in what this guy says:

 

[Tirian Thorn]

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


She is a community manager, yes, but she also has a lot more access to BW than anyone else here has. She has seen parts of the EC, for example. She works as an intermediatory between us and BW; they tell what information she can and cannot divulge. She divulged this information. Therefore we can assume that BW says this is true.

Jessica supports Indoctrination Theory for at least one of her save files. Going by your logic, we can thusly assume Indoctrination Theory is true.

Thank you for proving IT, Sub.

Appreciate it.

Er, what?

Jessica said, in response to someone asking something about IT, that she had a playthrough dedicated to indoctrination theory. Not using this as evidence for IT, simply pointing out that her tweets are practically designed to be contradictory. I'll try find the tweet but by the time posting this I bet someone already has

https://twitter.com/...956540655935488 

How could it be contradictory but not supporting IT?

She's saying as a fan she likes it and has made an entire playthrough that has IDT as a theme.  That quote in itself isn't contradictory to IDT, but it doesn't prove it. 

That tweet is pro-IT from a fans prospective.  (her being Jessica, but as a fan) 

This is why I don't put any stock in what she says - either for or against.  She's PR and while she does have contact with the devs, I'm sure she'd get in trouble if she confirmed or denied IT at this point. 

EC will hopefully clear everything up.  One way or another.  But the ending needs to be clear, concise and logical or I think a lot of loyal customers will not support Bioware in the future. 

And by clear, concise & logical I don't mean that it has to be Indoctrination Theory. 

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


She is a community manager, yes, but she also has a lot more access to BW than anyone else here has. She has seen parts of the EC, for example. She works as an intermediatory between us and BW; they tell what information she can and cannot divulge. She divulged this information. Therefore we can assume that BW says this is true.

Jessica supports Indoctrination Theory for at least one of her save files. Going by your logic, we can thusly assume Indoctrination Theory is true.

Thank you for proving IT, Sub.

Appreciate it.

Er, what?

Jessica said, in response to someone asking something about IT, that she had a playthrough dedicated to indoctrination theory. Not using this as evidence for IT, simply pointing out that her tweets are practically designed to be contradictory. I'll try find the tweet but by the time posting this I bet someone already has

https://twitter.com/...956540655935488 

How could it be contradictory but not supporting IT?

It contradicts itself, by positing IT to be both real and unreal at the same time. Vague statements, unhelpful.

EDIT - nevermind the notion that she either doesn't know the "true" ending like us, or that she's under the same NDA as everyone else.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 04 mai 2012 - 07:56 .

[Tirian Thorn]

marcelo_sdk wrote...


I don't know man, I think i prefer to believe in what this guy says:

 

NOOOOOOO!!!  The guy who spent 30K on a hot air balloon!?