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[Tirian Thorn]

BatmanTurian wrote...

jkthunder wrote...

OK, finally sat down and read up on the current collective of the IT as summarized in the OP. It makes me proud to be a fan of this series. The IT has taken every WTF moment in the trilogy to the point of making perfect sense, even if there are variations in the details for different people. I feel a little ashamed about how outraged I was at the ending - now feeling as though I was just looking at it superficially and plain old not getting it. Although, the general idea of IT had crossed my mind amongst a billion other things.

But I won't hold myself entirely to blame. I think Bioware flubbed on making the resolution of the story a little too ambiguous, and I still have to wonder if IT (or whatever they may call it) is actually their original intention. Maybe it's a good thing to get the devotees thinking on this level to piece everything together, but the final product seems to have blown up in their faces a l'il bit.

Anyway, thanks to everyone - all my fellow fans, for coming together to crack this code... or perhaps to evolve the theory on your own? It's taken what was a very sour taste in my mouth and turned it into exhilaration at the prospect of it all. I won't get my expectations up too much, although they were very high for Bioware before ME3 came out, they dropped considerably lower after I finished the game (but I just blamed EA anyway lol). What I expect from the ending expansion DLC one of three things:
1) That everything that has been pieced together here is in fact what was intended and the ending will be artfully and creatively resolved (even if we find out after the fact that BW picked up on the theories developed here rather than it being their own... I'd be ok with that), or...
2) They come up with something absolutely amazing that no one ever imagined here or elsewhere, but hits it out of the park nonetheless (at least for all the ending haters), or...
3) (This is why I have an expectation cap) They completely bomb it, confuse everyone even more and just give us some weird extended cinematic epilogue that expands on the assets you had during the war.

The 3rd option would certainly be in stark contrast to the 1st and 2nd. Before looking at IT, I was feeling like BW and EA were giving the fans very little credit and underestimating us. After looking at IT, I feel like I was in fact underestimating BW by a long shot. So, if the 3rd option is the case, I will go under hypnosis and have any memory of it erased from my mind and have the IT put in it's place.

I still have my qualms about other issues that I still hold EA accountable for - Mostly that the EMS system is flawed for SP-only folks and that there are all these iOS exclusives (also unfair for the what I would think is the majority of players). The massive departure of character textures in ME3 that makes pretty much everyone's custom Shep look unrecognizable still stings too, but I'm pretty confident that the EMS system will be fixed and that along with a resolved/tangible explanation as to what they mean by the ending would make the game epic for me. I've been indoctrinated by the IT.
:happy:

Welcome to the Logical, Optimistic, And Rational Bioware Fan Support Group thread.

Alslo known as LORBFG.  

[jakenou]

Also wondering... has anyone discussed the similarities and differences of the ME ending to the RDM/new version Battlestar Galactica? I see a lot of similarities, some of them dependent on if the IT is true, but also just generally at how well or not well the stories were resolved. I for one, was rather disappointed at many things in the 4th season of BSG all the way to the end, particularly concerning the questionable fate of Starbuck which can be equivocated with Shepard on a whole bunch of levels. My biggest disappointment about it was that they pulled a deux ex machina (also on more than one level lol) but did so intentionally, or maybe they just made it seem intentional due to failed storytelling.

[jakenou]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

jkthunder wrote...
:happy:

Welcome to the Logical, Optimistic, And Rational Bioware Fan Support Group thread.

Alslo known as LORBFG.  

Finally... I've found the help that I need. My name is jkthunder, and I'm addicted to using Laughibly Obscenely Ridiculously Big F:whistle:ing Guns

Modifié par jkthunder, 04 mai 2012 - 08:52 .

[MaximizedAction]

jkthunder wrote...

OK, finally sat down and read up on the current collective of the IT as summarized in the OP. It makes me proud to be a fan of this series. The IT has taken every WTF moment in the trilogy to the point of making perfect sense, even if there are variations in the details for different people. I feel a little ashamed about how outraged I was at the ending - now feeling as though I was just looking at it superficially and plain old not getting it. Although, the general idea of IT had crossed my mind amongst a billion other things.

But I won't hold myself entirely to blame. I think Bioware flubbed on making the resolution of the story a little too ambiguous, and I still have to wonder if IT (or whatever they may call it) is actually their original intention. Maybe it's a good thing to get the devotees thinking on this level to piece everything together, but the final product seems to have blown up in their faces a l'il bit.

Anyway, thanks to everyone - all my fellow fans, for coming together to crack this code... or perhaps to evolve the theory on your own? It's taken what was a very sour taste in my mouth and turned it into exhilaration at the prospect of it all. I won't get my expectations up too much, although they were very high for Bioware before ME3 came out, they dropped considerably lower after I finished the game (but I just blamed EA anyway lol). What I expect from the ending expansion DLC one of three things:
1) That everything that has been pieced together here is in fact what was intended and the ending will be artfully and creatively resolved (even if we find out after the fact that BW picked up on the theories developed here rather than it being their own... I'd be ok with that), or...
2) They come up with something absolutely amazing that no one ever imagined here or elsewhere, but hits it out of the park nonetheless (at least for all the ending haters), or...
3) (This is why I have an expectation cap) They completely bomb it, confuse everyone even more and just give us some weird extended cinematic epilogue that expands on the assets you had during the war.

The 3rd option would certainly be in stark contrast to the 1st and 2nd. Before looking at IT, I was feeling like BW and EA were giving the fans very little credit and underestimating us. After looking at IT, I feel like I was in fact underestimating BW by a long shot. So, if the 3rd option is the case, I will go under hypnosis and have any memory of it erased from my mind and have the IT put in it's place.

I still have my qualms about other issues that I still hold EA accountable for - Mostly that the EMS system is flawed for SP-only folks and that there are all these iOS exclusives (also unfair for the what I would think is the majority of players). The massive departure of character textures in ME3 that makes pretty much everyone's custom Shep look unrecognizable still stings too, but I'm pretty confident that the EMS system will be fixed and that along with a resolved/tangible explanation as to what they mean by the ending would make the game epic for me. I've been indoctrinated by the IT.
:happy:

With every line I'm reminded of how I felt about 4-5 weeks ago.

I'm also glad that I found IT, this thread and all the (mostly) nice and smart people I enjoy discussing the trilogy and IT.
If I take all this experience as part of the game, then this has been the most amazing, diverse and mind challanging entertainment I've ever had.

May this thread go at maximum FTL for another 2000 pages!

[EpyonX3]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Just one day left and already 2038 pages, you kidding me ? I've missed (by far) the 2k....

Anyway congratulations to everyone here and a special thanks to Arian for his credits-list !
I see also also that the thread is under heavy Anti-IT attack (including a big tr..)

BatmanTurian wrote...

There's a new theory some ways back that Coates might have once been alive (such as in the Big Ben trailers) but is now just a Reaper-induced hallucination in Anderson and Shepard's heads. He never directly speaks to your crewmates or anyone else except Anderson and Shepard, your crewmates never acknowledge his existence or look at him, and the only time he ever talks to other soldiers ( his team) is over a radio. He may be just Reaper BS like Reaper Beiber all over again, only more subtle (as if Harbinger/The Reapers got better at performing the mindscrew). Also there is another electric warning sign over his head in the shuttle.

I like the possibilty that Coates could be a mole. This could be something big if proven true (same with Anderson, which could explain the red/renegade color for the destroy option and the blue/parangon for TIM... Just kidding) .
Nevertheless I personally don't think that he's a product of Shep's/Anderson's hallucination. As Anderson was explaning the plan to take out the destroyer, he specifically gave Coates the task to lead the artillery/tanks (not sure).. If Coates wasn't real and Anderson just hallucinating, I think the others would have noticed it...

There's a look that Anderson gives to Shepard when he says he was born in London. It's a kind of, "I can't believe you fell for that" or "I think he bought it" kind of look.

[SS2Dante]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Just one day left and already 2038 pages, you kidding me ? I've missed (by far) the 2k....

Anyway congratulations to everyone here and a special thanks to Arian for his credits-list !
I see also also that the thread is under heavy Anti-IT attack (including a big tr..)

BatmanTurian wrote...

There's a new theory some ways back that Coates might have once been alive (such as in the Big Ben trailers) but is now just a Reaper-induced hallucination in Anderson and Shepard's heads. He never directly speaks to your crewmates or anyone else except Anderson and Shepard, your crewmates never acknowledge his existence or look at him, and the only time he ever talks to other soldiers ( his team) is over a radio. He may be just Reaper BS like Reaper Beiber all over again, only more subtle (as if Harbinger/The Reapers got better at performing the mindscrew). Also there is another electric warning sign over his head in the shuttle.

I like the possibilty that Coates could be a mole. This could be something big if proven true (same with Anderson, which could explain the red/renegade color for the destroy option and the blue/parangon for TIM... Just kidding) .
Nevertheless I personally don't think that he's a product of Shep's/Anderson's hallucination. As Anderson was explaning the plan to take out the destroyer, he specifically gave Coates the task to lead the artillery/tanks (not sure).. If Coates wasn't real and Anderson just hallucinating, I think the others would have noticed it...

I'm with Jo on this one. Narratively he did seem unimportant so I can see him being a traitor, but as it stands I think that's about as far as I'd go.

[jakenou]

MaximizedAction wrote...

jkthunder wrote...
:happy:

With every line I'm reminded of how I felt about 4-5 weeks ago.

I'm also glad that I found IT, this thread and all the (mostly) nice and smart people I enjoy discussing the trilogy and IT.
If I take all this experience as part of the game, then this has been the most amazing, diverse and mind challanging entertainment I've ever had.

May this thread go at maximum FTL for another 2000 pages!

This thread, along with the community within it, not only has reignited my passion for the series, but also literally makes me want to have a humungous virtual group hug - and I am NOT the touchy-feely type. * Hugs computer monitor *

[BatmanTurian]

Boradam wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Boradam wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Those who take the bait are as much to blame as those who cast the bait

Whoever thinks they can win a fight on a forum?, seriously, all you succeed in doing is flooding the thread, the moderators will eventually say enough is enough and close the thread.

Indeed, so let us all get back to speculating!

Any new theories on Major Coates that I may have missed, by any chance?

There's a new theory some ways back that Coates might have once been alive (such as in the Big Ben trailers) but is now just a Reaper-induced hallucination in Anderson and Shepard's heads. He never directly speaks to your crewmates or anyone else except Anderson and Shepard, your crewmates never acknowledge his existence or look at him, and the only time he ever talks to other soldiers ( his team) is over a radio. He may be just Reaper BS like Reaper Beiber all over again, only more subtle (as if Harbinger/The Reapers got better at performing the mindscrew). Also there is another electric warning sign over his head in the shuttle.

Admittedly the only monkeywrench thrown into the cogs of this theory is that their subordinates should relieve them from duty for PTSD or some kind of mental breakdown if they noticed they were hallucinating a Brit who isn't there.

The same electric warning that was over by the starbrat when he was in the vent?

Similar. Only the lightning bolt symbol, not the head part. I don't think that evidence is strong, but I included it anyway since some were making connections. I don't fully endorse that part myself.

[BatmanTurian]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Just one day left and already 2038 pages, you kidding me ? I've missed (by far) the 2k....

Anyway congratulations to everyone here and a special thanks to Arian for his credits-list !
I see also also that the thread is under heavy Anti-IT attack (including a big tr..)

BatmanTurian wrote...

There's a new theory some ways back that Coates might have once been alive (such as in the Big Ben trailers) but is now just a Reaper-induced hallucination in Anderson and Shepard's heads. He never directly speaks to your crewmates or anyone else except Anderson and Shepard, your crewmates never acknowledge his existence or look at him, and the only time he ever talks to other soldiers ( his team) is over a radio. He may be just Reaper BS like Reaper Beiber all over again, only more subtle (as if Harbinger/The Reapers got better at performing the mindscrew). Also there is another electric warning sign over his head in the shuttle.

I like the possibilty that Coates could be a mole. This could be something big if proven true (same with Anderson, which could explain the red/renegade color for the destroy option and the blue/parangon for TIM... Just kidding) .
Nevertheless I personally don't think that he's a product of Shep's/Anderson's hallucination. As Anderson was explaning the plan to take out the destroyer, he specifically gave Coates the task to lead the artillery/tanks (not sure).. If Coates wasn't real and Anderson just hallucinating, I think the others would have noticed it...

I know, I stated that as the monkeywrench in the edit. I don't fully support it, though I find it interesting. He asked if there was anything new that was being discussed and I provided it.

[Uncle Jo]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Just one day left and already 2038 pages, you kidding me ? I've missed (by far) the 2k....

Anyway congratulations to everyone here and a special thanks to Arian for his credits-list !
I see also also that the thread is under heavy Anti-IT attack (including a big tr..)

BatmanTurian wrote...

There's a new theory some ways back that Coates might have once been alive (such as in the Big Ben trailers) but is now just a Reaper-induced hallucination in Anderson and Shepard's heads. He never directly speaks to your crewmates or anyone else except Anderson and Shepard, your crewmates never acknowledge his existence or look at him, and the only time he ever talks to other soldiers ( his team) is over a radio. He may be just Reaper BS like Reaper Beiber all over again, only more subtle (as if Harbinger/The Reapers got better at performing the mindscrew). Also there is another electric warning sign over his head in the shuttle.

I like the possibilty that Coates could be a mole. This could be something big if proven true (same with Anderson, which could explain the red/renegade color for the destroy option and the blue/parangon for TIM... Just kidding) .
Nevertheless I personally don't think that he's a product of Shep's/Anderson's hallucination. As Anderson was explaning the plan to take out the destroyer, he specifically gave Coates the task to lead the artillery/tanks (not sure).. If Coates wasn't real and Anderson just hallucinating, I think the others would have noticed it...

There's a look that Anderson gives to Shepard when he says he was born in London. It's a kind of, "I can't believe you fell for that" or "I think he bought it" kind of look.

You're hitting something here. Anderson said to Shep he was born London twice in the game. I can't remember when exactly was the first time (Ansible communication in the Normandy is all that I can recall). The second one right atfer the destruction of the Hades Cannon. By the second time Shep had the same reaction as he's learning about it for the first time and gave him that "Really?" answer...
I found it weird. But I didn't go any further....

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 04 mai 2012 - 08:52 .

[Uncle Jo]

BatmanTurian wrote...


I know, I stated that as the monkeywrench in the edit. I don't fully support it, though I find it interesting. He asked if there was anything new that was being discussed and I provided it.

I read your edit right after I've posted. My bad...

[BatmanTurian]

SS2Dante wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Just one day left and already 2038 pages, you kidding me ? I've missed (by far) the 2k....

Anyway congratulations to everyone here and a special thanks to Arian for his credits-list !
I see also also that the thread is under heavy Anti-IT attack (including a big tr..)

BatmanTurian wrote...

There's a new theory some ways back that Coates might have once been alive (such as in the Big Ben trailers) but is now just a Reaper-induced hallucination in Anderson and Shepard's heads. He never directly speaks to your crewmates or anyone else except Anderson and Shepard, your crewmates never acknowledge his existence or look at him, and the only time he ever talks to other soldiers ( his team) is over a radio. He may be just Reaper BS like Reaper Beiber all over again, only more subtle (as if Harbinger/The Reapers got better at performing the mindscrew). Also there is another electric warning sign over his head in the shuttle.

I like the possibilty that Coates could be a mole. This could be something big if proven true (same with Anderson, which could explain the red/renegade color for the destroy option and the blue/parangon for TIM... Just kidding) .
Nevertheless I personally don't think that he's a product of Shep's/Anderson's hallucination. As Anderson was explaning the plan to take out the destroyer, he specifically gave Coates the task to lead the artillery/tanks (not sure).. If Coates wasn't real and Anderson just hallucinating, I think the others would have noticed it...

I'm with Jo on this one. Narratively he did seem unimportant so I can see him being a traitor, but as it stands I think that's about as far as I'd go.

As I wrote in the edit, there are a few problems with the theory.  I was only noting what was being discussed last night.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 mai 2012 - 08:55 .

[Kyzee]

jkthunder wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

jkthunder wrote...
:happy:

With every line I'm reminded of how I felt about 4-5 weeks ago.

I'm also glad that I found IT, this thread and all the (mostly) nice and smart people I enjoy discussing the trilogy and IT.
If I take all this experience as part of the game, then this has been the most amazing, diverse and mind challanging entertainment I've ever had.

May this thread go at maximum FTL for another 2000 pages!

This thread, along with the community within it, not only has reignited my passion for the series, but also literally makes me want to have a humungous virtual group hug - and I am NOT the touchy-feely type. * Hugs computer monitor *

I think we could all use this right now. 

[SS2Dante]

Uncle Jo wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Just one day left and already 2038 pages, you kidding me ? I've missed (by far) the 2k....

Anyway congratulations to everyone here and a special thanks to Arian for his credits-list !
I see also also that the thread is under heavy Anti-IT attack (including a big tr..)

BatmanTurian wrote...

There's a new theory some ways back that Coates might have once been alive (such as in the Big Ben trailers) but is now just a Reaper-induced hallucination in Anderson and Shepard's heads. He never directly speaks to your crewmates or anyone else except Anderson and Shepard, your crewmates never acknowledge his existence or look at him, and the only time he ever talks to other soldiers ( his team) is over a radio. He may be just Reaper BS like Reaper Beiber all over again, only more subtle (as if Harbinger/The Reapers got better at performing the mindscrew). Also there is another electric warning sign over his head in the shuttle.

I like the possibilty that Coates could be a mole. This could be something big if proven true (same with Anderson, which could explain the red/renegade color for the destroy option and the blue/parangon for TIM... Just kidding) .
Nevertheless I personally don't think that he's a product of Shep's/Anderson's hallucination. As Anderson was explaning the plan to take out the destroyer, he specifically gave Coates the task to lead the artillery/tanks (not sure).. If Coates wasn't real and Anderson just hallucinating, I think the others would have noticed it...

There's a look that Anderson gives to Shepard when he says he was born in London. It's a kind of, "I can't believe you fell for that" or "I think he bought it" kind of look.

You're hitting something here. Anderson said to Shep he was born London twice in the game. I can't remember when exactly was the first time (Ansible communication in the Normandy is all that I can recall). The second one right atfer the destruction of the Hades Cannon. By the second time Shep had the same reaction as he's learning about it for the first time and gave him that "Really?" answer...
I found it weird. But I didn't go any further....

The first time (Ansible comm) Anderson says he "was born here, and it looks like (he) might die here". Now, it's vague whether he means London or Earth.

[lex0r11]

So, ME1.. Damn habits!

I will never stop throwing grenades around like an idiot because I'm always reloading in shooters after every fight/kill.

Kyzee wrote...

[...]

I think we could all use this right now.

*snip*

Everyone gather in for a group hug!

Modifié par lex0r11, 04 mai 2012 - 09:00 .

[jakenou]

@Kyzee - saving that motivational for Valentine's Day pic-spams

[Kyzee]

jkthunder wrote...

@Kyzee - saving that motivational for Valentine's Day pic-spams

I applaud your strategy, my friend.

[Uncle Jo]

SS2Dante wrote...


The first time (Ansible comm) Anderson says he "was born here, and it looks like (he) might die here". Now, it's vague whether he means London or Earth.

Yes that is exactly what he said. But considering they were talking about something big going to happen in London, it's pretty safe to suppose that Anderson meant the city and not Earth... That is how I've understood it but maybe I was wrong...

[Nauks]

Rifneno wrote...

Don't have time to catch up the 16 pages I missed... but OMG! Guys! Either my pain medication is whacking me out more than usual, or I think I figured out something major.

HARBINGER IS THE PROTHEAN REAPER!

Ever since Byne posted that picture of Javik with the glowing yellow eyes, I've been trying to figure out what the hell. On one hand, Javik uses the same mockery of logic that starbrat uses. Toss in the glowing eyes and it sounds like he's either hardcore indoctrinated or a completely fake Reaper plant. But that doesn't add up. He doesn't exhibit any symptoms of indoctrination and when it comes to Reapers he's like a rabid wolverine. He wants Reaper blood and he wants it now. Which is the exact opposite of how he should act if he was remotely on the Reaper's side. Then it hit me: that's because the reverse is true. Their similarities aren't because Javik has Reaper ties, they're because Harbinger has Prothean ones.

We know that Reapers, to a small extent at least, resemble their origin species. They didn't bother showing us different types of capital ships in 3 but the FMV at the end of 2 clearly shows us stark variances in some capital ships. Look at Javik's eye structure. Four eyes with the outer pair slightly higher. Now look at Harbinger's... "eyes" I guess. Six of them. Okay, I can't explain the extra two, but four of them are a perfect match for Prothean eye structure. I think the reason they dumped Javik having glowing yellow eyes is because it'd make it too obvious what Harbinger is. The aforementioned perversion of logic, "oh no'es teh machines will dustruy us all!" It's pretty retarded. Which begs the question, why would Harbinger give Shepard an explanation for the Reapers that was so retarded? Why not go with something that makes at least some semblence of sense like the dark energy theory? Because depending on how much of the minds of the people used to create him still exist, he either genuinely believes it himself or he knows that it's an explanation organics will believe because he, er, "they" used to. He's appealing to Shepard with Prothean logic.

Also remember the control ending is labeled internally and in the Prima guide as "become a Reaper". If Harbinger is leading the Reapers because he's currently the newest and best model, it makes sense that if Shepard became a Reaper he'd control them. So in a super terrible way, the control ending would be legit.

Counterpoints:
- The two extra eyes. ... Yeah, I got nothin'.

- EDI claims "they tried to create a Prothean Reaper and failed": She never explains how she came to that conclusion. On that basis alone it's hard not to take with a grain of salt. Besides, she didn't say it was their only attempt to create one. In fact, EDI usually explains at least the basis for her conclusions if not the complete summary of how she reached them. And Shepard has time to ask her all sorts of other questions so it's not like they didn't have 5 seconds for her to say "I see a detect a note at the bottom of the pit reading 'Stupid protheans' DNA won't work, I'm abandoning the ****ers and waiting for the next species.'" I have to wonder if she didn't actually say that because the writers wanted to throw us off.

- Harbinger's codex claims him the oldest and largest of the Reaper armada: There's no way they could possibly know he's the oldest. That's a wild guess. It has to be. They couldn't even put a date the damned Citadel and they lived on the thing for thousands of years. What, did Harbinger let somebody scrape some metal off for carbon dating? Bull****. Actually, I think the opposite is more likely. When production cost isn't a factor, the newest model of something is pretty much always the best. Features and technology improves over time, and re-fitting older models is often extremely difficult or impossible. So logically the newest Reaper would be the "best".

Saw this on page 2022, nice catch.

It sounds plausible to me at least, the Protheans (their Shepard counterpart perhaps?) essentially having chosen "control" and carried on the cycle.
The eyes, not only being a weird, (perhaps little too convenient) link between the Collectors and Harbinger (aesthetically speaking) but hinting on something else too.
The argument for having the newest (best) Reaper as the current leader, makes perfect sense, and which Reaper would be more attuned to the current state of the Galaxy than the Prothean one?

But by Zeus...everyone ****ting on this idea in the replies, arguing codex semantics or w/e.
Did open mindedness suffocate on its own vomit in this thread or something?

Consider the following, most of it reiteration:

-The codex says Harbinger is suggested to be the oldest Reaper etc, the codex have taken us for a ride before, especially if this is supposed to be a mystery for now, we don't have to treat this as fact.
-EDI is making an educated guess about there not being a Prothean Reaper in ME2.
-The existence of the Collectors doesn't negate the Reaper-making-process, why would it? it's logical for them to keep agents around to deal with x and y during their hibernation (we know there are plenty of bodies left over, deemed unsuitable for ascension. (and we can safely assume that every cycle did something along these lines)

[blooregard]

hey as an off topic type of question the face import bug was fixed right?

[SS2Dante]

Uncle Jo wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


The first time (Ansible comm) Anderson says he "was born here, and it looks like (he) might die here". Now, it's vague whether he means London or Earth.

Yes that is exactly what he said. But considering they were talking about something big going to happen in London, it's pretty safe to suppose that Anderson meant the city and not Earth... That is how I've understood it but maybe I was wrong...

Yeah (that's why it was fresh in my mind, had to point out earlier today that London was important BEFORE they moved the citadel so..like...why?). But thing is they were talking over ansible and a galactic mindset is a bit different from a planetary one, you know? Not saying he couldn't have been talking about being born in London but I think the context is way too vague to be sure.

When is the second time he mentions it again?

[SS2Dante]

blooregard wrote...

hey as an off topic type of question the face import bug was fixed right?

I think so. Got the bug first time but tried importing again recently and nothing bad happened.

[MaximizedAction]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Just one day left and already 2038 pages, you kidding me ? I've missed (by far) the 2k....

Anyway congratulations to everyone here and a special thanks to Arian for his credits-list !
I see also also that the thread is under heavy Anti-IT attack (including a big tr..)

BatmanTurian wrote...

There's a new theory some ways back that Coates might have once been alive (such as in the Big Ben trailers) but is now just a Reaper-induced hallucination in Anderson and Shepard's heads. He never directly speaks to your crewmates or anyone else except Anderson and Shepard, your crewmates never acknowledge his existence or look at him, and the only time he ever talks to other soldiers ( his team) is over a radio. He may be just Reaper BS like Reaper Beiber all over again, only more subtle (as if Harbinger/The Reapers got better at performing the mindscrew). Also there is another electric warning sign over his head in the shuttle.

I like the possibilty that Coates could be a mole. This could be something big if proven true (same with Anderson, which could explain the red/renegade color for the destroy option and the blue/parangon for TIM... Just kidding) .
Nevertheless I personally don't think that he's a product of Shep's/Anderson's hallucination. As Anderson was explaning the plan to take out the destroyer, he specifically gave Coates the task to lead the artillery/tanks (not sure).. If Coates wasn't real and Anderson just hallucinating, I think the others would have noticed it...

I'm with Jo on this one. Narratively he did seem unimportant so I can see him being a traitor, but as it stands I think that's about as far as I'd go.

As I wrote in the edit, there are a few problems with the theory.  I was only noting what was being discussed last night.

No, it's good, I love every bit of attempt to explain why the Priority: Earth mission felt the way it felt:
so surreal, dark, cold, emotionally forcing and missing that explicit goal that I expected the last mission to have. The atmosphere the Suicide Mission had, for example.

Even if it's Earth, Shepard's home, the final frontier, I didn't really feel the connection from Shepard to the surroundings than on N7 missions - big whoop, wanna fight about it?
It didn't really feel natural.

So maybe there was indeed something up...

[D.Sharrah]

2039 and counting...proud to be a believer in IT, but at this point I am not sure whether this has moved from amazing depth to utter depravity...My biggest fear is that before too long we will turn in Jim Carrey's character from "The Number 23"...

[EpyonX3]

SS2Dante wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


The first time (Ansible comm) Anderson says he "was born here, and it looks like (he) might die here". Now, it's vague whether he means London or Earth.

Yes that is exactly what he said. But considering they were talking about something big going to happen in London, it's pretty safe to suppose that Anderson meant the city and not Earth... That is how I've understood it but maybe I was wrong...

Yeah (that's why it was fresh in my mind, had to point out earlier today that London was important BEFORE they moved the citadel so..like...why?). But thing is they were talking over ansible and a galactic mindset is a bit different from a planetary one, you know? Not saying he couldn't have been talking about being born in London but I think the context is way too vague to be sure.

When is the second time he mentions it again?

In the vehicle after you land with Hammer I believe. Right after you take out the reaper AA gun. I think. If not he said it right before they hit the ditch near the beam.