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[Simon_Says]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uh they realized it as soon as they found the ruins on Mars.

It's one thing to find the ruins of ancient aliens. It's another to have cuttlebones in ur base, killing ur dudes.

[byne]

Yknow, this talk about the First Contact War reminds me: it was a shame Ash and Victus were never on the Normandy at the same time.

Victus fought during the First Contact War, I bet he would have had some interesting things to say about Ash's grandfather.

[MegumiAzusa]

Simon_Says wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uh they realized it as soon as they found the ruins on Mars.

It's one thing to find the ruins of ancient aliens. It's another to have cuttlebones in ur base, killing ur dudes.

Nah as long as later I can have my dudes in your base, killing you dudes... it's fine :3

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

Yknow, this talk about the First Contact War reminds me: it was a shame Ash and Victus were never on the Normandy at the same time.

Victus fought during the First Contact War, I bet he would have had some interesting things to say about Ash's grandfather.

I actually never liked Ash because of hers and her families anti alien attitude. Interesting character but no one I would like having around too much...

[Uncle Jo]

byne wrote...


We already know what it was.

They just started randomly throwing nukes through the relays hoping to ruin someone's day.

The cynical ones would say it was a necessary evil since the humans didn't know much about the other races, their intentions and military potential. But still reckless...

@MegumiAzusa
You're completely true but there is still a difference between finding the prothean ruins and getting bombed by an alien Fleet

[NeoDobby]

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Just in case any people try to argue that the blurs during the TIM convo aren't indoctrination blurs

http://postimage.org...4m3bvrsxh/full/

I don't believe that a lot of people don't think those aren't indoc' blurs. Most people who don't believe IT is true think that it is TIM who is using his newly-founded powers to partly control Shep and Anderson

Um...minor quibble here maybe, but it's labelled "Reaper indoc", not TIM indoc. I'm fine with the literalist view that TIM is being used to transmit indoc signals (as indoc victims are stated to do) but not that it's TIM himself causing those blurry lines.

May have misunderstood you of course

Of course, TIM is using Reaper tech. It is the Reaper tech, not TIM himself which is causing the indoctrination IMO

So you're okay with TIM's Reaper Tech causing indoctrination, but not ACTUAL Reaper Tech....

Your logic is flawed.

No, this is a strawman of my position. Of course Reaper tech can indoctrinate, I just saw very little evidence for in-game outside the ending of it actually doing so.

Hmm, let me get this straight. You're fine with believing that TIM's Reaper implants can indoctrinate and control someone, with very little evidence for it? But you find IT unlikely despite all the possible evidence we discovered?

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

yeah I get it. No need to rub it in.

I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS

  
edit : they should make posting pictures easier.... why do i always screw it up...

Heh, never a good idea to drag and drop with this forum's software.

Alas, you are right.

Today, you have all figured out my secret. I am not perfect.

Let me reap you to fix this error in organic evolution.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Yknow, this talk about the First Contact War reminds me: it was a shame Ash and Victus were never on the Normandy at the same time.

Victus fought during the First Contact War, I bet he would have had some interesting things to say about Ash's grandfather.

I actually never liked Ash because of hers and her families anti alien attitude. Interesting character but no one I would like having around too much...

If you romance her you can get her to change her anti-alien attitude a bit.

In one playthrough I took her and Liara to the final fight against Saren, and Liara was all "You should totally let the Council die, you need to protect the human fleet!" and Ash was all "No! You need to save the Council!"

Needless to say I was quite surprised.

Plus, I prefer interesting racist to bland Carth Onasi 2: Electric Boogaloo any day.

Modifié par byne, 05 mai 2012 - 12:26 .

[Simon_Says]

You know, while I like all the pretty pictures, would it be possible for you people not to pick the ones that are so bloody titanically enormous?

[Arian Dynas]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Yknow, this talk about the First Contact War reminds me: it was a shame Ash and Victus were never on the Normandy at the same time.

Victus fought during the First Contact War, I bet he would have had some interesting things to say about Ash's grandfather.

I actually never liked Ash because of hers and her families anti alien attitude. Interesting character but no one I would like having around too much...

She's not so much "anti-alien" as she is "human-first" in fact she hates anti alien groups like Cerberus and the Terra Firma Party. 

She's not comfortable around aliens, she'll be the first to admit that, but neither was Pressley, she was just a bit more verbal about it.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Yknow, this talk about the First Contact War reminds me: it was a shame Ash and Victus were never on the Normandy at the same time.

Victus fought during the First Contact War, I bet he would have had some interesting things to say about Ash's grandfather.

I actually never liked Ash because of hers and her families anti alien attitude. Interesting character but no one I would like having around too much...

If you romance her you can get her to change her anti-alien attitude a bit.

In one playthrough I took her and Liara to the final fight against Saren, and Liara was all "You should totally let the Council die, you need to protect the human fleet!" and Ash was all "No! You need to save the Council!"

Needless to say I was quite surprised.

Plus, I prefer interesting racist to bland Carth Onasi 2: Electric Boogaloo any day.

Can't remember atm how it worked but iirc the distribution of these lines were based on who is squadmate 1 and who is 2. Character specific lines are just additions. For me it was Garrus who was quite an ...

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Yknow, this talk about the First Contact War reminds me: it was a shame Ash and Victus were never on the Normandy at the same time.

Victus fought during the First Contact War, I bet he would have had some interesting things to say about Ash's grandfather.

I actually never liked Ash because of hers and her families anti alien attitude. Interesting character but no one I would like having around too much...

If you romance her you can get her to change her anti-alien attitude a bit.

In one playthrough I took her and Liara to the final fight against Saren, and Liara was all "You should totally let the Council die, you need to protect the human fleet!" and Ash was all "No! You need to save the Council!"

Needless to say I was quite surprised.

Plus, I prefer interesting racist to bland Carth Onasi 2: Electric Boogaloo any day.

Can't remember atm how it worked but iirc the distribution of these lines were based on who is squadmate 1 and who is 2. Character specific lines are just additions. For me it was Garrus who was quite an ...

Yeah, but I think its also based on the specific squadmates you bring as well. I've never once heard Wrex tell me to save the council and had Liara tell me to let them die, and those are the two I usually bring

[BatmanTurian]

NeoDobby wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Just in case any people try to argue that the blurs during the TIM convo aren't indoctrination blurs

http://postimage.org...4m3bvrsxh/full/

I don't believe that a lot of people don't think those aren't indoc' blurs. Most people who don't believe IT is true think that it is TIM who is using his newly-founded powers to partly control Shep and Anderson

Um...minor quibble here maybe, but it's labelled "Reaper indoc", not TIM indoc. I'm fine with the literalist view that TIM is being used to transmit indoc signals (as indoc victims are stated to do) but not that it's TIM himself causing those blurry lines.

May have misunderstood you of course

Of course, TIM is using Reaper tech. It is the Reaper tech, not TIM himself which is causing the indoctrination IMO

So you're okay with TIM's Reaper Tech causing indoctrination, but not ACTUAL Reaper Tech....

Your logic is flawed.

No, this is a strawman of my position. Of course Reaper tech can indoctrinate, I just saw very little evidence for in-game outside the ending of it actually doing so.

Hmm, let me get this straight. You're fine with believing that TIM's Reaper implants can indoctrinate and control someone, with very little evidence for it? But you find IT unlikely despite all the possible evidence we discovered?

Yeah, I tried this. He still won't budge. I'm starting to think he's just stubborn, assuming he has some intelligence.

[MegumiAzusa]

Arian Dynas wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Yknow, this talk about the First Contact War reminds me: it was a shame Ash and Victus were never on the Normandy at the same time.

Victus fought during the First Contact War, I bet he would have had some interesting things to say about Ash's grandfather.

I actually never liked Ash because of hers and her families anti alien attitude. Interesting character but no one I would like having around too much...

She's not so much "anti-alien" as she is "human-first" in fact she hates anti alien groups like Cerberus and the Terra Firma Party. 

She's not comfortable around aliens, she'll be the first to admit that, but neither was Pressley, she was just a bit more verbal about it.

Sure, TIM also said he wasn't anti alien but human first, not easy to distinguish. She ****ed a bit too often against the alien squadmates so I would say she is only human first, by that is my personal impression of her.

[BatmanTurian]

Simon_Says wrote...

You know, while I like all the pretty pictures, would it be possible for you people not to pick the ones that are so bloody titanically enormous?

You just cannot be pleased lol. It's not as if Lexor doesn't do the same thing.

[NeoDobby]

BatmanTurian wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

No, this is a strawman of my position. Of course Reaper tech can indoctrinate, I just saw very little evidence for in-game outside the ending of it actually doing so.

Hmm, let me get this straight. You're fine with believing that TIM's Reaper implants can indoctrinate and control someone, with very little evidence for it? But you find IT unlikely despite all the possible evidence we discovered?

Yeah, I tried this. He still won't budge. I'm starting to think he's just stubborn, assuming he has some intelligence.

Yeah, one day we're in a happy discussion about in-game evidence, the next day we're back to Twitter-quotes. I like the in-game discussions. They actually help us. A good way to strengthen a theory is failing to disprove it. Well, maybe tomorrow.

[BatmanTurian]

NeoDobby wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

No, this is a strawman of my position. Of course Reaper tech can indoctrinate, I just saw very little evidence for in-game outside the ending of it actually doing so.

Hmm, let me get this straight. You're fine with believing that TIM's Reaper implants can indoctrinate and control someone, with very little evidence for it? But you find IT unlikely despite all the possible evidence we discovered?

Yeah, I tried this. He still won't budge. I'm starting to think he's just stubborn, assuming he has some intelligence.

Yeah, one day we're in a happy discussion about in-game evidence, the next day we're back to Twitter-quotes. I like the in-game discussions. They actually help us. A good way to strengthen a theory is failing to disprove it. Well, maybe tomorrow.

I agree. The Twitter quotes are getting old. I think the only time we can start believing Twitter again is when the EC is out.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Yknow, this talk about the First Contact War reminds me: it was a shame Ash and Victus were never on the Normandy at the same time.

Victus fought during the First Contact War, I bet he would have had some interesting things to say about Ash's grandfather.

I actually never liked Ash because of hers and her families anti alien attitude. Interesting character but no one I would like having around too much...

She's not so much "anti-alien" as she is "human-first" in fact she hates anti alien groups like Cerberus and the Terra Firma Party. 

She's not comfortable around aliens, she'll be the first to admit that, but neither was Pressley, she was just a bit more verbal about it.

Sure, TIM also said he wasn't anti alien but human first, not easy to distinguish. She ****ed a bit too often against the alien squadmates so I would say she is only human first, by that is my personal impression of her.

Dont forget that its entirely possible for Ash to sacrifice herself to protect the council members she is protecting, two of which are aliens, and one of which is Udina.

She hates Udina, so I doubt she did it solely to protect him

[MegumiAzusa]

NeoDobby wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

No, this is a strawman of my position. Of course Reaper tech can indoctrinate, I just saw very little evidence for in-game outside the ending of it actually doing so.

Hmm, let me get this straight. You're fine with believing that TIM's Reaper implants can indoctrinate and control someone, with very little evidence for it? But you find IT unlikely despite all the possible evidence we discovered?

Yeah, I tried this. He still won't budge. I'm starting to think he's just stubborn, assuming he has some intelligence.

Yeah, one day we're in a happy discussion about in-game evidence, the next day we're back to Twitter-quotes. I like the in-game discussions. They actually help us. A good way to strengthen a theory is failing to disprove it. Well, maybe tomorrow.

Also funny thing how these people when talking about the trees first say it's just sloppy work, then when presented with the pictures they either ignore them or say "it's surely a leftover because it was rushed"... yeah that's why it got 3 versions alone and it's never mentioned why it would be there in the first place.

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

No, this is a strawman of my position. Of course Reaper tech can indoctrinate, I just saw very little evidence for in-game outside the ending of it actually doing so.

Hmm, let me get this straight. You're fine with believing that TIM's Reaper implants can indoctrinate and control someone, with very little evidence for it? But you find IT unlikely despite all the possible evidence we discovered?

Yeah, I tried this. He still won't budge. I'm starting to think he's just stubborn, assuming he has some intelligence.

Yeah, one day we're in a happy discussion about in-game evidence, the next day we're back to Twitter-quotes. I like the in-game discussions. They actually help us. A good way to strengthen a theory is failing to disprove it. Well, maybe tomorrow.

Also funny thing how these people when talking about the trees first say it's just sloppy work, then when presented with the pictures they either ignore them or say "it's surely a leftover because it was rushed"... yeah that's why it got 3 versions alone and it's never mentioned why it would be there in the first place.

it's funny that they say we are in denial, when we're examining the game meticulously. They practically ignore it in favor of cop-outs like " Bioware is lazy."

[NeoDobby]

Ok, I think I'm gonna go now. Slow day for me. Took me until half an hour ago to get up to date, including the almost flamewar, that I mostly just skimmed. And right now I have nothing to add to the discussions. So good night!

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Yknow, this talk about the First Contact War reminds me: it was a shame Ash and Victus were never on the Normandy at the same time.

Victus fought during the First Contact War, I bet he would have had some interesting things to say about Ash's grandfather.

I actually never liked Ash because of hers and her families anti alien attitude. Interesting character but no one I would like having around too much...

She's not so much "anti-alien" as she is "human-first" in fact she hates anti alien groups like Cerberus and the Terra Firma Party. 

She's not comfortable around aliens, she'll be the first to admit that, but neither was Pressley, she was just a bit more verbal about it.

Sure, TIM also said he wasn't anti alien but human first, not easy to distinguish. She ****ed a bit too often against the alien squadmates so I would say she is only human first, by that is my personal impression of her.

Dont forget that its entirely possible for Ash to sacrifice herself to protect the council members she is protecting, two of which are aliens, and one of which is Udina.

She hates Udina, so I doubt she did it solely to protect him

She's just basically of the opinion that every species in the galaxy is out to look out for their own, they'll help out others if it benefits them, and there are genuinely kind exceptions, but on average, Humanity has to look out for itself, because lord knows, no one is going to for us.

[BatmanTurian]

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Yknow, this talk about the First Contact War reminds me: it was a shame Ash and Victus were never on the Normandy at the same time.

Victus fought during the First Contact War, I bet he would have had some interesting things to say about Ash's grandfather.

I actually never liked Ash because of hers and her families anti alien attitude. Interesting character but no one I would like having around too much...

She's not so much "anti-alien" as she is "human-first" in fact she hates anti alien groups like Cerberus and the Terra Firma Party. 

She's not comfortable around aliens, she'll be the first to admit that, but neither was Pressley, she was just a bit more verbal about it.

Sure, TIM also said he wasn't anti alien but human first, not easy to distinguish. She ****ed a bit too often against the alien squadmates so I would say she is only human first, by that is my personal impression of her.

Dont forget that its entirely possible for Ash to sacrifice herself to protect the council members she is protecting, two of which are aliens, and one of which is Udina.

She hates Udina, so I doubt she did it solely to protect him

She's just basically of the opinion that every species in the galaxy is out to look out for their own, they'll help out others if it benefits them, and there are genuinely kind exceptions, but on average, Humanity has to look out for itself, because lord knows, no one is going to for us.

Wierd question, and political I know, but does this mean Ashley is a Conservative and Kaiden is a Liberal or will those terms even apply in the twenty-second century?

[Simon_Says]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Wierd question, and political I know, but does this mean Ashley is a Conservative and Kaiden is a Liberal or will those terms even apply in the twenty-second century?

Kaiden's paragon and Ashley's renegade.

...

Hell I dunno. The terms will probably change meaning by then.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 05 mai 2012 - 01:06 .

[BatmanTurian]

Simon_Says wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Wierd question, and political I know, but does this mean Ashley is a Conservative and Kaiden is a Liberal or will those terms even apply in the twenty-second century?

Kaiden's paragon and Ashley's renegade.

...

Hell I dunno. The terms will probably change meaning by then.

Yeah it was just a thought. Ashley is religious and has kind of a Tex personality. That's all I was basing the question on.