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[SubAstris]

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

If the code had truly been cracked, why are there over 2,000 pages of debate and discussion?

Because we are still discussing a theory and hammering out the details. That takes time and sometimes many minds. It is not something that happens overnight.

Still, most literary theories don't tend to take this long to iron out and make complete. After probably a million words (and counting), seems a bit long forsomething BW allegedly implemented

If we're using the scientific definition fo the word theory, they are often constantly reinforced and can be iterated upon for muuuuch longer than ME3 has even be released.

True, but usually literary interpretations don't require such effort to achieve consensus.

Are you kidding, Sub!? I do English lit as well as comp sci at University and I can tell you that noone has ever bloody achieved conscensus in literary stuff

An interesting mix I would say I mean in terms of the main aspects of the plot. The finer aspects may be debated, yes

Modifié par SubAstris, 04 mai 2012 - 10:48 .

[polor89]

Simon_Says wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

polor89 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

If the IT is correct then yes it doesnt matter at all exept if shepard is indoctrinated or not

Yes, but of all the theories that I have seen regarding the EC using IT, this seems the least plausible. If you are developing, you just don't waste time, money, resources on something completely useful (ME was on a tight schedule already). I don't think BW really just make things for "fun" in this way

Eh, wot? What do you mean it doesn't matter?

Shepard's battle with the reapers for their soul and the soul of humanity doesn't matter?

You need to make  the ending of this saga  logical and fitting with lore the characters and the protagonist mass effect 3 currend ending does NOTHING of this so i dont care if its "fun" i want to see something that feels ''real'' and logical

[SixG90]

DJBare wrote...

Hey guys, remember that mystery person on the garden planet?(some thinking it maybe Garrus), I just reloaded and replayed the ending selecting destroy, Shepard did not survive(no breath scene) but the interesting thing, no mystery person either, I've gone over it frame by frame in in virtuadub, nothing, nada, not there.

mystery per- wait, WHAT? can you eaborate please? 

Modifié par mrs.N7, 04 mai 2012 - 10:50 .

[SubAstris]

SS2Dante wrote...

Just in case any people try to argue that the blurs during the TIM convo aren't indoctrination blurs

http://postimage.org...4m3bvrsxh/full/

I don't believe that a lot of people don't think those aren't indoc' blurs. Most people who don't believe IT is true think that it is TIM who is using his newly-founded powers to partly control Shep and Anderson

[paxxton]

mrs.N7 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Hey guys, remember that mystery person on the garden planet?(some thinking it maybe Garrus), I just reloaded and replayed the ending selecting destroy, Shepard did not survive(no breath scene) but the interesting thing, no mystery person either, I've gone over it frame by frame in in virtuadub, nothing, nada, not there.

mistery per- wait, WHAT? can you eaborate please? 

Garden planet??

[BatmanTurian]

polor89 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

polor89 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

If the IT is correct then yes it doesnt matter at all exept if shepard is indoctrinated or not

Yes, but of all the theories that I have seen regarding the EC using IT, this seems the least plausible. If you are developing, you just don't waste time, money, resources on something completely useful (ME was on a tight schedule already). I don't think BW really just make things for "fun" in this way

Eh, wot? What do you mean it doesn't matter?

Shepard's battle with the reapers for their soul and the soul of humanity doesn't matter?

You need to make  the ending of this saga  logical and fitting with lore the characters and the protagonist mass effect 3 currend ending does NOTHING of this so i dont care if its "fun" i want to see something that feels ''real'' and logical

And that's what the EC promises to be.

[Simon_Says]

SubAstris wrote...

I was responding to someone who basically wrote off the bit from Harbinger's beam to the end if IT is true, which implies that BW made a completely useless, meaningless ending

Well I'm reading it again and I'm seeing it as "no the events post-beam did not happen 'in the real world'". Not that they were meaningless or useless. The dream sequence of course has purpose and meaning. It's the culmination of the entire ME story arc!

Dumbledore said...

Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that
mean that it is not real?”

[Hawk227]

SubAstris wrote...

Yes, but of all the theories that I have seen regarding the EC using IT, this seems the least plausible. If you are developing, you just don't waste time, money, resources on something completely useful (ME was on a tight schedule already). I don't think BW really just make things for "fun" in this way

You don't understand. To say it didn't happen does not mean it is not important. It is the battle for Shep's mind. This is perhaps the most important moment in the entire series.

What happens if you pick control/synthesis is unknown. Many people have different preferences. Some think there'll be gameplay allowing some sort of redemption where Shepard kills himself rather than undermining the effort, or struggles to break out of it. Others think there'll be a short cinematic where it's made clear that Shepard was indoctrinated, and the last hope for the galaxy is lost. We won't know until the summer, and only if IT is true (I think it is, but I stray from absolutes)

SubAstris wrote....

True, but usually literary interpretations don't require such effort to achieve consensus.

Don't be ridiculous. Have we come to consensus on the ending of Inception? The ending of the Sopranos?

[Sero303]

I tried to explain why I love the Mass Effect series, and what the "big deal" was with the ending. So I told him, ME3's ending was as if, you went all through all four years of high school, then went to college for another eight studying your specific field and the day before graduating, they announce no degree is actually needed for the job you want, and you just wasted a nice chunk of your life, spent an extraordinary amount of money time and energy to get where you are now, only to find out that nothing you did actually mattered. Then I asked him if he would just "rage-quit" life after that?
His response: "I'd rage quit a lot of other people before I did that"

[SixG90]

paxxton wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Hey guys, remember that mystery person on the garden planet?(some thinking it maybe Garrus), I just reloaded and replayed the ending selecting destroy, Shepard did not survive(no breath scene) but the interesting thing, no mystery person either, I've gone over it frame by frame in in virtuadub, nothing, nada, not there.

mistery per- wait, WHAT? can you eaborate please? 

Garden planet??

ahah lol! I see that I'm not the only confused one...

[polor89]

BatmanTurian wrote...

polor89 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

polor89 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

If the IT is correct then yes it doesnt matter at all exept if shepard is indoctrinated or not

Yes, but of all the theories that I have seen regarding the EC using IT, this seems the least plausible. If you are developing, you just don't waste time, money, resources on something completely useful (ME was on a tight schedule already). I don't think BW really just make things for "fun" in this way

Eh, wot? What do you mean it doesn't matter?

Shepard's battle with the reapers for their soul and the soul of humanity doesn't matter?

You need to make  the ending of this saga  logical and fitting with lore the characters and the protagonist mass effect 3 currend ending does NOTHING of this so i dont care if its "fun" i want to see something that feels ''real'' and logical

And that's what the EC promises to be.

I will believe it when i see it

[MegumiAzusa]

SS2Dante wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Hey everyone most of you probably remember me talking about a thread where somebody was going through the game files and found some interesting things in them



Tell me what you people think

I can't see the images he/she is linking. Can you paste them up for us?

EDIT: oh nevermind. Just have to click  on the user pictures part. I hate imageshack.

Huh. The Traynor one is bizarre. Why the hell would it be labelled that? 

The Traynor/Cortez packages are loaded for the possibility one of them is your LI and steps out of the Normandy.

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Just in case any people try to argue that the blurs during the TIM convo aren't indoctrination blurs

http://postimage.org...4m3bvrsxh/full/

I don't believe that a lot of people don't think those aren't indoc' blurs. Most people who don't believe IT is true think that it is TIM who is using his newly-founded powers to partly control Shep and Anderson

Um...minor quibble here maybe, but it's labelled "Reaper indoc", not TIM indoc. I'm fine with the literalist view that TIM is being used to transmit indoc signals (as indoc victims are stated to do) but not that it's TIM himself causing those blurry lines.

May have misunderstood you of course

[Simon_Says]

paxxton wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Hey guys, remember that mystery person on the garden planet?(some thinking it maybe Garrus), I just reloaded and replayed the ending selecting destroy, Shepard did not survive(no breath scene) but the interesting thing, no mystery person either, I've gone over it frame by frame in in virtuadub, nothing, nada, not there.

mistery per- wait, WHAT? can you eaborate please? 

Garden planet??

A while back someone with a keen eye noticed that in the synthesis ending, besides Joker, EDI and Liara, they saw Garrus walking behind some shrubs in the background.

There was much speculating.

[byne]

Yknow how if you dont tell Kelly to change her identity, she trusts the Cerberus troops during the Coup, and they kill her?

Well I was browsing the Party Temple thread and found this:



Kelly trusted Cerberus, they killed her.

Kelly trusted Shepard, its possible for Shepard to let her die.

Kelly trusts synthesis?

Well, yet another reason for me not to trust it.

[SubAstris]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

polor89 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I was just wondering, what do IT theorists think will happen in the EC if you choice Control or Synthesis? Will you have a completely different cutscene/gameplay experience compared to those who chose Destory do you think? Or do will you just not play anymore?

If IT plays out, those options(including destroy) may very well not have been real.

My headcanon has Shepard waking up in the rubble after being hit by harbingers laser, he never made it to the citadel, he never killed those three husks, he did not killed Marauder shields, they were never real.

So everything that happened from Harbinger's beam to the end doesn't matter AT ALL?

If the IT is correct then yes it doesnt matter at all exept if shepard is indoctrinated or not

Yes, but of all the theories that I have seen regarding the EC using IT, this seems the least plausible. If you are developing, you just don't waste time, money, resources on something completely useful (ME was on a tight schedule already). I don't think BW really just make things for "fun" in this way

Interjecting briefly. by evidence that it is in the game, it was not done just for "fun". It's part of the story.

If IT is true, then yes. But someone was implying that it was completely worthless

No, you're confused. You are the one saying it is worthless. We say, it is a meaningful metaphor and a battle in the mind as a precursor to a physical battle to come.

If you read the comments in bold, I was responding to that specifically.

[Boradam]

DJBare wrote...

Hey guys, remember that mystery person on the garden planet?(some thinking it maybe Garrus), I just reloaded and replayed the ending selecting destroy, Shepard did not survive(no breath scene) but the interesting thing, no mystery person either, I've gone over it frame by frame in in virtuadub, nothing, nada, not there.

Wait, what mystery person on the garden world?

[DJBare]

Simon_Says wrote...

paxxton wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Hey guys, remember that mystery person on the garden planet?(some thinking it maybe Garrus), I just reloaded and replayed the ending selecting destroy, Shepard did not survive(no breath scene) but the interesting thing, no mystery person either, I've gone over it frame by frame in in virtuadub, nothing, nada, not there.

mistery per- wait, WHAT? can you eaborate please? 

Garden planet??

A while back someone with a keen eye noticed that in the synthesis ending, besides Joker, EDI and Liara, they saw Garrus walking behind some shrubs in the background.

There was much speculating.

Yeah, now I got to go back and make sure Shepard survives destroy to see if that mystery person shows up, it's a damn slog at the moment though.

[BatmanTurian]

picture won't post. nevermind.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 mai 2012 - 11:01 .

[SS2Dante]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Hey everyone most of you probably remember me talking about a thread where somebody was going through the game files and found some interesting things in them



Tell me what you people think

I can't see the images he/she is linking. Can you paste them up for us?

EDIT: oh nevermind. Just have to click  on the user pictures part. I hate imageshack.

Huh. The Traynor one is bizarre. Why the hell would it be labelled that? 

The Traynor/Cortez packages are loaded for the possibility one of them is your LI and steps out of the Normandy.

I totally forgot about them being LI's! That's cool. Never seen them in the end game, did anyone get that?

Man, the model looks creepy as hell

[SubAstris]

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Just in case any people try to argue that the blurs during the TIM convo aren't indoctrination blurs

http://postimage.org...4m3bvrsxh/full/

I don't believe that a lot of people don't think those aren't indoc' blurs. Most people who don't believe IT is true think that it is TIM who is using his newly-founded powers to partly control Shep and Anderson

Um...minor quibble here maybe, but it's labelled "Reaper indoc", not TIM indoc. I'm fine with the literalist view that TIM is being used to transmit indoc signals (as indoc victims are stated to do) but not that it's TIM himself causing those blurry lines.

May have misunderstood you of course

Of course, TIM is using Reaper tech. It is the Reaper tech, not TIM himself which is causing the indoctrination IMO

[Unschuld]

SubAstris wrote...

True, but usually literary interpretations don't require such effort to achieve consensus.

You're kidding, right?

There has to be a better reason for my spitting out a mouthful of delicious Chard.

Modifié par Unschuld, 04 mai 2012 - 11:04 .

[SixG90]

Simon_Says wrote...

paxxton wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Hey guys, remember that mystery person on the garden planet?(some thinking it maybe Garrus), I just reloaded and replayed the ending selecting destroy, Shepard did not survive(no breath scene) but the interesting thing, no mystery person either, I've gone over it frame by frame in in virtuadub, nothing, nada, not there.

mistery per- wait, WHAT? can you elaborate please? 

Garden planet??

A while back someone with a keen eye noticed that in the synthesis ending, besides Joker, EDI and Liara, they saw Garrus walking behind some shrubs in the background.

There was much speculating.

Poor Garrus, he lost his mind!! by the way, there is a screenshot of this? Now i'm curious...

[MegumiAzusa]

DJBare wrote...

Hey guys, remember that mystery person on the garden planet?(some thinking it maybe Garrus), I just reloaded and replayed the ending selecting destroy, Shepard did not survive(no breath scene) but the interesting thing, no mystery person either, I've gone over it frame by frame in in virtuadub, nothing, nada, not there.

Only appears in Synthesis as there it's always EDI, LI, second mate from other endings.

[dreamgazer]

SS2Dante wrote...

Just in case any people try to argue that the blurs during the TIM convo aren't indoctrination blurs

http://postimage.org...4m3bvrsxh/full/

Huh.  I didn't realize that was even under debate.