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[BatmanTurian]

Legbiter wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

To the OP: No it wasn't, the end as perceived was exactly what Bioware wanted.

The End.

If you're still feel gnostic after my heads up then just commit suicide ok? Joke!

And another drive-by-literalist with no proof.

We of the pure Bioware fandom will receive our faith repaid a 1000-fold by the EC while you heretics shall only dine on ash and weed.

More baseless fluff. There are hundreds of you outside this thread saying the same thing and not truly understanding your own words.

[paxxton]

DJBare! I've seen your forum thread http://social.biowar.../index/11651749 . So if the Reapers act out of the need for monopoly, why not destroy organics altogether?

Modifié par paxxton, 04 mai 2012 - 10:39 .

[SubAstris]

polor89 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

If the IT is correct then yes it doesnt matter at all exept if shepard is indoctrinated or not

Yes, but of all the theories that I have seen regarding the EC using IT, this seems the least plausible. If you are developing, you just don't waste time, money, resources on something completely useful (ME was on a tight schedule already). I don't think BW really just make things for "fun" in this way

[SS2Dante]

Another thing in that thread as well. I'll just quote it.

"Ok, check this out... in the file for the conversation with the kid in the vent theres this file:

http://postimage.org...wjvv5gyxf/full/

Guardian Child conversation... think that just affirms that the kid was never real."

Apparently the child at the end is labelled "guardian" and the textures for him on earth also have "grd" in the name.

EDIT - I can already see the refutations coming that they never named the kid anything special btw

Modifié par SS2Dante, 04 mai 2012 - 10:40 .

[Uncle Jo]

SS2Dante wrote...


Did you see the point that was brought up earlier? About the extended "last talk" with Anderson? He talks about never having a family, but others have pointed out that's it's stated in the books that he was divorced and in LotSB it's implied he has a son/close relative.

Yeah I've read it, it's absolutely mindblowing. I don't know much about the books and I'm right now playing ME2 again with the DLC I didn't have... Come to think of it the whole final mission was, as someone pointed it out, surreal and it still didn't reveal all its secrets, not to speak about the endings.

[DJBare]

Hey guys, remember that mystery person on the garden planet?(some thinking it maybe Garrus), I just reloaded and replayed the ending selecting destroy, Shepard did not survive(no breath scene) but the interesting thing, no mystery person either, I've gone over it frame by frame in in virtuadub, nothing, nada, not there.

[Dwailing]

Legbiter wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Technically it should be reversed in that joke seeing that most of the die-hard Mass Effect fans seem to be flocking to this idea rather than the casual/BioBashers seem to be flocking to the literalistic side.

Yet at the hour of judgment our flame will burn the brightests as we ascend.


While you scum get to taste the bitter fruits of sin.

Uh, with all due respect, what are you smoking?  It seems like pretty powerful stuff.

[BatmanTurian]

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, ok. Pretty giant thing in that thread as well. I'll just quote it.

"Ok, check this out... in the file for the conversation with the kid in the vent theres this file:

http://postimage.org...wjvv5gyxf/full/

Guardian Child conversation... think that just affirms that the kid was never real."

Apparently the child at the end is labelled "guardian" and the textures for him on earth also have "grd" in the name.

EDIT - I can already see the refutations coming that they never named the kid anything special btw

Actually, I seem to remember someone mentioning this hundreds of pages before, before I started contributing to the thread. It's interesting, to say the least.

[Uncle Jo]

Legbiter wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Technically it should be reversed in that joke seeing that most of the die-hard Mass Effect fans seem to be flocking to this idea rather than the casual/BioBashers seem to be flocking to the literalistic side.

Yet at the hour of judgment our flame will burn the brightests as we ascend.


While you scum get to taste the bitter fruits of sin.

I would politely ask you to stay civil. Flaming doesn't lead anywhere...

[Allan Schumacher]

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?

Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.

Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented

If we're using the scientific definition fo the word theory, they are often constantly reinforced and can be iterated upon for muuuuch longer than ME3 has even be released.

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

polor89 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

If the IT is correct then yes it doesnt matter at all exept if shepard is indoctrinated or not

Yes, but of all the theories that I have seen regarding the EC using IT, this seems the least plausible. If you are developing, you just don't waste time, money, resources on something completely useful (ME was on a tight schedule already). I don't think BW really just make things for "fun" in this way

Interjecting briefly. by evidence that it is in the game, it was not done just for "fun". It's part of the story.

[SS2Dante]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, ok. Pretty giant thing in that thread as well. I'll just quote it.

"Ok, check this out... in the file for the conversation with the kid in the vent theres this file:

http://postimage.org...wjvv5gyxf/full/

Guardian Child conversation... think that just affirms that the kid was never real."

Apparently the child at the end is labelled "guardian" and the textures for him on earth also have "grd" in the name.

EDIT - I can already see the refutations coming that they never named the kid anything special btw

Actually, I seem to remember someone mentioning this hundreds of pages before, before I started contributing to the thread. It's interesting, to say the least.

Yeah, we're all probably just discussing the same stuff in a big repeating cycle -very meta and people have defintely made that joke before super meta-

[Simon_Says]

SubAstris wrote...

polor89 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

If the IT is correct then yes it doesnt matter at all exept if shepard is indoctrinated or not

Yes, but of all the theories that I have seen regarding the EC using IT, this seems the least plausible. If you are developing, you just don't waste time, money, resources on something completely useful (ME was on a tight schedule already). I don't think BW really just make things for "fun" in this way

Eh, wot? What do you mean it doesn't matter?

Shepard's battle with the reapers for their soul and the soul of humanity doesn't matter?

[SubAstris]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?

Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.

Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented

If we're using the scientific definition fo the word theory, they are often constantly reinforced and can be iterated upon for muuuuch longer than ME3 has even be released.

True, but usually literary interpretations don't require such effort to achieve consensus.

[BatmanTurian]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?

Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.

Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented

If we're using the scientific definition fo the word theory, they are often constantly reinforced and can be iterated upon for muuuuch longer than ME3 has even be released.

Thanks, Allan.

[Simon_Says]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

If we're using the scientific definition fo the word theory, they are often constantly reinforced and can be iterated upon for muuuuch longer than ME3 has even be released.

You tease.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 04 mai 2012 - 10:47 .

[SubAstris]

Simon_Says wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

polor89 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

If the IT is correct then yes it doesnt matter at all exept if shepard is indoctrinated or not

Yes, but of all the theories that I have seen regarding the EC using IT, this seems the least plausible. If you are developing, you just don't waste time, money, resources on something completely useful (ME was on a tight schedule already). I don't think BW really just make things for "fun" in this way

Eh, wot? What do you mean it doesn't matter?

Shepard's battle with the reapers for their soul and the soul of humanity doesn't matter?

I was responding to someone who basically wrote off the bit from Harbinger's beam to the end if IT is true, which implies that BW made a completely useless, meaningless ending

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?

Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.

Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented

If we're using the scientific definition fo the word theory, they are often constantly reinforced and can be iterated upon for muuuuch longer than ME3 has even be released.

True, but usually literary interpretations don't require such effort to achieve consensus.

Did you become a master on literary interpretation in the 2 hours my internet was down?

(On a side note, this happened yesterday too, and caused me to miss the 2000th page. Get your act together Comcast!)

[SubAstris]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

polor89 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

If the IT is correct then yes it doesnt matter at all exept if shepard is indoctrinated or not

Yes, but of all the theories that I have seen regarding the EC using IT, this seems the least plausible. If you are developing, you just don't waste time, money, resources on something completely useful (ME was on a tight schedule already). I don't think BW really just make things for "fun" in this way

Interjecting briefly. by evidence that it is in the game, it was not done just for "fun". It's part of the story.

If IT is true, then yes. But someone was implying that it was completely worthless

[Simon_Says]

SubAstris wrote...

True, but usually literary interpretations don't require such effort to achieve consensus.

Cite an example of a major literary interpretation debate that was as big as the ones surrounding ME3's ending that reached consensus faster than the two months we've had.

Also, people are still discussing and interpretting Shakespeare. So yeah...

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?

Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.

Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented

If we're using the scientific definition fo the word theory, they are often constantly reinforced and can be iterated upon for muuuuch longer than ME3 has even be released.

True, but usually literary interpretations don't require such effort to achieve consensus.

Are you kidding, Sub!? I do English lit as well as comp sci at University and I can tell you that noone has ever bloody achieved conscensus in literary stuff

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?

Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.

Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented

If we're using the scientific definition fo the word theory, they are often constantly reinforced and can be iterated upon for muuuuch longer than ME3 has even be released.

True, but usually literary interpretations don't require such effort to achieve consensus.

Did you become a master on literary interpretation in the 2 hours my internet was down?

Yeah, keep up!

[Dwailing]

SubAstris wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?

Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.

Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented

If we're using the scientific definition fo the word theory, they are often constantly reinforced and can be iterated upon for muuuuch longer than ME3 has even be released.

True, but usually literary interpretations don't require such effort to achieve consensus.

Uh, I should point out that we're not really literary EXPERTS so much as people who just spend WAY too much time playing this game and have seen a lot of different things that have suggested an alternative to blindly accepting what we see.  If it's taking longer than usual to achieve consensus, it may simply be that we aren't really experts.  And really, I'm pretty sure that even if we haven't already, we are very close to achieving consensus.

Edit: And as several people have pointed out, very few literary analysts have ever achieved complete consensus about the "point" of any given book.

Modifié par Dwailing, 04 mai 2012 - 10:48 .

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

polor89 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

If the IT is correct then yes it doesnt matter at all exept if shepard is indoctrinated or not

Yes, but of all the theories that I have seen regarding the EC using IT, this seems the least plausible. If you are developing, you just don't waste time, money, resources on something completely useful (ME was on a tight schedule already). I don't think BW really just make things for "fun" in this way

Interjecting briefly. by evidence that it is in the game, it was not done just for "fun". It's part of the story.

If IT is true, then yes. But someone was implying that it was completely worthless

No, you're confused. You are the one saying it is worthless. We say, it is a meaningful metaphor and a battle in the mind as a precursor to a physical battle to come.

[SS2Dante]

Just in case any people try to argue that the blurs during the TIM convo aren't indoctrination blurs

http://postimage.org...4m3bvrsxh/full/