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[N3vDawg]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Can someone please PM me explaining this theory. I'm extremly late in this thread and all I see is arguing. PLEASE! I want to feel good about them, and Ive felt like crap for 4 days now.

Haven't you read the the first post? If so, just follow along and you'll pick up on things.

[BadlyBrowned]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Can someone please PM me explaining this theory. I'm extremly late in this thread and all I see is arguing. PLEASE! I want to feel good about them, and Ive felt like crap for 4 days now.

Read the OP.

Or, watch the basics in convient youtube format: 
 

[AndyB]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Can someone please PM me explaining this theory. I'm extremly late in this thread and all I see is arguing. PLEASE! I want to feel good about them, and Ive felt like crap for 4 days now.

Same here!

What's the theory? And what's been happening on Twitter?

[lookingglassmind]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Can someone please PM me explaining this theory. I'm extremly late in this thread and all I see is arguing. PLEASE! I want to feel good about them, and Ive felt like crap for 4 days now.

Check the link in my sig, or check out page 1 of this thread.

[ceruleancrescent]

 Okay so I just noticed something, and I don't know if it's been pointed out yet, so if it has, I'm sorry I don't remember reading it on this thread.

Anyways, during the god child scene this is what we see



and this is what we seen when the Crucible is being connected to the Citadel



the red circle is the connecting point of the Crucible, as the connected end is a spherical shape, not flat, as seen in the second picture with the red circle. The green circle is the Citadel connecting point to the Crucible (ignore the yellow circle in the second picture).

Seeing that, we can see that the part that  Shepard is standing on is definately part of the Citadel...so why is there the human numbers and letters such as 1M1 on structures in the citadel, a site we've never seen before?



Also looking at the structures that are used for Control (blue) and Destroy (red) are already on the Citadel



They appear not to be directly connected to the Crucible, as it looks like the Crucible and the Citadel are connected only by the blue stream of light (purple circle). The options to control or destroy were implimented on the citadel, and not made through the Crucible.

So the reapers, that created the citadel so many years ago, foresaw that over the many cycles, organics would be able to design and eventually create a weapon that would be capable of destroying them? Why would they create that possibility? Also, since the god child said that Shepard was "the first organic" there, it doesn't seem as if one of the species in the many cycles created it themselves, especially since the keepers would probably change it.

Just a thought. 

EDIT: It just seems more dream/hallucination like to me, as if Shepard's mind is trying to make sense of things and not very well. Or it is an extreme oversight...IDK 

Modifié par ceruleancrescent, 12 mars 2012 - 10:22 .

[Tajah Silver-Sparke]

I want to believe.

The indoctrination theory is perfect and I think the players may have bested BioWare. I mean, the writers create a terrible ending to Mass Effect 3 that gets a huge backlash. They are scrambling at EA trying to save the stock from falling and are on the phone with Bioware screaming to do something to placate the players. Bioware sees this theory about indoctrination and scoops it up. I mean, it is brilliant. The players solve Bioware's problem ending and hopefully stop EA's stock drop at the same time.

Yes, I am jaded and cynical but if it gets me my better ending, then I will take it. You all (the players in this thread) do good work.

[N3vDawg]

Vyrii wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

byne wrote...

vertibird1 wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Guys, please hear the very last part of this video:



The VI was giving away Prothean's intel on the Catalyst DIRECTLY TO SHEPARD, then simply said "Indoctrinated presence detected, activating security protocol"

I don't want to raise senseless hope, but it's pretty much telling, imo.

He is referring to Kai Leng

While I agree that its 99% likely he was referring to Kai Leng, Leng was there the whole time, since he's the one who killed the scientists. Its not like Kai Leng just made it to the temple at that moment.

Didn't the VI not note any reaper presence of Kai Leng after they used it? I'm assuming that function was removed by cerberus.

The VI states that the "Security protocols were removed by Cerberus"
If Shepard is indoctrinated at that point, the VI wouldn't be able to tell them.

This is exactly what I suspected. This might be proof that the VI was referring to shepard as the "indoctrinated" then. {smilie}

[N3vDawg]

Tajah Silver-Sparke wrote...

I want to believe.

The indoctrination theory is perfect and I think the players may have bested BioWare. I mean, the writers create a terrible ending to Mass Effect 3 that gets a huge backlash. They are scrambling at EA trying to save the stock from falling and are on the phone with Bioware screaming to do something to placate the players. Bioware sees this theory about indoctrination and scoops it up. I mean, it is brilliant. The players solve Bioware's problem ending and hopefully stop EA's stock drop at the same time.

Yes, I am jaded and cynical but if it gets me my better ending, then I will take it. You all (the players in this thread) do good work.

The only way we'll know if this is planned or not if there is something thats already on the disc that will be unlocked.

[G0thicRhino]

FugitiveMind wrote...

G0thicRhino wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...



Been drinking the kool aid since the beginning as well,

unfortunately if/when this does get announced, my reaction isn't going to be:

Good, this fixes things!

It's going to be:

Why am I waiting for this? Why the hell wasn't this on the original disc?

Agreed. 

After my joy dies down, I cant help but ask: "What. The . ****!? Who thought this would be a good idea!?"

Again, hallucination does not and SHOULD not excuse bad writing and storytelling.

I thought the same thing, but...

Maybe they want this storm of emotions to show how emotionally invested in the games people are? PR stunt? Possibly to let all the fans of the series have an equal chance at enjoying the ending? 
i.e. No spoilers for the ending anywhere. Release the ending everywhere at the same time.

I dunno, but I don't think they would ever end things as they are.

Show the effect of emotional investment?

I quote the ghostbusters:
Dr. Peter Venkman: I'm studying the effects of negative reinforcement on ESP ability.
Male Student: The effect? I'll tell you what the effect is, it's pissing me off!

Precisely. :]
This is what Bioware has always been about, making a compelling game that breaks standards. It's a huge gamble, yeah, but they're making a point. And it's working.

[krystalevenstar]

ceruleancrescent wrote...

 Okay so I just noticed something, and I don't know if it's been pointed out yet, so if it has, I'm sorry I don't remember reading it on this thread.

Anyways, during the god child scene this is what we see



and this is what we seen when the Crucible is being connected to the Citadel



the red circle is the connecting point of the Crucible, as the connected end is a spherical shape, not flat, as seen in the second picture with the red circle. The green circle is the Citadel connecting point to the Crucible (ignore the yellow circle in the second picture).

Seeing that, we can see that the part that  Shepard is standing on is definately part of the Citadel...so why is there the human numbers and letters such as 1M1 on structures in the citadel, a site we've never seen before?



Also looking at the structures that are used for Control (blue) and Destroy (red) are already on the Citadel



They appear not to be directly connected to the Crucible, as it looks like the Crucible and the Citadel are connected only by the blue stream of light (purple circle). The options to control or destroy were implimented on the citadel, and not made through the Crucible.

So the reapers, that created the citadel so many years ago, foresaw that over the many cycles, organics would be able to design and eventually create a weapon that would be capable of destroying them? Why would they create that possibility? Also, since the god child said that Shepard was "the first organic" there, it doesn't seem as if one of the species in the many cycles created it themselves, especially since the keepers would probably change it.

Just a thought. 

I addressed this several dozens of pages back, but your images make it much easier to convey the point. Nice job

[Mabari Owns High Dragon The 2nd]

I actually came to the same exact conclusion as stated in the: "In defense of the Hallucination/Indoctrination theory: the BioWare/Player Indoctrination Theory" before even reading any of this. Its the only logical outcome since what actually happened on the crucible is impossible and extremely surreal at best.

Also, I think its worth to add that the Crucible means a test, seeing if humanity was really the one to bring everlasting peace to the galaxy by uniting them against the Reapers thanks to the Catalyst (Which conveniently means: "The cause of an effect to happen"). Shepherd was the savior of the galaxy and to make sure he was worthy this was the final test.

[BlackDragonBane]

ceruleancrescent wrote...

 Okay so I just noticed something, and I don't know if it's been pointed out yet, so if it has, I'm sorry I don't remember reading it on this thread.

Anyways, during the god child scene this is what we see



and this is what we seen when the Crucible is being connected to the Citadel



the red circle is the connecting point of the Crucible, as the connected end is a spherical shape, not flat, as seen in the second picture with the red circle. The green circle is the Citadel connecting point to the Crucible (ignore the yellow circle in the second picture).

Seeing that, we can see that the part that  Shepard is standing on is definately part of the Citadel...so why is there the human numbers and letters such as 1M1 on structures in the citadel, a site we've never seen before?



Also looking at the structures that are used for Control (blue) and Destroy (red) are already on the Citadel



They appear not to be directly connected to the Crucible, as it looks like the Crucible and the Citadel are connected only by the blue stream of light (purple circle). The options to control or destroy were implimented on the citadel, and not made through the Crucible.

So the reapers, that created the citadel so many years ago, foresaw that over the many cycles, organics would be able to design and eventually create a weapon that would be capable of destroying them? Why would they create that possibility? Also, since the god child said that Shepard was "the first organic" there, it doesn't seem as if one of the species in the many cycles created it themselves, especially since the keepers would probably change it.

Just a thought. 

^^ This is why I believe the Reapers, Citadel, and Mass Relays were created by the first species to create synthetic life, which then bit them in the ass so they created the Reapers and the Catalyst VI to ensure no one else made the mistakes they did.

When the Reapers stopped working and wiped them out, they designed the Crucible and left it for future species to construct in the hopes someone would succeed and get rid of the Reapers permanently.

It's a reach but I find it to be a good one, imho.

Modifié par BlackDragonBane, 12 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[Blinks]

 I love this thread.

Even if it is 100% wrong, I think it is what I will choose to believe. It makes sense, and makes me feel better.

[holyshock18]

Going to bed now. When i wake up i will have 70 more pages to read or so Lets hope for some clarification. Else cya tommorow

Keep the hopes up

[balance5050]

Vyrii wrote...

tuzem2 wrote...

Look at that:
https://twitter.com/...286746629029889

Looks like they're refering more to future Mass Effect games, which there will be, not some DLC or patch to give us the real ending.

How would you figure that from "things on the horizon"?

[kyrieee]

Kyzee wrote...

I haven't read everything here, so forgive me if this is a repeated question, but how would seeing the Normandy crash on the unknown planet plus the Grandfather and Grandchild post-credits sequence fit in with this theory?

On the other hand: if this theory is true, I will actually forgive BioWare for devastating me as they did and respect them immensely. It would be an ingenious move.

That is part of Shepard's imagination.
He/she is imagining them surviving.

[MJF JD]

Tajah Silver-Sparke wrote...

I want to believe.

The indoctrination theory is perfect and I think the players may have bested BioWare. I mean, the writers create a terrible ending to Mass Effect 3 that gets a huge backlash. They are scrambling at EA trying to save the stock from falling and are on the phone with Bioware screaming to do something to placate the players. Bioware sees this theory about indoctrination and scoops it up. I mean, it is brilliant. The players solve Bioware's problem ending and hopefully stop EA's stock drop at the same time.

Yes, I am jaded and cynical but if it gets me my better ending, then I will take it. You all (the players in this thread) do good work.

i agree that alot of credit should go to some people here for discovering this theory but if it is indeed true it was planned by bioware all along. The players didnt make all the clues that have made alot of us believe this more than all of the other silly theories on this forum that have been dismissed.  

[mentosman8]

Been a while since I was able to check in on this thread, looks like more evidence has popped up and the tweets connected to it seem to imply we may just be right ^.^ Looking forward to what happens after the 15th when it's out everywhere, and in the meantime? Guess it might be time for another runthrough XD

[AndyB]

Wow, all I can say is wow.

If this isn't something the community have stumbled upon that happens to be the truth then it should be. Bioware should be contacting the OP to use this theory as it makes perfect sense.

[Obidex]

Loving this thread, kinda disappointed in the war of gaming sites out there. Some pro, some think we are spoiled for being upset i.e Kotaku. Keep up the good work everyone.

[ceruleancrescent]

krystalevenstar wrote...

I addressed this several dozens of pages back, but your images make it much easier to convey the point. Nice job

Okay, no problem!  
I thought someone might have pointed it out, but I read some people going back and forth saying " 1M1 is on the citadel" and "no it's on the crucible", so I went looking to see where they really were and came to some realizations myself. 

[FRancium]

All I thought at the time was "Where's my blood dragon armor?" "That's it? This kid talked less than Legion did in the consensus!" "I can't believe I never got to talk to Harbinger again"

Whatever happens from here on, this is the ending I will brainwash myself into believing.

Great job guys.

[N3vDawg]

Got this message from another user named timiriel:

hi
i can't post this on the forums,
i don't know why...
anyway...

i sent this to a user from this thread
it might be helpfull

1M1 - i think that's a more inconspicuous way of writing this 1*(M^(-1))


the formula is used in optics, it actually stands for inverse of focal length, or dioptry,
or convergence...

In Logic, convergence is also the notion that a sequence of transformations come to the same conclusion, no matter what order they are performed in...

maybe it's too far fetched, i don't know
sadly, it fits to well with the "multiple" endings

[k8ee]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Can someone please PM me explaining this theory. I'm extremly late in this thread and all I see is arguing. PLEASE! I want to feel good about them, and Ive felt like crap for 4 days now.

Please look at the OP

[The_ilest]

so captain anderson and the illusive man are still alive. seems really stupid.