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[Arashi08]

So, who is tired of the whole "Bioware is lazy" point being thrown out constantly? (I'll just assume everyone here except for anti-ITers and trolls are raising their hands) I think I may have found a way to end this once and for all.

Here we go! *crosses fingers*




Excuse me, Mr. Allan Schumacher sir; Is BioWare "lazy" or "Incompetent" like SOME ppl say? I am under the opinion they are in fact NOT such things, but I wanted to hear from an employee of BioWare personally. Please?

Modifié par Arashi08, 05 mai 2012 - 02:20 .

[Arian Dynas]

Arashi08 wrote...

So, who is tired of the whole "Bioware is lazy" point being thrown out constantly? (I'll just assume everyone here except for anti-ITers and trolls are raising their hands) I think I may have found a way to end this once and for all.

Here we go! *crosses fingers*




Excuse me, Mr. Allan Schumacher sir; Is BioWare "lazy" or "Incompetent" like SOME ppl say? I am under the opinion they are in fact NOT such things, but I wanted to hear from an employee of BioWare personally. Please?

You do realize he is going to say no either way right? Lol, It is a VERY bad idea to criticize your own company on their own site. That and self interest, he won't make himself look bad, no one in his position would.

So no, this won't convince anyone who beleives Bioware IS, but the fact is, Allan, love you and your team's work on Dragon Age and everything else, and for the record, I belive Bioware is not only GOOD at what they do, they're the best.

[BatmanTurian]

Arashi08 wrote...

So, who is tired of the whole "Bioware is lazy" point being thrown out constantly? (I'll just assume everyone here except for anti-ITers and trolls are raising their hands) I think I may have found a way to end this once and for all.

Here we go! *crosses fingers*




Excuse me, Mr. Allan Schumacher sir; Is BioWare "lazy" or "Incompetent" like SOME ppl say? I am under the opinion they are in fact NOT such things, but I wanted to hear from an employee of BioWare personally. Please?

Anti-IT: " Don't you know that he'll tell you they aren't lazy so you'll think they aren't lazy? Don't believe him. They are. Mass Effect 3 proves it. Nevermind that they worked on it for months. That doesn't matter!"

[KellanC]

Arian Dynas wrote...

KellanC wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

KellanC wrote...

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Well then, take all of what I am about to say with a grain of salt, and this is not said with any maliciousness or anything of that sort, just a few things I think your script would be improved by with a bit of consideration.

Hmm, well for one it reads like a summary, which is what I assume you were going for, unless you are trying for a script? In which case I would advise you work on your formatting as well.

With TIM, you never specified what the deal he made was.

Also, looking at TIM, he would not side with the Reapers, he is humanity first before his own self interest for the most part, if he can survive but humanity is ravaged, he'll still look for another option. TIM is more extremely dark anti-hero than he is villain.

Also, I do agree with the Bioware team on this count, but actually, physically fighting TIM kinda... well cheapens him, his principle weapon is his intellect, not physical strength, a fight against him would be a battle of wits, long before he ever went to fisticuffs.

As for Coates, agree that he is likely a tratior, but having things like that happen off camera is not usually a good idea, writing wise.

Also, for the "having a new race find the Citadel" thing, it's a bit too... promissory, people will assume that is canon, one way or another, and usually will insist on some kind of payoff if it were shown (look at how people are with the Raloi and Virtual Aliens).

Shepard sacrificing himself with the shuttle and the Thanix missles does make for a good scene, and is a suitable way to kill Harbinger, but for the Commander to be killed by the backfire feels a bit... anticlimactic. It just doesn't suit him very well IMO.

I will agree, a montage is a good idea and a solid way to close out the series, hence why I chose to include one myself. Nice touch.

It was more of a summary, hence why I put quotes around script before.  I'm not one to write dialogue, not creative enough for all of it. 

I toyed with the idea of having TIM just being under direct control the whole time and not really even having a conversation with him but I feel that it was/is important for him to make an apperance after Shepard wakes up, the Prothean VI said he went to the Citadel to tell the Reapers it was the Catalyst so I don't think he could just vanish for the end of the game and not have closure on his character.

I realize it is a promissory scene and even without it is implied a that the cycle will continue but still wanted to throw it in there.

I feel that at mid level EMS Shepard should still bite the bullet and getting the shot off on Harbinger while he does the same felt like the right way to do it.

[Arian Dynas]

KellanC wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

KellanC wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

KellanC wrote...

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Well then, take all of what I am about to say with a grain of salt, and this is not said with any maliciousness or anything of that sort, just a few things I think your script would be improved by with a bit of consideration.

Hmm, well for one it reads like a summary, which is what I assume you were going for, unless you are trying for a script? In which case I would advise you work on your formatting as well.

With TIM, you never specified what the deal he made was.

Also, looking at TIM, he would not side with the Reapers, he is humanity first before his own self interest for the most part, if he can survive but humanity is ravaged, he'll still look for another option. TIM is more extremely dark anti-hero than he is villain.

Also, I do agree with the Bioware team on this count, but actually, physically fighting TIM kinda... well cheapens him, his principle weapon is his intellect, not physical strength, a fight against him would be a battle of wits, long before he ever went to fisticuffs.

As for Coates, agree that he is likely a tratior, but having things like that happen off camera is not usually a good idea, writing wise.

Also, for the "having a new race find the Citadel" thing, it's a bit too... promissory, people will assume that is canon, one way or another, and usually will insist on some kind of payoff if it were shown (look at how people are with the Raloi and Virtual Aliens).

Shepard sacrificing himself with the shuttle and the Thanix missles does make for a good scene, and is a suitable way to kill Harbinger, but for the Commander to be killed by the backfire feels a bit... anticlimactic. It just doesn't suit him very well IMO.

I will agree, a montage is a good idea and a solid way to close out the series, hence why I chose to include one myself. Nice touch.

It was more of a summary, hence why I put quotes around script before.  I'm not one to write dialogue, not creative enough for all of it. 

I toyed with the idea of having TIM just being under direct control the whole time and not really even having a conversation with him but I feel that it was/is important for him to make an apperance after Shepard wakes up, the Prothean VI said he went to the Citadel to tell the Reapers it was the Catalyst so I don't think he could just vanish for the end of the game and not have closure on his character.

I realize it is a promissory scene and even without it is implied a that the cycle will continue but still wanted to throw it in there.

I feel that at mid level EMS Shepard should still bite the bullet and getting the shot off on Harbinger while he does the same felt like the right way to do it.

Oh I don't disagree, mid level, Shepard probably will, and perhaps should, die.

As for TIM, I fully expect him to be explored in sequels, he has pretty much shaped Humanity thus far, why stop with that now?

[Arashi08]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

So, who is tired of the whole "Bioware is lazy" point being thrown out constantly? (I'll just assume everyone here except for anti-ITers and trolls are raising their hands) I think I may have found a way to end this once and for all.

Here we go! *crosses fingers*




Excuse me, Mr. Allan Schumacher sir; Is BioWare "lazy" or "Incompetent" like SOME ppl say? I am under the opinion they are in fact NOT such things, but I wanted to hear from an employee of BioWare personally. Please?

You do realize he is going to say no either way right? Lol, It is a VERY bad idea to criticize your own company on their own site. That and self interest, he won't make himself look bad, no one in his position would.

So no, this won't convince anyone who beleives Bioware IS, but the fact is, Allan, love you and your team's work on Dragon Age and everything else, and for the record, I belive Bioware is not only GOOD at what they do, they're the best.

Yes i am aware.  I just hoped it would quiet the trolls up for awhile.  In hindsight it seems like it will likely stir them up now...

yeah...sorry about that.

Still Mr Shumacher, can I at least ask if we can play a race other than human in DA3?  hopefully this wasn't confirmed somewhere else already and I just was too La...er..."Busy" to look for it.

Modifié par Arashi08, 05 mai 2012 - 02:35 .

[Legion109]

I think Bioware was a bit lazy in ME3 but mostly just stupid.

Example of stupidity - "Hey guys you know how the fans all want to see what a Quarian looks like, well let's work on a pointless human character and get Jessica Chobit to voice them"

"What about the Quarians"

"Just pull some generic photo from google and photoshop it, if we don't put Jessica Chobit in the game with a completely designed human character then ME3 will be a failure"

As Joker would say -- That's just my opinion though no need to go spreading that around.

[Arian Dynas]

Arashi08 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

So, who is tired of the whole "Bioware is lazy" point being thrown out constantly? (I'll just assume everyone here except for anti-ITers and trolls are raising their hands) I think I may have found a way to end this once and for all.

Here we go! *crosses fingers*




Excuse me, Mr. Allan Schumacher sir; Is BioWare "lazy" or "Incompetent" like SOME ppl say? I am under the opinion they are in fact NOT such things, but I wanted to hear from an employee of BioWare personally. Please?

You do realize he is going to say no either way right? Lol, It is a VERY bad idea to criticize your own company on their own site. That and self interest, he won't make himself look bad, no one in his position would.

So no, this won't convince anyone who beleives Bioware IS, but the fact is, Allan, love you and your team's work on Dragon Age and everything else, and for the record, I belive Bioware is not only GOOD at what they do, they're the best.

Yes i am aware.  I just hoped it would quiet the trolls up for awhile.  In hindsight it seems like it will likely stir them up now...

yeah...sorry about that.

Still Mr Shumacher, can I at least ask if we can play a race other than human in DA3?  hopefully this wasn't confirmed somewhere else already and I just was too La...er..."Busy" to look for it.

Ha! Busy. Indeed.

But, no worries man, we all want confirmation on some things. I doubt he'll leak anything about DA3, in case they can't live up to the promise about it, but eh, I could be proven wrong. (I'd love to be, personally what I DO expect/hope to see is something, not QUITE Origins, but more "Ok, you have these characters, each corresponding to an origin, you can personalize them like Hawke, you pick which Origin you want, and which gender for which Origins you want, and we give you this pre voiced character matching that Origin."  That would be cool to see, the benefits of a pre voiced character crossed with the personalization of Origins. T'would be hella expensive and require alot of voice actors, and potentially you could make it so every character factors into the Canon somehow, or might not.

[byne]

Legion109 wrote...

I think Bioware was a bit lazy in ME3 but mostly just stupid.

Example of stupidity - "Hey guys you know how the fans all want to see what a Quarian looks like, well let's work on a pointless human character and get Jessica Chobit to voice them"

"What about the Quarians"

"Just pull some generic photo from google and photoshop it, if we don't put Jessica Chobit in the game with a completely designed human character then ME3 will be a failure"

As Joker would say -- That's just my opinion though no need to go spreading that around.

I still want DLC where it turns out Emily Wong is actually alive, and I can recruit her instead of Chobot.

I'd totally romance Ms Wong.

Hell, I'd settle for Khalisah over Allers any day.

Modifié par byne, 05 mai 2012 - 02:44 .

[KellanC]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Oh I don't disagree, mid level, Shepard probably will, and perhaps should, die.

As for TIM, I fully expect him to be explored in sequels, he has pretty much shaped Humanity thus far, why stop with that now?

The problem I see with him being the focus for sequels is that a low leve EMS, Reapers win, save file would be useless. I think that would be a bad move for Bioware to say, "Oh that Shepard couldn't have existed because this world the Reapers were defeated, or pushed back enough for the fight to continue and have this story happen".  I don't think a sequel could happen, I  think he'd be better explored in a prequel, if that is what you mean then I apologize.

Anywho, I'm off to see the Avengers so I will let the rest of you discuss IT.

[BleedingUranium]

MintyCool wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

paxxton wrote...

This is the year of Mass Effect Retake.

More like the slow death of a failed movement...

Summer DLC will be the final blow, and what a glorious sight it will be when that day comes.....

Checkmate.

I can actually visualize you sitting there saying "Make it so Bioware, I want to tell these ****s I told you so, check mate!"

I don't get the line of thinking where people post here just so they can say "I told you so" if IDT is proven wrong...

They never consider how ignorant and lame they will look if THEY are wrong.  But that usually doesn't factor into the thinking of people like that. 

If IDT turns out to be true, they'll say that Bioware changed their minds, that we bribed them, aliens are involved, that Dick Chaney made them do it, or Elvis is really a reaper and this is all misinformation designed to keep the secret that baboons will rise up and be our masters after Snooki's baby is born heralding the sign of the coming of the great apocalypse fortold by Joe the Fisherman...  (how's that for a run on sentence?)

IDT has already been proven false multiple times with actual statment/evidence.

You are now clinging to this theory similarly to how many cling to Christianity. You embrace ignorance and ignore knowledge, like this person:



Checkmate.

byne wrote...
*Adds Minty to the list of people I shall no longer acknowledge in any way, right beside Waldstr*

How laughable...



As if you have the ability to comprehend a paragraph of observation...

Stick to 30 second Youtube videos, twitter, and the Bible...

If only your parents knew that you spend hours of your day on here accomplishing nothing...

...they must be so disappointed...

Shame....

Oh, happy 2000. Be "proud" lol....

I know this was from a while ago, but PLEASE don't judge atheists (if you aren't one) by MintyCool

I do NOT want to start a religious debate here, but as an atheist, I (me, myself, personally, my opinion) see IT as atheism, because we're using facts, evidence, and are willing to change what we see based on how the facts change. And we all know face value endings can not make logical sense. Period. Regardless of if Bioware was to say the face value ending are canon, they still don't make logical sense.

Just another reason to not listen to MintyCool I guess

[byne]

KellanC wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Oh I don't disagree, mid level, Shepard probably will, and perhaps should, die.

As for TIM, I fully expect him to be explored in sequels, he has pretty much shaped Humanity thus far, why stop with that now?

The problem I see with him being the focus for sequels is that a low leve EMS, Reapers win, save file would be useless. I think that would be a bad move for Bioware to say, "Oh that Shepard couldn't have existed because this world the Reapers were defeated, or pushed back enough for the fight to continue and have this story happen".  I don't think a sequel could happen, I  think he'd be better explored in a prequel, if that is what you mean then I apologize.

Anywho, I'm off to see the Avengers so I will let the rest of you discuss IT.

Well, they dont let you import a save where Shepard died on the Suicide Mission, dont see why they cant say a low EMS Reapers win file is non-canon

[Legion109]

byne wrote...

I still want DLC where it turns out Emily Wong is actually alive, and I can recruit her instead of Chobot.

I'd totally romance Ms Wong.

Hell, I'd settle for Khalisah over Allers any day.

Ah miss Wong my walking wet dream, the red dress wearing Asian symbol of sexiness...........

Wait we're not talking about Resident Evil are we -Whistles inconspicuously-....

[Simon_Says]

byne wrote...

I still want DLC where it turns out Emily Wong is actually alive, and I can recruit her instead of Chobot.

I'd totally romance Ms Wong.

Hell, I'd settle for Khalisah over Allers any day.

So instead of knocking her out you'd knock her up.

HEYOOO!

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...


I know this was from a while ago, but PLEASE don't judge atheists (if you aren't one) by MintyCool

I do NOT want to start a religious debate here, but as an atheist, I (me, myself, personally, my opinion) see IT as atheism, because we're using facts, evidence, and are willing to change what we see based on how the facts change. And we all know face value endings can not make logical sense. Period. Regardless of if Bioware was to say the face value ending are canon, they still don't make logical sense.

Just another reason to not listen to MintyCool I guess

I agree, even though I am a Deist. Most Atheists are not worried about what you are, but who you are.

[marcelo_sdk]

Legion109 wrote...

I think Bioware was a bit lazy in ME3 but mostly just stupid.

Example of stupidity - "Hey guys you know how the fans all want to see what a Quarian looks like, well let's work on a pointless human character and get Jessica Chobit to voice them"

"What about the Quarians"

"Just pull some generic photo from google and photoshop it, if we don't put Jessica Chobit in the game with a completely designed human character then ME3 will be a failure"

As Joker would say -- That's just my opinion though no need to go spreading that around.

Well, I agree that they failed in that matter, but doesn't mean the same for the rest of the game. Like, the end was terrible, but the game was awesome (in my opinion).

[BleedingUranium]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


I know this was from a while ago, but PLEASE don't judge atheists (if you aren't one) by MintyCool

I do NOT want to start a religious debate here, but as an atheist, I (me, myself, personally, my opinion) see IT as atheism, because we're using facts, evidence, and are willing to change what we see based on how the facts change. And we all know face value endings can not make logical sense. Period. Regardless of if Bioware was to say the face value ending are canon, they still don't make logical sense.

Just another reason to not listen to MintyCool I guess

I agree, even though I am a Deist. Most Atheists are not worried about what you are, but who you are.

Well said, I really don't care what other people believe, I care about how they act and what they do, that's what defines a person.

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

byne wrote...

I still want DLC where it turns out Emily Wong is actually alive, and I can recruit her instead of Chobot.

I'd totally romance Ms Wong.

Hell, I'd settle for Khalisah over Allers any day.

So instead of knocking her out you'd knock her up.

HEYOOO!

You're going to hell for that one dude.

[clennon8]

BatmanTurian wrote...

KellanC wrote...

So, after talking with a friend of mine and our discussion of the whole Plot ID on Destroy thing we tossed around some ideas I made notes of and wrote a new EC that could happen based on IT.

No offense to Arian, I think his writing is brilliant, but we were talking and want to have some kind of gameplay and boss battle and threw something together. I've only turned the Destroy notes into a cohesive "script" but if anyone is interested I will copy and paste it here. It is long though, really long, and I didn't even type much dialogue because that is not something my creativity is good at.

Anyone interested at all?

Well, first of all the PlotID stuff was debunked by EpyonX, so there's that.

It was?  Can someone link me up?  I was trying to research this a couple days ago and didn't stumble across this debunking.

[Simon_Says]

Arian Dynas wrote...

You're going to hell for that one dude.

Hell's got better company anyway.

clennon8 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

KellanC wrote...

So,
after talking with a friend of mine and our discussion of the whole
Plot ID on Destroy thing we tossed around some ideas I made notes of and
wrote a new EC that could happen based on IT.

No offense to
Arian, I think his writing is brilliant, but we were talking and want to
have some kind of gameplay and boss battle and threw something
together. I've only turned the Destroy notes into a cohesive "script"
but if anyone is interested I will copy and paste it here. It is long
though, really long, and I didn't even type much dialogue because that
is not something my creativity is good at.

Anyone interested at all?

Well, first of all the PlotID stuff was debunked by EpyonX, so there's that.

It was?  Can someone link me up?  I was trying to research this a couple days ago and didn't stumble across this debunking.

Apparently End001-003 referred not to red/green/blue but the conduit run/TIMnAnderson conversation/crucible room sections, or something like that. Dissapointing I know.

Still, what were those plot flags anyway?

Modifié par Simon_Says, 05 mai 2012 - 03:12 .

[Arian Dynas]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


I know this was from a while ago, but PLEASE don't judge atheists (if you aren't one) by MintyCool

I do NOT want to start a religious debate here, but as an atheist, I (me, myself, personally, my opinion) see IT as atheism, because we're using facts, evidence, and are willing to change what we see based on how the facts change. And we all know face value endings can not make logical sense. Period. Regardless of if Bioware was to say the face value ending are canon, they still don't make logical sense.

Just another reason to not listen to MintyCool I guess

I agree, even though I am a Deist. Most Atheists are not worried about what you are, but who you are.

In my point of veiw, the whole theist versus atheist argument stems from the fact that both sides are wrong.

Athiests beleive since we can objectively prove there is no man with a gigantic white beard sitting on a throne in the sky, there is no God.

Fundamententalists ( quick fact, are you aware in ancient Rome, the Fundament was referring to your ass?) beleive there is.

I can say there is some force out there that was the prime mover, the cause of all other causes. Does that mean it was a sentient being? Maybe, though probably not. "God" is not necessarily a being, he could be a force, an idea, not necessarily sentient or even living. Could you even call this force "God"? Sure, but you could also call it quintessence, the Grand Unified Theory, or simply, the Cause, the beginning of the Universe. 

But that's all I'll say about that.

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You're going to hell for that one dude.

Hell's got better company anyway.

Ah, but Heaven has a superior climate.

[marcelo_sdk]

[quote]BleedingUranium wrote...

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

[quote]BleedingUranium wrote...


I know this was from a while ago, but PLEASE don't judge atheists (if you aren't one) by MintyCool

I do NOT want to start a religious debate here, but as an atheist, I (me, myself, personally, my opinion) see IT as atheism, because we're using facts, evidence, and are willing to change what we see based on how the facts change. And we all know face value endings can not make logical sense. Period. Regardless of if Bioware was to say the face value ending are canon, they still don't make logical sense.

Just another reason to not listen to MintyCool I guess [/quote]

No problem, I have an atheist friend, know you are not all Christians-haters.

But back to IT, I will disagree with you. Yes, we use facts, evidences, but in the game those facts and evidences are not physical ones. 

[BatmanTurian]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


I know this was from a while ago, but PLEASE don't judge atheists (if you aren't one) by MintyCool

I do NOT want to start a religious debate here, but as an atheist, I (me, myself, personally, my opinion) see IT as atheism, because we're using facts, evidence, and are willing to change what we see based on how the facts change. And we all know face value endings can not make logical sense. Period. Regardless of if Bioware was to say the face value ending are canon, they still don't make logical sense.

Just another reason to not listen to MintyCool I guess

I agree, even though I am a Deist. Most Atheists are not worried about what you are, but who you are.

In my point of veiw, the whole theist versus atheist argument stems from the fact that both sides are wrong.

Athiests beleive since we can objectively prove there is no man with a gigantic white beard sitting on a throne in the sky, there is no God.

Fundamententalists ( quick fact, are you aware in ancient Rome, the Fundament was referring to your ass?) beleive there is.

I can say there is some force out there that was the prime mover, the cause of all other causes. Does that mean it was a sentient being? Maybe, though probably not. "God" is not necessarily a being, he could be a force, an idea, not necessarily sentient or even living. Could you even call this force "God"? Sure, but you could also call it quintessence, the Grand Unified Theory, or simply, the Cause, the beginning of the Universe. 

But that's all I'll say about that.

Agreed. I approach God through science and see It as Albert Einstein would, buried in the physics of the universe, a faceless nonanthropomorphic force. But we should probably end this discussion on religion...

[BatmanTurian]

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 05 mai 2012 - 03:23 .