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[Arian Dynas]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Wierd question, and political I know, but does this mean Ashley is a Conservative and Kaiden is a Liberal or will those terms even apply in the twenty-second century?

Likely not.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 05 mai 2012 - 01:14 .

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Wierd question, and political I know, but does this mean Ashley is a Conservative and Kaiden is a Liberal or will those terms even apply in the twenty-second century?

Kaiden's paragon and Ashley's renegade.

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Hell I dunno. The terms will probably change meaning by then.

Yeah it was just a thought. Ashley is religious and has kind of a Tex personality. That's all I was basing the question on.

Tex as in Agent Texas from RvB?

If so, no one's genitals are safe!

[Domanese]

BatmanTurian wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

No, this is a strawman of my position. Of course Reaper tech can indoctrinate, I just saw very little evidence for in-game outside the ending of it actually doing so.

Hmm, let me get this straight. You're fine with believing that TIM's Reaper implants can indoctrinate and control someone, with very little evidence for it? But you find IT unlikely despite all the possible evidence we discovered?

Yeah, I tried this. He still won't budge. I'm starting to think he's just stubborn, assuming he has some intelligence.

Yeah, one day we're in a happy discussion about in-game evidence, the next day we're back to Twitter-quotes. I like the in-game discussions. They actually help us. A good way to strengthen a theory is failing to disprove it. Well, maybe tomorrow.

I agree. The Twitter quotes are getting old. I think the only time we can start believing Twitter again is when the EC is out.

Thats what I have been saying!!!  

So what did I miss that warrants a jump from 2015 to nearly 35 pages more?

Modifié par Domanese, 05 mai 2012 - 01:16 .

[BatmanTurian]

Domanese wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

No, this is a strawman of my position. Of course Reaper tech can indoctrinate, I just saw very little evidence for in-game outside the ending of it actually doing so.

Hmm, let me get this straight. You're fine with believing that TIM's Reaper implants can indoctrinate and control someone, with very little evidence for it? But you find IT unlikely despite all the possible evidence we discovered?

Yeah, I tried this. He still won't budge. I'm starting to think he's just stubborn, assuming he has some intelligence.

Yeah, one day we're in a happy discussion about in-game evidence, the next day we're back to Twitter-quotes. I like the in-game discussions. They actually help us. A good way to strengthen a theory is failing to disprove it. Well, maybe tomorrow.

I agree. The Twitter quotes are getting old. I think the only time we can start believing Twitter again is when the EC is out.

Thats what I have been saying!!!  

So what did I miss that warrants a jump from 2015 to nearly 35 pages more?

Well, i learned how to post a picture and finally made a sig, even though I said I wouldn't.

Otherwise, we just poured over old data that was pulled from the game a month ago and argued with SubAstris and some guy who thought he could convince us we were wrong by telling us to commit suicide. I reported him.

[Big Bad]

I am at a bar killing time before the Avengers starts...and I am still reading this thread! I think I may have a serious IT addiction!

[BatmanTurian]

And apparently people are still saying IT was disproved like it's gospel or that they desperately don't want it to be true. Funny how it always seems to be people who favor Synthesis or Control.

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...
IT theory was disproved a long time ago why do so many people still act as though the catalyst was trying to trick you or indoctrinate you to get the last laugh?

[MegumiAzusa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

And apparently people are still saying IT was disproved like it's gospel or that they desperately don't want it to be true. Funny how it always seems to be people who favor Synthesis or Control.

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...
IT theory was disproved a long time ago why do so many people still act as though the catalyst was trying to trick you or indoctrinate you to get the last laugh?

They also always say how bad we will feel if the EC will say IT isn't true.
Organics may wish to take note.

[KellanC]

So, after talking with a friend of mine and our discussion of the whole Plot ID on Destroy thing we tossed around some ideas I made notes of and wrote a new EC that could happen based on IT.

No offense to Arian, I think his writing is brilliant, but we were talking and want to have some kind of gameplay and boss battle and threw something together. I've only turned the Destroy notes into a cohesive "script" but if anyone is interested I will copy and paste it here. It is long though, really long, and I didn't even type much dialogue because that is not something my creativity is good at.

Anyone interested at all?

[Big Bad]

@KellanC - I am interested!

[Bm Fahrtz]

Hello everyone! What did i miss? What are you guys babbling on about today? 

Modifié par Bm Fahrtz, 05 mai 2012 - 01:44 .

[MegumiAzusa]

KellanC wrote...

So, after talking with a friend of mine and our discussion of the whole Plot ID on Destroy thing we tossed around some ideas I made notes of and wrote a new EC that could happen based on IT.

No offense to Arian, I think his writing is brilliant, but we were talking and want to have some kind of gameplay and boss battle and threw something together. I've only turned the Destroy notes into a cohesive "script" but if anyone is interested I will copy and paste it here. It is long though, really long, and I didn't even type much dialogue because that is not something my creativity is good at.

Anyone interested at all?

I have to admit I'm not a fan of fanfiction, didn't read Arian's either

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And apparently people are still saying IT was disproved like it's gospel or that they desperately don't want it to be true. Funny how it always seems to be people who favor Synthesis or Control.

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...
IT theory was disproved a long time ago why do so many people still act as though the catalyst was trying to trick you or indoctrinate you to get the last laugh?

They also always say how bad we will feel if the EC will say IT isn't true.
Organics may wish to take note.

I'll actually be fine if IT isn't true especially if Bioware does something better or as good. I'll just chalk it up to a fun mind game. I don't think they have anything else up their sleeve though.

[BatmanTurian]

KellanC wrote...

So, after talking with a friend of mine and our discussion of the whole Plot ID on Destroy thing we tossed around some ideas I made notes of and wrote a new EC that could happen based on IT.

No offense to Arian, I think his writing is brilliant, but we were talking and want to have some kind of gameplay and boss battle and threw something together. I've only turned the Destroy notes into a cohesive "script" but if anyone is interested I will copy and paste it here. It is long though, really long, and I didn't even type much dialogue because that is not something my creativity is good at.

Anyone interested at all?

Well, first of all the PlotID stuff was debunked by EpyonX, so there's that.

But sure, let's see what you got.

[Domanese]

KellanC wrote...

So, after talking with a friend of mine and our discussion of the whole Plot ID on Destroy thing we tossed around some ideas I made notes of and wrote a new EC that could happen based on IT.

No offense to Arian, I think his writing is brilliant, but we were talking and want to have some kind of gameplay and boss battle and threw something together. I've only turned the Destroy notes into a cohesive "script" but if anyone is interested I will copy and paste it here. It is long though, really long, and I didn't even type much dialogue because that is not something my creativity is good at.

Anyone interested at all?

I approve.

[KellanC]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

KellanC wrote...

So, after talking with a friend of mine and our discussion of the whole Plot ID on Destroy thing we tossed around some ideas I made notes of and wrote a new EC that could happen based on IT.

No offense to Arian, I think his writing is brilliant, but we were talking and want to have some kind of gameplay and boss battle and threw something together. I've only turned the Destroy notes into a cohesive "script" but if anyone is interested I will copy and paste it here. It is long though, really long, and I didn't even type much dialogue because that is not something my creativity is good at.

Anyone interested at all?

I have to admit I'm not a fan of fanfiction, didn't read Arian's either

I usually am not either, but I think ME deserves something better than what we got and if IT is true it is nice to speculate at what Bioware might do.

[byne]

I cant believe I havent seen this video before. Made me lol pretty hard.

[MegumiAzusa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And apparently people are still saying IT was disproved like it's gospel or that they desperately don't want it to be true. Funny how it always seems to be people who favor Synthesis or Control.

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...
IT theory was disproved a long time ago why do so many people still act as though the catalyst was trying to trick you or indoctrinate you to get the last laugh?

They also always say how bad we will feel if the EC will say IT isn't true.
Organics may wish to take note.

I'll actually be fine if IT isn't true especially if Bioware does something better or as good. I'll just chalk it up to a fun mind game. I don't think they have anything else up their sleeve though.

That exactly, even if Shep is not indoctrinated I would say it was planned to leave things that point to it to create discussion. It worked either way and that is what I think is really great about the ending.

[KellanC]

I'm going to post these into 2 different posts since the 1st is so long.....

Low EMS, Destroy Chosen
Shepard wakes up in a pile of rubble, sees your two squad mates from the final push dead in the rubble as well. Anderson comes over, "Shepard you're alive!?! I didn't think anyone was alive after Harbinger left." (Maybe throw in a comment that he figured out Coates was indoctrinated and was involved in a fight with him after he tried to kill Anderson while everyone else was running to the beam and he ended up shooting Coates.)

Shepard: "Looks like they didn't make it" (looks at dead squad mates with pained sad look on face)

Anderson: "Harbinger stayed here a little while after decimating Hammer, all of the sudden the beam shut off and he left. The rest of your squad is at the base trying to hold off the reaper attack on it while we evacuate. Shepard, the Normandy has landed just a few clicks from the base, we are trying to get to it and use it to get the Citadel. The Reapers have destroyed a lot of our forces and are starting to focus on the fleet defending the Crucible."

Anderson hands Shepard a gun, "Lets go finish this."

The two fight through a few waves of Reaper squads before getting to the base you were at prior to the final assault. You meet up with whoever is left from your squad, people are happy to see you aren't dead, if your LI is alive and part of the group he/she are give you a hug, you can tell it has helped boost a very low morale.

After all the conversation about the plan and what is going on your remaining squad mates, Anderson, and Shepard start off towards the Normandy. (The next few waves while fighting towards the Normandy will be similar to the DAO final fight, where everyone is taking part in it). After a few waves you all come around a corner and see the Normandy across a few blocks of destroyed buildings and Alliance vehicles. Joker and maybe the engineers will be at the doorway waving for you to hurry. Jeff goes back in to fire everything up for takeoff.

You and your crew start in a dead spring when suddenly you hear a Reaper growl and look up to see Harbinger landing. Everyone steps back, some people get behind over. You hear a shuttle and sound of an Atlas walking to look over to see Cerberus troops and a slow moving shuttle with Cerberus markings. They come to a halt next to Harbinger and the shuttle opens, TIM comes out.

TIM: "Shepard, I applaud you for making it so far, but your fight ends here."
Shepard: "What are you doing here, what are you doing?"
TIM: "When the Reapers found out what I was doing they attacked Sanctuary. Once they discovered how successful I was with my research they made me a deal."

Shepard and TIM have a conversation about how TIM is Indoctrinated, TIM continues to tell Shepard to give up. You can see in the background that the Normandy's engines have fired up and it is about to liftoff. Eventually Harbinger interrupts with one of his signature quotes about how Destruction is the only answer.

Some Reapers come out from around Harbinger and more Cerberus troops come out of the transport. An epic battle starts, all of your crew are fighting with you, Harbinger shoots at you whenever you come out of cover. As you take out troops TIM gets mad and comes out of cover to link up/strengthen his control over them which is when you can shoot him. During this fight you get a message from Joker saying he is about to take off and that he is going to circle around behind Harbinger to hit him with all the Normandy's got. If Cortez is still alive he says he is coming and has a surprise for the Reaper to get the ball rolling, if he isn't it is another Alliance pilot. After a few cycles of shooting TIM when you line up your last shot and pull the trigger it goes into a cinematic.

TIM gets killed, all the Cerberus troops pause because of the loss of his control, this lets all of your team kill them all and what is left of the Reaper forces. Harbinger then starts talking to you and asks why you waste your time and that you should give up. He ridicules your small fleet and that in the end you were not so special. (maybe have a few options come up to ask Harbinger questions or reply to his statements, he will however not reveal too much about the Reapers). You hear Cortez/the pilot on the radio that he is coming in hot, you look up to see a shuttle with a couple Thanix missiles bolted on, or maybe in the troop area, he comes right at Harbinger. Harbinger shifts just enough to take him out, some of the debris takes out a couple more crew members. If Cortez was your LI Shepard drops to his knees. The Normandy comes into view, Joker starts to make a comment that he will take that SOB out when more Reapers arrive and one destroys the Normandy. Shepard and the remaining crew look in shock and disbelief, Harbinger says it is timed to be saved as he takes off.

From his viewpoint you see reaper forces swarm whoever is left. It shows Shepard being grabbed, if your LI is still alive and in the group they reach for Shepard, screaming as they are dragged off. It shows the battle being made in other areas, if you saved Grissom academy you see Jack and the students making barriers for Alliance soldiers, one of the students gets hit, the barrier weakens and it catches Jack off guard and she turns to help, the barrier collapses. Jack gets killed, the soldiers start to drop and you see them surrounded and wiped out. If you saved the Rachni and cured the Krogen you see them fighting together. Grunt gets blindsided by a Brute, Wrex goes to help, kills the Brute. They turn just in time to see the Rachni queen surrounded and killed by Ravagers. They charge in to help but then a large force of Brutes and Ravagers comes out of nowhere and the force is all killed. You see the similar scenes for all groups you helped, and you see other previous squad members all getting killed. The screen fades out as the Crucible and the rest of the fleet is destroyed.

The screen fades in and you see a human reaper being finished, its outer shell is put on, it takes off and you see it fly next to Harbinger in the Reaper fleet. You also see another race, maybe the Turians, being turned into the new collectors. The Reapers fly off to go back out in to dark space and the screen fades again.

The screen shows "Somewhere in the distant future" and you see a new race discovering the Citadel, it shows another race finding Reaper tech in their system. You realize that it is about 40,000 to 45,000 years in the future and the next cycle has almost reached its end.

Edited for spacing.

Modifié par KellanC, 05 mai 2012 - 01:52 .

[KellanC]

Mid EMS, Destroy

Starts out the same but your crew members are alive. You talk to Anderson and proceed to the base, meet up with everyone and get going.

Harbinger and TIM show up again and you have your conversation with him. Normandy starts to fire up, battle begins. You hear from Cortez or the Alliance Pilot in the middle of the fight and see the Normandy take off.
After TIM gets killed while you are talking to Harbinger, who this time makes a comment that you have a good fleet but didn't perform as he expected, you notice another vehicle loaded with a couple Thanix missiles. The shuttle comes in, when Harbinger turns to shoot at it Shepard makes a dash for the vehicle. Harbinger shoots at the shuttle but just barely hits the side of the shuttle, it spirals out of control but lands off in the distance. He turns towards the vehicle while calling Shepards name. Shepard pulls out a dead alliance soldiers body and hops in the seat, he flips a switch to "Dumb fire" and a screen comes on. We see Harbinger turning back to the vehicle, Shepard lines up the reticule right between Harbingers eyes and hits the launch button right as Harbingers beam charges. You see the shot hit the vehicle blowing it up but the 2 missiles get away and hit Harbinger causing him to shake/stammer. The Normandy comes in behind Harbinger and blasts him, the explosion rocks him(maybe even goes straight through him) and he tumbles over. His eyes go dark and everyone else is in shock and looks over at the burning vehicle Shepard was in. Anderson gets everyone together and says we still have work to do. Everyone boards the Normandy and they take off for the Citadel.

You see the space battle going on, your forces are holding the reapers at bay and have escorted the Crucible towards the Citadel. Joker docks the Normandy with the and everyone goes in and makes a run to the control room. You see the dead bodies of C-Sec, civilians, and Reapers as they make their way, eventually getting outside the control room where a dead Bailey is seen. Anderson opens the door and everyone goes in guns hot. They clear the room and open up the Citadel, the Crucible docks. You see it light up and then it shakes like it has fired but you don't see anything. You see the scenes of people fighting on Earth based on what you've done, this time only a few of your old squad members die. Suddenly the Reapers start to stop moving, you see what looks like little electric storms flashing all over them. The same happens to the ones in space battle before they stop moving. The fleets make sure to destroy every last one of them as the screen fades.

You see your remaining squad in the future, rebuilding. Garrus on Palaven as the new Primarch, Jack teaching at Grissom, Tali with a home on Rannoch, Miranda with her sister, Ash/Kaiden as spectres, Vega in N7, Anderson as humanities representative in the Council, etc. In each of the different scenes on their planets you see monuments/statues/memorials to Shepard. Eventually it comes to scene with all of them at a statue at the Alliance HQ that has a plaque as a memorial to Shepard, your LI leaves flowers on it.

High EMS, Destroy
Starts out the same, middle part is the same. You fight TIM, have your conversation with Harbinger, this time he mentions you have gathered an impressive force and without joining him you are wasting your potential. The shuttle evades the shot and crashes again, this time Shepard gets the missiles off before Harbinger can turn around. He goes down and as his lights dim he starts to talking but only gets out "Shepard..." before he dies. Everyone boards the Normandy and gets to the Citadel. This time you find less bodies, civilians and C-sec are fighting off forces, Bailey is alive at the door to the control room and tells you there are only a few left inside. You charge in and kill them, open the Citadel so the Crucible can fire. You see the same thing but this time no one dies on Earth and the Reapers are defeated.

There are still statues celebrating Shepard at places, you see the same videos of people doing things they talked about, etc. You see Shepard with his/her LI. Ash/Kaiden and Shepard have settled down on Earth, Liara and Shepard have settled down and have children on Thessia, Garrus and Shepard on Palaven, Tali and Shepard on Rannoch standing out on the her land, watching a sunset, he has his arm around her and you see she has her helmet off and her dark hair is waving in the wind (but we still don't see her face). You see Joker and Jeff still have their thing going on and now someone else is captain of the Normandy. maybe Ash or Kaiden if they aren't your LI, or maybe even Vega.

[Arian Dynas]

KellanC wrote...

So, after talking with a friend of mine and our discussion of the whole Plot ID on Destroy thing we tossed around some ideas I made notes of and wrote a new EC that could happen based on IT.

No offense to Arian, I think his writing is brilliant, but we were talking and want to have some kind of gameplay and boss battle and threw something together. I've only turned the Destroy notes into a cohesive "script" but if anyone is interested I will copy and paste it here. It is long though, really long, and I didn't even type much dialogue because that is not something my creativity is good at.

Anyone interested at all?

Thank you for the compliment, feel free to post, though you may get some literary constructive criticism. 

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

I cant believe I havent seen this video before. Made me lol pretty hard.

oh wow, lol.

[KellanC]

Arian Dynas wrote...

KellanC wrote...

So, after talking with a friend of mine and our discussion of the whole Plot ID on Destroy thing we tossed around some ideas I made notes of and wrote a new EC that could happen based on IT.

No offense to Arian, I think his writing is brilliant, but we were talking and want to have some kind of gameplay and boss battle and threw something together. I've only turned the Destroy notes into a cohesive "script" but if anyone is interested I will copy and paste it here. It is long though, really long, and I didn't even type much dialogue because that is not something my creativity is good at.

Anyone interested at all?

Thank you for the compliment, feel free to post, though you may get some literary constructive criticism. 

Criticism is fine, it is all fun and games..

[Simon_Says]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And apparently people are still saying IT was disproved like it's gospel or that they desperately don't want it to be true. Funny how it always seems to be people who favor Synthesis or Control.

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...
IT theory was disproved a long time ago why do so many people still act as though the catalyst was trying to trick you or indoctrinate you to get the last laugh?

They also always say how bad we will feel if the EC will say IT isn't true.
Organics may wish to take note.

I don't understand people like that.

They form an opinion without bothering to think or examine it, but proclaim it is fact and basically insult explicitly or implicitly everyone who disagrees with that opinion.

I can respect the people who hear about IT and just don't buy it. I can respect people who come here and argue against IT based on reasonable grounds (even if it does boil down to the assumption that Bioware messed up). What I can't respect are people who take the time to tell everyone that IT "has been disproved" or "has a mountain of evidence against it" and yet doesn't take the time to back up that claim.

Surely if that's the case then there's no need to say anything further?

Bah, humbug.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 05 mai 2012 - 02:07 .

[BatmanTurian]

RedDeadRemix wrote...

byne wrote...

I cant believe I havent seen this video before. Made me lol pretty hard.

Seen this one yet? It's a doozy

"Jacob bravely rushed the Conduit on Earth, and was immediately stepped on by Harbinger.

Nobody noticed."

OMG that's hysterical. I've never laughed so hard.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 05 mai 2012 - 02:10 .

[Arian Dynas]

KellanC wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

KellanC wrote...

So, after talking with a friend of mine and our discussion of the whole Plot ID on Destroy thing we tossed around some ideas I made notes of and wrote a new EC that could happen based on IT.

No offense to Arian, I think his writing is brilliant, but we were talking and want to have some kind of gameplay and boss battle and threw something together. I've only turned the Destroy notes into a cohesive "script" but if anyone is interested I will copy and paste it here. It is long though, really long, and I didn't even type much dialogue because that is not something my creativity is good at.

Anyone interested at all?

Thank you for the compliment, feel free to post, though you may get some literary constructive criticism. 

Criticism is fine, it is all fun and games..

Well then, take all of what I am about to say with a grain of salt, and this is not said with any maliciousness or anything of that sort, just a few things I think your script would be improved by with a bit of consideration.

Hmm, well for one it reads like a summary, which is what I assume you were going for, unless you are trying for a script? In which case I would advise you work on your formatting as well.

With TIM, you never specified what the deal he made was.

Also, looking at TIM, he would not side with the Reapers, he is humanity first before his own self interest for the most part, if he can survive but humanity is ravaged, he'll still look for another option. TIM is more extremely dark anti-hero than he is villain.

Also, I do agree with the Bioware team on this count, but actually, physically fighting TIM kinda... well cheapens him, his principle weapon is his intellect, not physical strength, a fight against him would be a battle of wits, long before he ever went to fisticuffs.

As for Coates, agree that he is likely a tratior, but having things like that happen off camera is not usually a good idea, writing wise.

Also, for the "having a new race find the Citadel" thing, it's a bit too... promissory, people will assume that is canon, one way or another, and usually will insist on some kind of payoff if it were shown (look at how people are with the Raloi and Virtual Aliens).

Shepard sacrificing himself with the shuttle and the Thanix missles does make for a good scene, and is a suitable way to kill Harbinger, but for the Commander to be killed by the backfire feels a bit... anticlimactic. It just doesn't suit him very well IMO.

I will agree, a montage is a good idea and a solid way to close out the series, hence why I chose to include one myself. Nice touch.

Anywho, on the whole, your script does seem solid, and has reminded me that I think It is time to add in the Coates theory to mine.

To be honest, the reason I wrote the script that I did was originally to prove a point, but since people enjoyed it so much, I decided to keep it up, giving new re-writes every so often, partially because it was fun for me, and partially as a sort of way to help people pass the time here. So, even if I did accidentally cause you some offense, don't get discouraged.

So, for anyone who is reading this, whom ISN'T interested in my literary criticsm, then just know, sometime soon, I'll be re-writing and expanding my own script, as well as, if you guys are good, working on a idea I had for a DLC, in script form. Just for reading material, y'know?

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 05 mai 2012 - 02:21 .