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[polor89]

SS2Dante wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

MintyCool wrote...



Just finished tanning and landscaping my yard, beautiful day today!

Oh....

You're talking about the ending....

...again?

...Repeating the same topics over and over?

If only your parents knew that you spend hours, upon hours, of your day on here...

...they must be so disappointed...

Shame....

Well I'm off, need to open my pool. Laters!

I hope it will be soon. It's always a great moment to read your posts. They made my day.

@Dante
I've seen Epyon's vids. No doubt left, he was talking about London. I've also paid attention to Anderson as he said it for the second time. Both of his look and Shep's answers are troubling. I can't say where it is leading right now, I must think aobut throroughly...

Did you see the point that was brought up earlier? About the extended "last talk" with Anderson? He talks about never having a family, but others have pointed out that's it's stated in the books that he was divorced and in LotSB it's implied he has a son/close relative.

Well i think maybe bioware create this dialogue that was cut just to add more emotion and if it was in the product they would have successed

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


I have rarely, if ever, seen you do this. Most of the time you seem deliberately obtuse.

And I can't honestly say that my impression of you is not rather similar. I don't mean to be harsh.

Then let's not engage since it never gets us anywhere.

[SS2Dante]

polor89 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

MintyCool wrote...



Just finished tanning and landscaping my yard, beautiful day today!

Oh....

You're talking about the ending....

...again?

...Repeating the same topics over and over?

If only your parents knew that you spend hours, upon hours, of your day on here...

...they must be so disappointed...

Shame....

Well I'm off, need to open my pool. Laters!

I hope it will be soon. It's always a great moment to read your posts. They made my day.

@Dante
I've seen Epyon's vids. No doubt left, he was talking about London. I've also paid attention to Anderson as he said it for the second time. Both of his look and Shep's answers are troubling. I can't say where it is leading right now, I must think aobut throroughly...

Did you see the point that was brought up earlier? About the extended "last talk" with Anderson? He talks about never having a family, but others have pointed out that's it's stated in the books that he was divorced and in LotSB it's implied he has a son/close relative.

Well i think maybe bioware create this dialogue that was cut just to add more emotion and if it was in the product they would have successed

I don't really have any opinion on it, just think it's interesting.

[blooregard]

I realized that alot of the stuff OP posted in http://social.biowar...ndex/10944113/1 was kinda pointless so if you want to click it still there are some interesting things.

Modifié par blooregard, 04 mai 2012 - 10:17 .

[SubAstris]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


I have rarely, if ever, seen you do this. Most of the time you seem deliberately obtuse.

And I can't honestly say that my impression of you is not rather similar. I don't mean to be harsh.

Then let's not engage since it never gets us anywhere.

Very true.

[Boradam]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

I'm not sure if this was debunked by Epyon but it seems that the game treats Control and Synthesis as the same PlotID

Therefore, in both you might end up fighting your friends and/or being talked down by a love interest, best friend crewmate, or Anderson (your mentor). At least either Control or Synthesis allows the Reapers to win. Bioware said they would make an ending for the Reapers to win because, as everyone likes to spout constantly, our choices should matter. Even the bad ones.

If this is true I'll be so bloody happy.

Reaper-day for everyone, everyone gets a turn!

[SS2Dante]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Oh, it's actually one of the best understood forces. It does have it's black rabbit holes, but it's still way better 'understood' than quantum theories.

Ok, bad phrasing on my part. Though anything compared to quantum theory is well understood

[Kyzee]

Okay, I'm reposting this, and then I'm done for the day. Too much insanity every time I'm pop in here. Hopefully tomorrow will be better. Hugs to the derserving.

Kyzee wrote...

 Okay, off-topic, but this latest round of blatant disrespect has really gotten under my skin. As such, I'm linking the Extra Creditz episode on Harassment, and I'd encourage everyone to watch it. It's not about trolling, but I find it to be nonetheless relevant

http://www.penny-arc...sode/harassment

But for those of you who don't for whatever reasons, I'd like to at least quote one part of the episode:

"People who do this, the people who spew out torrents of unmitigated hate, don't want dialogue. And they don't do it out of ignorance, either. They want attention. Somewhere, something has gone so wrong in their lives that they desperately need people to pay attention to them. They need to feel important and powerful because they lack that in their real lives, and they found that they can get that by hurting people in an environment where there are literally no consequences for them. Right now, it's as if we gave the school bully access to the intercom system, and told him that everyone would hear whatever he wanted to say. It's time we took away that megaphone."

Yes, report people who are being aggressively insulting. But moreover, as many people have said, DO NOT ENGAGE THEM. There's no point, and all you're doing is encouraging them. Ignore them, deny them the attention they are seeking, and they will go away..

Once again, folks, it's not much to ask for to be mature and to treat one another with respect. Please, enough with the insults and the attacks on religion/atheism. We're better than this. Stop.

[SS2Dante]

Boradam wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

I'm not sure if this was debunked by Epyon but it seems that the game treats Control and Synthesis as the same PlotID

Therefore, in both you might end up fighting your friends and/or being talked down by a love interest, best friend crewmate, or Anderson (your mentor). At least either Control or Synthesis allows the Reapers to win. Bioware said they would make an ending for the Reapers to win because, as everyone likes to spout constantly, our choices should matter. Even the bad ones.

If this is true I'll be so bloody happy.

Reaper-day for everyone, everyone gets a turn!

Nah this was indeed debunked by Epyon. People thought End001, 002 etc referred to the 3 different endings but they in fact refer to the three areas (conduit, TIM bit and Crucible). Or at least that's how they are referred to in the other game files. So the plotID thing seems to be wrong.

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


I have rarely, if ever, seen you do this. Most of the time you seem deliberately obtuse.

And I can't honestly say that my impression of you is not rather similar. I don't mean to be harsh.

Then let's not engage since it never gets us anywhere.

Very true.

*tear trickles down from the corner of my eye*

it's just so...beautiful

[Legbiter]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

To the OP: No it wasn't, the end as perceived was exactly what Bioware wanted.

The End.

If you're still feel gnostic after my heads up then just commit suicide ok? Joke!

And another drive-by-literalist with no proof.

We of the pure Bioware fandom will receive our faith repaid a 1000-fold by the EC while you heretics shall only dine on ash and weed.

[paxxton]

SS2Dante wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Oh, it's actually one of the best understood forces. It does have it's black rabbit holes, but it's still way better 'understood' than quantum theories.

Ok, bad phrasing on my part. Though anything compared to quantum theory is well understood

If you say you understand it, you don't understand it.
If you say you don't understand it, you understand it.

[SS2Dante]

BatmanTurian wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Hey everyone most of you probably remember me talking about a thread where somebody was going through the game files and found some interesting things in them



Tell me what you people think

I can't see the images he/she is linking. Can you paste them up for us?

EDIT: oh nevermind. Just have to click  on the user pictures part. I hate imageshack.

Huh. The Traynor one is bizarre. Why the hell would it be labelled that? 

[BatmanTurian]

SS2Dante wrote...

Boradam wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

I'm not sure if this was debunked by Epyon but it seems that the game treats Control and Synthesis as the same PlotID

Therefore, in both you might end up fighting your friends and/or being talked down by a love interest, best friend crewmate, or Anderson (your mentor). At least either Control or Synthesis allows the Reapers to win. Bioware said they would make an ending for the Reapers to win because, as everyone likes to spout constantly, our choices should matter. Even the bad ones.

If this is true I'll be so bloody happy.

Reaper-day for everyone, everyone gets a turn!

Nah this was indeed debunked by Epyon. People thought End001, 002 etc referred to the 3 different endings but they in fact refer to the three areas (conduit, TIM bit and Crucible). Or at least that's how they are referred to in the other game files. So the plotID thing seems to be wrong.

Thanks. Like I said, I wasn't sure if it had been debunked or not. I'll not speak of it again.

[Simon_Says]

Rifneno wrote...

Don't have time to catch up the 16 pages I
missed... but OMG! Guys! Either my pain medication is whacking me out
more than usual, or I think I figured out something major.

HARBINGER IS THE PROTHEAN REAPER!

Ever since Byne posted that picture of Javik with the glowing yellow eyes, I've been trying to figure out what the hell. On one hand, Javik uses the same mockery of logic that starbrat uses. Toss in the glowing eyes and it sounds like he's either hardcore indoctrinated or a completely fake Reaper plant. But that doesn't add up. He doesn't exhibit any symptoms of indoctrination and when it comes to Reapers he's like a rabid wolverine. He wants Reaper blood and he wants it now. Which is the exact opposite of how he should act if he was remotely on the Reaper's side. Then it hit me: that's because the reverse is true. Their similarities aren't because Javik has Reaper ties, they're
because Harbinger has Prothean ones.

We know that Reapers, to a small extent at least, resemble their origin species. They didn't bother showing us different types of capital ships in 3 but the FMV at the end of 2 clearly shows us stark variances in some capital ships. Look at Javik's eye structure. Four eyes with the outer pair slightly higher. Now look at Harbinger's... "eyes" I guess. Six of them. Okay, I can't explain the extra two, but four of them are a perfect match for Prothean eye structure. I think the reason they dumped Javik having glowing yellow eyes is because it'd make it too obvious what Harbinger is. The aforementioned perversion of logic, "oh no'es teh machines will dustruy us all!" It's pretty retarded. Which begs the question, why would Harbinger give Shepard an explanation for the Reapers that was so
retarded? Why not go with something that makes at least some semblence of sense like the dark energy theory? Because depending on how much of the minds of the people used to create him still exist, he either genuinely believes it himself or he knows that it's an explanation organics will believe because he, er, "they" used to. He's appealing to Shepard with Prothean logic.

Also remember the control ending is labeled internally and in the Prima guide as "become a Reaper". If
Harbinger is leading the Reapers because he's currently the newest and best model, it makes sense that if Shepard became a Reaper he'd control them. So in a super terrible way, the control ending would be legit.

Counterpoints:
- The two extra eyes. ... Yeah, I got nothin'.

- EDI claims "they tried to create a Prothean Reaper and failed": She never explains how she came to that conclusion. On that basis alone it's hard not to take with a grain of salt. Besides, she didn't say it was their only attempt to create one. In fact, EDI usually explains at least the basis for her conclusions if not the complete summary of how she reached them. And Shepard has time to ask her all sorts of other questions so it's not like they didn't have 5 seconds for her to say "I see a detect a note at the bottom of the pit reading 'Stupid protheans'
DNA won't work, I'm abandoning the ****ers and waiting for the next species.'" I have to wonder if she didn't actually say that because the writers wanted to throw us off.

- Harbinger's codex claims him the oldest and largest of the Reaper armada: There's no way they could
possibly know he's the oldest. That's a wild guess. It has to be. They couldn't even put a date the damned Citadel and they lived on the thing for thousands of years. What, did Harbinger let somebody scrape some metal off for carbon dating? Bull****. Actually, I think the opposite is more likely. When production cost isn't a factor, the
newest model of something is pretty much always the best. Features and technology improves over time, and re-fitting older models is often extremely difficult or impossible. So logically the newest Reaper would be the "best".

Honestly, I was under the impression that the Collector ship was some kind of stillborn reaper. Either that or Sovereign was the prothean reaper. I mean, think of it. They have so many interests in common: subjugating lesser species, ranting about how great they are...

byne wrote...

One thing I've been wondering about.

If the end is indeed a hallucination, 'Anderson' on the Citadel would just be a figment of Shep's imagination based on what Shep knows about Anderson, and Shep doesnt seem to know much about Anderson's past, not even knowing he was born in London.

In the cut version of the final talk with Anderson, he mentions how he 'never had a family, Shepard, never had children.'

As far as Shep knows, that is the case, since he has never talked to her about his family or any possible children, but we know for sure he at least had a wife, because at the beginning of Revelation, Anderson goes to get drunk at Chora's Den because his divorce has just been finalized.

The Shadow Broker Dossier on Anderson also kind of implies he has a son:

Intercept 04:23//#12947 - DA - 325
Sender: Cynthia Barris, Atlanta, Earth

David,

Henry and I went to Jason's graduation ceremony in San Francisco today. Such a beautiful occasion! All those gowns and bright spirits. So much potential! I know Henry would frown at the thought, but I couldn't help recalling the pomp around your appointment to the Hastings. You were the second in command, weren't you? The military always did ceremony very well. God, that was a lifetime ago.

Jason says to send his best. I'm so proud of him! "Aerospace Engineer." I don't pretend to understand what he does, but the gleam in his eyes when he is trying to explain his latest designs to me say that he has found his place in this universe. He wanted you to be there, at his ceremony, but I know duty calls. He sees you as a heroic figure off fighting grand battles in space. I hope you can make it for the holidays this year. Henry asked just the other day. I know you don't see eye to eye on much but he respects you. He respects what you do. And you know Jason is over the moon when you can take the time to review his ship designs.
Let me know about the holidays and David, please be careful.

Love,
Cynthia

Now, the REAL Anderson knows he had a wife, and would know if he had a kid or not, but Shepard wouldnt know that, so in her mind the final chat with Anderson mentioning he'd never had a family would have been accurate, but could have been intended as a hint something was off to people familiar with the lore of the ME universe.

Yknow, if they hadnt cut that awesome scene for no damned reason.

Maybe it would've been too obvious a clue?

Well there was that huge debacle over that last book that was full of lore contradictions, so it may have been cut when someone realized that yeah, that conversation contradicted lore. But then we have to wonder why they would do that and not realize the other problems with the ending. Or it was cut because they didn't want to be obvious about something. Seems odd though that Shepard wouldn't know of Anderson's history and family. I mean, he's only a pseudo-father-figure...

jkthunder wrote...

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

Welcome to the Line, recruit. Also, the OP is still outdated as far as I'm aware. We've found a lot of interesting stuff to think about since then.

SubAstris wrote...

Once you realise you are indoctrinated, then you would end up killing yourself presumably.

That. Or the reapers could win. Or you could have found a "get outta jail free" card like what's possible with Wrex and Tali's personal quests in ME1 and 2, and Priority: Rannoch. I think Rif suggested that the rachni queen/javik's memory shard/sha'ira's trinket could be used as a fallback of some sort to short circuit the indoctrination. Even if only temporarily...

IT does leave room for some good storytelling opportunity even if the player chooses a 'failure' state.

RedDeadRemix wrote...

If you choose control or synthesis (my take):
You wake up in rubble, weird blue eyes, Garrus pops out of corner,

Garrus: Shepard! I didn't expect....you to...

Shepard: Don't worry about me. How's the push going?

Garrus: *looks away* Its gotten worse since you were knocked out. The situation is bad, Shepard...

Shepard: *eyes glowing* Don't worry, *points gun at Garrus' head* I've got it under control...

End Game =P

Ooohoho. That's good. Too bad Garrus isn't guaranteed to be alive by then... but Liara is.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 04 mai 2012 - 10:31 .

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Oh, it's actually one of the best understood forces. It does have it's black rabbit holes, but it's still way better 'understood' than quantum theories.

Ok, bad phrasing on my part. Though anything compared to quantum theory is well understood

If you say you understand it, you don't understand it.
If you say you don't understand it, you understand it.

No, no, no, that's the Tao.

[Uncle Jo]

EpyonX3 wrote...



What I'm not sure of is whether Anderson says that in the end if you don't lead into it in that conversation about Thessia. Don't really feel like testing it out, I've played the campaign enough.

But Anderson being a reaper mole would explain why he's untouched at the end and why TIM had full control over his body.

I'm also not sure if you have the conversation with Anderson automatically after finishing the Thessia mission or if you have to go extra to the communication room. Furthermore you're very likely informed by Traynor that Anderson wants to talk to you (not many players would intentionally miss this).
Bioware could have let the "I was born in London" just for the conversation in the shuttle after the Hades mission, so no one would have missed it. So why repeating it twice ? I just can't put a satisfying explanation on it.
I see your point, it could be an good argument for the face-value ending.
But then I remember the Starbrat, Synthesis, Joker fleeing...

[DJBare]

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

[Boradam]

Legbiter wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

To the OP: No it wasn't, the end as perceived was exactly what Bioware wanted.

The End.

If you're still feel gnostic after my heads up then just commit suicide ok? Joke!

And another drive-by-literalist with no proof.

We of the pure Bioware fandom will receive our faith repaid a 1000-fold by the EC while you heretics shall only dine on ash and weed.

Technically it should be reversed in that joke seeing that most of the die-hard Mass Effect fans seem to be flocking to this idea rather than the casual/BioBashers who seem to be flocking to the literalistic side.

Modifié par Boradam, 04 mai 2012 - 10:29 .

[SubAstris]

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

Yeah, surely not. What would really amuse me is if the EC adds NOTHING to synthesis or control, and it's all in destroy. Get a bunch of people on the forums screaming about the download that did nothing

[SS2Dante]

By the way, in that other thread someone is taking the game files apart and he's found one that's just...well...

http://imageshack.us/f/36/legitd.jpg/

It's another cubemap...the hell...?

[polor89]

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

If the IT is correct then yes it doesnt matter at all exept if shepard is indoctrinated or not

[MaximizedAction]

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, in that other thread someone is taking the game files apart and he's found one that's just...well...

http://imageshack.us/f/36/legitd.jpg/

It's another cubemap...the hell...?

Looks like Earth. But this tidy, AT THE END???
Man, only Bioware knows why they cut what they cut...

[Legbiter]

Boradam wrote...

Technically it should be reversed in that joke seeing that most of the die-hard Mass Effect fans seem to be flocking to this idea rather than the casual/BioBashers seem to be flocking to the literalistic side.

Yet at the hour of judgment our flame will burn the brightests as we ascend.


While you scum get to taste the bitter fruits of sin.