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BatmanTurian wrote...

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I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?


I'm not sure if this was debunked by Epyon but it seems that the game treats Control and Synthesis as the same PlotID

Therefore, in both you might end up fighting your friends and/or being talked down by a love interest, best friend crewmate, or Anderson (your mentor). At least either Control or Synthesis allows the Reapers to win. Bioware said they would make an ending for the Reapers to win because, as everyone likes to spount constantly, our choices should matter. Even the bad ones.


Yeah I think s/he commented about it, I won't do the same.

Once you realise you are indoctrinated, then you would end up killing yourself presumably.

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SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented



gravity has already been proven yet people still talk about it.

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SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented


Whatever we say, you are skeptical and do not concede points. I see no reason to engage with you at all anymore.

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MintyCool wrote...



Just finished tanning and landscaping my yard; beautiful day today!


Oh....


You're talking about the ending....

...again? Repeating the same topics over and over?


If only your parents knew that you spend hours, upon hours, of your day on here...

...they must be so disappointed...

Shame....

Well I'm off, need to open my pool. Laters!





I wonder what your parents would say to you insulting other people on the internet, as if you had nothing better to do...

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Uncle Jo wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?


You should read Arian's EC cutscenes. The alternatives proposed with Control and Synthesis are worth to be tried... So if the IT is proven true, the EC will provide more intensity and differences than the blue/green/red face value ending(s)...


Or it might be as with ME3 if Shepard dies at the end of ME2 - no save import.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 mai 2012 - 10:00 .


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Hey everyone most of you probably remember me talking about a thread where somebody was going through the game files and found some interesting things in them



Tell me what you people think


I can't see the images he/she is linking. Can you paste them up for us?

EDIT: oh nevermind. Just have to click  on the user pictures part. I hate imageshack.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 mai 2012 - 10:02 .


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llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented



gravity has already been proven yet people still talk about it.


But Gravity is not proven...

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SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?


If you choose control or synthesis (my take):
You wake up in rubble, weird blue eyes, Garrus pops out of corner,

Garrus: Shepard! I didn't expect....you to...

Shepard: Don't worry about me. How's the push going?

Garrus: *looks away* Its gotten worse since you were knocked out. The situation is bad, Shepard...

Shepard: *eyes glowing* Don't worry, *points gun at Garrus' head* I've got it under control...

End Game =P

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SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented



gravity has already been proven yet people still talk about it.


But Gravity is not proven...


and yet we don't see you jumping out the window...

#51010
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BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented


Whatever we say, you are skeptical and do not concede points. I see no reason to engage with you at all anymore.


I am skeptical, doesn't mean I will not concede points and give credit where credit is due, even if it doesn't support my views

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MaximizedAction wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented



gravity has already been proven yet people still talk about it.


But Gravity is not proven...


and yet we don't see you jumping out the window...


I don't think you quite understand. Gravity has not been proved in a scientific sense, because nothing can be proven in science, only disproven

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SubAstris wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented



gravity has already been proven yet people still talk about it.


But Gravity is not proven...


and yet we don't see you jumping out the window...


I don't think you quite understand. Gravity has not been proved in a scientific sense, because nothing can be proven in science, only disproven


That was a joke.

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SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented


Whatever we say, you are skeptical and do not concede points. I see no reason to engage with you at all anymore.


I am skeptical, doesn't mean I will not concede points and give credit where credit is due, even if it doesn't support my views

I have rarely, if ever, seen you do this. Most of the time you seem deliberately obtuse.

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Bah, I'm going to bed now, see you all later!

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SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented



gravity has already been proven yet people still talk about it.


But Gravity is not proven...



are you clinging to the earth right now? if yes, then gravity is real. 

the problem is the theory behind the idea.
same with IT
its real, but there are some small hiccups in the theory

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Uncle Jo wrote...

MintyCool wrote...



Just finished tanning and landscaping my yard, beautiful day today!

Oh....

You're talking about the ending....

...again?

...Repeating the same topics over and over?

If only your parents knew that you spend hours, upon hours, of your day on here...

...they must be so disappointed...

Shame....

Well I'm off, need to open my pool. Laters!

I hope it will be soon. It's always a great moment to read your posts. They made my day.

@Dante
I've seen Epyon's vids. No doubt left, he was talking about London. I've also paid attention to Anderson as he said it for the second time. Both of his look and Shep's answers are troubling. I can't say where it is leading right now, I must think aobut throroughly...


Did you see the point that was brought up earlier? About the extended "last talk" with Anderson? He talks about never having a family, but others have pointed out that's it's stated in the books that he was divorced and in LotSB it's implied he has a son/close relative.

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estebanus wrote...

Bah, I'm going to bed now, see you all later!


G'night!

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llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented



gravity has already been proven yet people still talk about it.


But Gravity is not proven...



are you clinging to the earth right now? if yes, then gravity is real. 

the problem is the theory behind the idea.
same with IT
its real, but there are some small hiccups in the theory


Actually I'm with Sub here, if only for nitpicking :P. Gravity is one of the least understood forces :P

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To the OP: No it wasn't, the end as perceived was exactly what Bioware wanted.

The End.

If you're still feel gnostic after my heads up then just commit suicide ok? Joke!

#51020
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llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented



gravity has already been proven yet people still talk about it.


But Gravity is not proven...



are you clinging to the earth right now? if yes, then gravity is real. 

the problem is the theory behind the idea.
same with IT
its real, but there are some small hiccups in the theory


Read about falsifiability, "proof" in science, then come back to me, ok?

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SS2Dante wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented



gravity has already been proven yet people still talk about it.


But Gravity is not proven...



are you clinging to the earth right now? if yes, then gravity is real. 

the problem is the theory behind the idea.
same with IT
its real, but there are some small hiccups in the theory


Actually I'm with Sub here, if only for nitpicking :P. Gravity is one of the least understood forces :P


Oh, it's actually one of the best understood forces. It does have it's black rabbit holes, but it's still way better 'understood' than quantum theories.

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Anyone else excited for Company of Heroes 2? =(

wtb EC.

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SS2Dante wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?


Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.


Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented



gravity has already been proven yet people still talk about it.


But Gravity is not proven...



are you clinging to the earth right now? if yes, then gravity is real. 

the problem is the theory behind the idea.
same with IT
its real, but there are some small hiccups in the theory


Actually I'm with Sub here, if only for nitpicking :P. Gravity is one of the least understood forces :P


Nothing is ever understood. Posted Image

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BatmanTurian wrote...


I have rarely, if ever, seen you do this. Most of the time you seem deliberately obtuse.


And I can't honestly say that my impression of you is not rather similar. I don't mean to be harsh.

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Legbiter wrote...

To the OP: No it wasn't, the end as perceived was exactly what Bioware wanted.

The End.

If you're still feel gnostic after my heads up then just commit suicide ok? Joke!



And another drive-by-literalist with no proof.