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[Raistlin Majare 1992]

D.Sharrah wrote...

2039 and counting...proud to be a believer in IT, but at this point I am not sure whether this has moved from amazing depth to utter depravity...My biggest fear is that before too long we will turn in Jim Carrey's character from "The Number 23"...

We have come far and we are without a doubt grasping at more than a few straws in our ever deeper search for the truth, but as long as we dont forget the strong base of knowledge, investigation and observation this builds on we will never lose sight of what is important.

Good night people, hold the line

[estebanus]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

2039 and counting...proud to be a believer in IT, but at this point I am not sure whether this has moved from amazing depth to utter depravity...My biggest fear is that before too long we will turn in Jim Carrey's character from "The Number 23"...

We have come far and we are without a doubt grasping at more than a few straws in our ever deeper search for the truth, but as long as we dont forget the strong base of knowledge, investigation and observation this builds on we will never lose sight of what is important.

Good night people, hold the line

Goodnight!

[Uncle Jo]

SS2Dante wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


The first time (Ansible comm) Anderson says he "was born here, and it looks like (he) might die here". Now, it's vague whether he means London or Earth.

Yes that is exactly what he said. But considering they were talking about something big going to happen in London, it's pretty safe to suppose that Anderson meant the city and not Earth... That is how I've understood it but maybe I was wrong...

Yeah (that's why it was fresh in my mind, had to point out earlier today that London was important BEFORE they moved the citadel so..like...why?). But thing is they were talking over ansible and a galactic mindset is a bit different from a planetary one, you know? Not saying he couldn't have been talking about being born in London but I think the context is way too vague to be sure.

When is the second time he mentions it again?

EDIT: I do see your point. We need a third opinion about it. The second time was in the Mako Kodiak shuttle after the Hades Cannon mission.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 04 mai 2012 - 09:21 .

[BatmanTurian]

D.Sharrah wrote...

2039 and counting...proud to be a believer in IT, but at this point I am not sure whether this has moved from amazing depth to utter depravity...My biggest fear is that before too long we will turn in Jim Carrey's character from "The Number 23"...

No, at this point we are Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein, working out the details and evidence and fleshing everything out. Nowhere near a complete solid theory, but intriguing and plausible and backed by some credible evidence and logical deductions.

The Theory of Evolution and The Theory of Relativity are called Theories because they are untestable (so far). We can't go back in time and watch evolution unfold and we can't go somewhere at the speed of light (because that's physically impossible). However, substantial evidence and logical deduction make them possible and the majority of Science agrees with the Theories. They cannot be called Laws but they are practically as good as Laws at this point.

The Indoctrination Theory, at this point, cannot be tested. But the evidence and logical deductions continue to pile up and the EC will make or break it as a "Law" or true story element meant to be there, much like the twists of The Sixth Sense and Fight Club at the end. We haven't seen the true end, so we don't know if there really is a twist, but the evidence is intriguing.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 mai 2012 - 09:24 .

[EpyonX3]

Uncle Jo wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


The first time (Ansible comm) Anderson says he "was born here, and it looks like (he) might die here". Now, it's vague whether he means London or Earth.

Yes that is exactly what he said. But considering they were talking about something big going to happen in London, it's pretty safe to suppose that Anderson meant the city and not Earth... That is how I've understood it but maybe I was wrong...

Yeah (that's why it was fresh in my mind, had to point out earlier today that London was important BEFORE they moved the citadel so..like...why?). But thing is they were talking over ansible and a galactic mindset is a bit different from a planetary one, you know? Not saying he couldn't have been talking about being born in London but I think the context is way too vague to be sure.

When is the second time he mentions it again?

EDIT: I do see your point. We need a third opinion about it. The second time was in the Mako Kodiak shuttle after the Hades Cannon mission.

Sounds like he means London.

And here's anderson mentioning it again However, this video offers some insight as to what he was thinking about when he looked back at Shep.

[MintyCool]

Just finished tanning and landscaping my yard; beautiful day today!


Oh....


You're talking about the ending....

...again? Repeating the same topics over and over?


If only your parents knew that you spend hours, upon hours, of your day on here...

...they must be so disappointed...

Shame....

Well I'm off, need to open my pool. Laters!

Modifié par MintyCool, 04 mai 2012 - 09:39 .

[BatmanTurian]

On a side note, all these " Why is Control bad?" / " Why is Synthesis bad? " threads just drive home the point that the ending is tailor-made to trick you into becoming a monster or being eaten by the monster. Not you, the character. You, the player.

People who try to justify Control or Synthesis truly make me question human "intelligence"..

[MaximizedAction]

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

2039 and counting...proud to be a believer in IT, but at this point I am not sure whether this has moved from amazing depth to utter depravity...My biggest fear is that before too long we will turn in Jim Carrey's character from "The Number 23"...

No, at this point we are Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein, working out the details and evidence and fleshing everything out. Nowhere near a complete solid theory, but intriguing and plausible and backed by some credible evidence and logical deductions.

The Theory of Evolution and The Theory of Relativity are called Theories because they are untestable (so far). We can't go back in time and watch evolution unfold and we can't go somewhere at the speed of light (because that's physically impossible). However, substantial evidence and logical deduction make them possible and the majority of Science agrees with the Theories. They cannot be called Laws but they are practically as good as Laws at this point.

The Indoctrination Theory, at this point, cannot be tested. But the evidence and logical deductions continue to pile up and the EC will make or break it as a "Law" or true story element meant to be there, much like the twists of The Sixth Sense and Fight Club at the end. We haven't seen the true end, so we don't know if there really is a twist, but the evidence is intriguing.

The theory of General Relativity successfully withstood: Precession of Mercury's orbit, gravitational bending of light from Venus and gravitational redshift. Also, general relativity brought us GPS. So nearly everyone is  testing the theory of relativity every morning. Until now, only confirmations.

@topic:
I wonder then, what the last split screen second might contain as a hidden message .

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 04 mai 2012 - 09:37 .

[SubAstris]

SS2Dante wrote...


But you were saying that the big plot twistiness of it would make it more difficult to make and so it would be glitchier...was this just hypothetical? :S  Confused.

Yes. Sorry for the late reply, but yes it was meant to be hypothetical

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


But you were saying that the big plot twistiness of it would make it more difficult to make and so it would be glitchier...was this just hypothetical? :S  Confused.

Yes. Sorry for the late reply, but yes it was meant to be hypothetical

Ah, then no worries.

[SubAstris]

jkthunder wrote...

OK, finally sat down and read up on the current collective of the IT as summarized in the OP. It makes me proud to be a fan of this series. The IT has taken every WTF moment in the trilogy to the point of making perfect sense, even if there are variations in the details for different people. I feel a little ashamed about how outraged I was at the ending - now feeling as though I was just looking at it superficially and plain old not getting it. Although, the general idea of IT had crossed my mind amongst a billion other things.

But I won't hold myself entirely to blame. I think Bioware flubbed on making the resolution of the story a little too ambiguous, and I still have to wonder if IT (or whatever they may call it) is actually their original intention. Maybe it's a good thing to get the devotees thinking on this level to piece everything together, but the final product seems to have blown up in their faces a l'il bit.

Anyway, thanks to everyone - all my fellow fans, for coming together to crack this code... or perhaps to evolve the theory on your own? It's taken what was a very sour taste in my mouth and turned it into exhilaration at the prospect of it all. I won't get my expectations up too much, although they were very high for Bioware before ME3 came out, they dropped considerably lower after I finished the game (but I just blamed EA anyway lol). What I expect from the ending expansion DLC one of three things:
1) That everything that has been pieced together here is in fact what was intended and the ending will be artfully and creatively resolved (even if we find out after the fact that BW picked up on the theories developed here rather than it being their own... I'd be ok with that), or...
2) They come up with something absolutely amazing that no one ever imagined here or elsewhere, but hits it out of the park nonetheless (at least for all the ending haters), or...
3) (This is why I have an expectation cap) They completely bomb it, confuse everyone even more and just give us some weird extended cinematic epilogue that expands on the assets you had during the war.

The 3rd option would certainly be in stark contrast to the 1st and 2nd. Before looking at IT, I was feeling like BW and EA were giving the fans very little credit and underestimating us. After looking at IT, I feel like I was in fact underestimating BW by a long shot. So, if the 3rd option is the case, I will go under hypnosis and have any memory of it erased from my mind and have the IT put in it's place.

I still have my qualms about other issues that I still hold EA accountable for - Mostly that the EMS system is flawed for SP-only folks and that there are all these iOS exclusives (also unfair for the what I would think is the majority of players). The massive departure of character textures in ME3 that makes pretty much everyone's custom Shep look unrecognizable still stings too, but I'm pretty confident that the EMS system will be fixed and that along with a resolved/tangible explanation as to what they mean by the ending would make the game epic for me. I've been indoctrinated by the IT.
:happy:

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?

[Uncle Jo]

MintyCool wrote...



Just finished tanning and landscaping my yard, beautiful day today!

Oh....

You're talking about the ending....

...again?

...Repeating the same topics over and over?

If only your parents knew that you spend hours, upon hours, of your day on here...

...they must be so disappointed...

Shame....

Well I'm off, need to open my pool. Laters!

I hope it will be soon. It's always a great moment to read your posts. They made my day.

@Dante
I've seen Epyon's vids. No doubt left, he was talking about London. I've also paid attention to Anderson as he said it for the second time. Both of his look and Shep's answers are troubling. I can't say where it is leading right now, I must think aobut throroughly...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 04 mai 2012 - 09:44 .

[llbountyhunter]

BatmanTurian wrote...

On a side note, all these " Why is Control bad?" / " Why is Synthesis bad? " threads just drive home the point that the ending is tailor-made to trick you into becoming a monster or being eaten by the monster. Not you, the character. You, the player.

People who try to justify Control or Synthesis truly make me question human "intelligence"..

lol, very true.

[BatmanTurian]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

2039 and counting...proud to be a believer in IT, but at this point I am not sure whether this has moved from amazing depth to utter depravity...My biggest fear is that before too long we will turn in Jim Carrey's character from "The Number 23"...

No, at this point we are Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein, working out the details and evidence and fleshing everything out. Nowhere near a complete solid theory, but intriguing and plausible and backed by some credible evidence and logical deductions.

The Theory of Evolution and The Theory of Relativity are called Theories because they are untestable (so far). We can't go back in time and watch evolution unfold and we can't go somewhere at the speed of light (because that's physically impossible). However, substantial evidence and logical deduction make them possible and the majority of Science agrees with the Theories. They cannot be called Laws but they are practically as good as Laws at this point.

The Indoctrination Theory, at this point, cannot be tested. But the evidence and logical deductions continue to pile up and the EC will make or break it as a "Law" or true story element meant to be there, much like the twists of The Sixth Sense and Fight Club at the end. We haven't seen the true end, so we don't know if there really is a twist, but the evidence is intriguing.

The theory of General Relativity successfully withstood: Precession of Mercury's orbit, gravitational bending of light from Venus and gravitational redshift. Also, general relativity brought us GPS. So nearly everyone is  testing the theory of relativity every morning. Until now, only confirmations.

Yes, exactly what I mean. You strengthen my point.

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?

Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.

[SubAstris]

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

[llbountyhunter]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

2039 and counting...proud to be a believer in IT, but at this point I am not sure whether this has moved from amazing depth to utter depravity...My biggest fear is that before too long we will turn in Jim Carrey's character from "The Number 23"...

No, at this point we are Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein, working out the details and evidence and fleshing everything out. Nowhere near a complete solid theory, but intriguing and plausible and backed by some credible evidence and logical deductions.

The Theory of Evolution and The Theory of Relativity are called Theories because they are untestable (so far). We can't go back in time and watch evolution unfold and we can't go somewhere at the speed of light (because that's physically impossible). However, substantial evidence and logical deduction make them possible and the majority of Science agrees with the Theories. They cannot be called Laws but they are practically as good as Laws at this point.

The Indoctrination Theory, at this point, cannot be tested. But the evidence and logical deductions continue to pile up and the EC will make or break it as a "Law" or true story element meant to be there, much like the twists of The Sixth Sense and Fight Club at the end. We haven't seen the true end, so we don't know if there really is a twist, but the evidence is intriguing.

The theory of General Relativity successfully withstood: Precession of Mercury's orbit, gravitational bending of light from Venus and gravitational redshift. Also, general relativity brought us GPS. So nearly everyone is  testing the theory of relativity every morning. Until now, only confirmations.

Yes, exactly what I mean. You strengthen my point.

anti IT'er:  "this is devils talk!, how  dare you question the endings?? your all just wasting your time!" 

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

I'm not sure if this was debunked by Epyon but it seems that the game treats Control and Synthesis as the same PlotID

Therefore, in both you might end up fighting your friends and/or being talked down by a love interest, best friend crewmate, or Anderson (your mentor). At least either Control or Synthesis allows the Reapers to win. Bioware said they would make an ending for the Reapers to win because, as everyone likes to spout constantly, our choices should matter. Even the bad ones.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 mai 2012 - 09:54 .

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

I personally would perfer no gameplay, a few cutscenes, and let the player lose.

I dont want deffeating the reapers to be easy. "it doesnt matter if you didnt notice all the obvious clues- you will win no matter what option you choose!!!!!!!!"

why, many others 
(Balance)  even wanted more wrong choices! 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 04 mai 2012 - 09:53 .

[EpyonX3]

Uncle Jo wrote...

MintyCool wrote...



Just finished tanning and landscaping my yard, beautiful day today!

Oh....

You're talking about the ending....

...again?

...Repeating the same topics over and over?

If only your parents knew that you spend hours, upon hours, of your day on here...

...they must be so disappointed...

Shame....

Well I'm off, need to open my pool. Laters!

I hope it will be soon. It's always a great moment to read your posts. They made my day.

@Dante
I've seen Epyon's vids. No doubt left, he was talking about London. I've also paid attention to Anderson as he said it for the second time. Both of his look and Shep's answers are troubling. I can't say where it is leading right now, I must think aobut throroughly...

What I'm not sure of is whether Anderson says that in the end if you don't lead into it in that conversation about Thessia. Don't really feel like testing it out, I've played the campaign enough.

But Anderson being a reaper mole would explain why he's untouched at the end and why TIM had full control over his body.

[BatmanTurian]

llbountyhunter wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

2039 and counting...proud to be a believer in IT, but at this point I am not sure whether this has moved from amazing depth to utter depravity...My biggest fear is that before too long we will turn in Jim Carrey's character from "The Number 23"...

No, at this point we are Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein, working out the details and evidence and fleshing everything out. Nowhere near a complete solid theory, but intriguing and plausible and backed by some credible evidence and logical deductions.

The Theory of Evolution and The Theory of Relativity are called Theories because they are untestable (so far). We can't go back in time and watch evolution unfold and we can't go somewhere at the speed of light (because that's physically impossible). However, substantial evidence and logical deduction make them possible and the majority of Science agrees with the Theories. They cannot be called Laws but they are practically as good as Laws at this point.

The Indoctrination Theory, at this point, cannot be tested. But the evidence and logical deductions continue to pile up and the EC will make or break it as a "Law" or true story element meant to be there, much like the twists of The Sixth Sense and Fight Club at the end. We haven't seen the true end, so we don't know if there really is a twist, but the evidence is intriguing.

The theory of General Relativity successfully withstood: Precession of Mercury's orbit, gravitational bending of light from Venus and gravitational redshift. Also, general relativity brought us GPS. So nearly everyone is  testing the theory of relativity every morning. Until now, only confirmations.

Yes, exactly what I mean. You strengthen my point.

anti IT'er:  "this is devils talk!, how  dare you question the endings?? your all just wasting your time!" 

" You're wasting your time telling us we're wasting our time, so tell me who is really wasting their own time: the time-waster wasting time talking about stuff or the time-waster wasting time telling the people talking about stuff that they're wasting their time? HMMMMM?"

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 mai 2012 - 09:55 .

[Uncle Jo]

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

You should read Arian's EC cutscenes. The alternatives proposed with Control and Synthesis are worth to be tried... So if the IT is proven true, the EC will provide more intensity and differences than the blue/green/red face value ending(s)...

[BatmanTurian]

wierd double-post

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 mai 2012 - 09:54 .

[SubAstris]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?

Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.

Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented

[blooregard]

Hey everyone most of you probably remember me talking about a thread where somebody was going through the game files and found some interesting things in them



Tell me what you people think

Modifié par blooregard, 04 mai 2012 - 09:56 .