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[Simon_Says]

Arian Dynas wrote...

In my point of veiw, the whole theist versus atheist argument stems from the fact that both sides are wrong.

Athiests beleive since we can objectively prove there is no man with a gigantic white beard sitting on a throne in the sky, there is no God.

Fundamententalists ( quick fact, are you aware in ancient Rome, the Fundament was referring to your ass?) beleive there is.

I can say there is some force out there that was the prime mover, the cause of all other causes. Does that mean it was a sentient being? Maybe, though probably not. "God" is not necessarily a being, he could be a force, an idea, not necessarily sentient or even living. Could you even call this force "God"? Sure, but you could also call it quintessence, the Grand Unified Theory, or simply, the Cause, the beginning of the Universe. 

But that's all I'll say about that.

Or... Cosmic Imperative. (Shameless self-plug I know. Well, since I'm already going to hell...)

I've always reasoned the whole issue thus.

• Assume that God is benevolent. Then you have good reason to be a good person, and God will surely forgive you for not neccesarily beleving in Him.
• Assume that God is malevolent. Then you should be a good person to other people so that they are good to you and everyone can benefit and make the best of it.
• Assume that God is indifferent. Then you should be a good person to other people so that they are good to you and everyone can benefit and make the best of it.
• Assume that God doesn't exist. Then you should be a good person to other people so that they are good to you and everyone can benefit and make the best of it.

In other words, God or no, being a good person is the best strategy regardless. Any benefits gained from being a bad person only come with undermining your long term prospects.

And that's all I'm going to say on the subject.

[BatmanTurian]

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

In my point of veiw, the whole theist versus atheist argument stems from the fact that both sides are wrong.

Athiests beleive since we can objectively prove there is no man with a gigantic white beard sitting on a throne in the sky, there is no God.

Fundamententalists ( quick fact, are you aware in ancient Rome, the Fundament was referring to your ass?) beleive there is.

I can say there is some force out there that was the prime mover, the cause of all other causes. Does that mean it was a sentient being? Maybe, though probably not. "God" is not necessarily a being, he could be a force, an idea, not necessarily sentient or even living. Could you even call this force "God"? Sure, but you could also call it quintessence, the Grand Unified Theory, or simply, the Cause, the beginning of the Universe. 

But that's all I'll say about that.

Or... Cosmic Imperative. (Shameless self-plug I know. Well, since I'm already going to hell...)

I've always reasoned the whole issue thus.

• Assume that God is benevolent. Then you have good reason to be a good person, and God will surely forgive you for not neccesarily beleving in Him.
• Assume that God is malevolent. Then you should be a good person to other people so that they are good to you and everyone can benefit and make the best of it.
• Assume that God is indifferent. Then you should be a good person to other people so that they are good to you and everyone can benefit and make the best of it.
• Assume that God doesn't exist. Then you should be a good person to other people so that they are good to you and everyone can benefit and make the best of it.

In other words, God or no, being a good person is the best strategy regardless. Any benefits gained from being a bad person only come with undermining your long term prospects.

And that's all I'm going to say on the subject.

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[*]I like the way you think. d*mn bulletpoints.

[BleedingUranium]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


I know this was from a while ago, but PLEASE don't judge atheists (if you aren't one) by MintyCool

I do NOT want to start a religious debate here, but as an atheist, I (me, myself, personally, my opinion) see IT as atheism, because we're using facts, evidence, and are willing to change what we see based on how the facts change. And we all know face value endings can not make logical sense. Period. Regardless of if Bioware was to say the face value ending are canon, they still don't make logical sense.

Just another reason to not listen to MintyCool I guess

I agree, even though I am a Deist. Most Atheists are not worried about what you are, but who you are.

In my point of veiw, the whole theist versus atheist argument stems from the fact that both sides are wrong.

Athiests beleive since we can objectively prove there is no man with a gigantic white beard sitting on a throne in the sky, there is no God.

Fundamententalists ( quick fact, are you aware in ancient Rome, the Fundament was referring to your ass?) beleive there is.

I can say there is some force out there that was the prime mover, the cause of all other causes. Does that mean it was a sentient being? Maybe, though probably not. "God" is not necessarily a being, he could be a force, an idea, not necessarily sentient or even living. Could you even call this force "God"? Sure, but you could also call it quintessence, the Grand Unified Theory, or simply, the Cause, the beginning of the Universe. 

But that's all I'll say about that.

Agreed. I approach God through science and see It as Albert Einstein would, buried in the physics of the universe, a faceless nonanthropomorphic force. But we should probably end this discussion on religion...

Very well said, both of you

[Boradam]

Er... why is the thread in a religious discussion now?

[Simon_Says]

Boradam wrote...

Er... why is the thread in a religious discussion now?

A troll came. Tried to derail this thread with religious debate. So we ignored it.

Someone now brought up the subject again. And now we're doing the opposite of the troll's intent: we're engaging in polite, intellectual discussion with the goal of greater understanding for all.

Becuase we're spiteful bastards that's why.

[Boradam]

Simon_Says wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Er... why is the thread in a religious discussion now?

A troll came. Tried to derail this thread with religious debate. So we ignored it.

Someone now brought up the subject again. And now we're doing the opposite of the troll's intent: we're engaging in polite, intellectual discussion with the goal of greater understanding for all.

Becuase we're spiteful bastards that's why.

I applaud then; but alas we are so close to 2052.

Deus Ex must happen. Must happen.

[Domanese]

My inquiry is this. Isn't religion one of those zero tolerance things in this forum? Just curiosity

[Simon_Says]

Boradam wrote...

Deus Ex must happen. Must happen.

You kidding? Deus Ex was about as crapsack as it could get, short of full-on post-apocalyptic.

[BatmanTurian]

[quote]marcelo_sdk wrote...

[quote]BleedingUranium wrote...

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

[quote]BleedingUranium wrote...


I know this was from a while ago, but PLEASE don't judge atheists (if you aren't one) by MintyCool

I do NOT want to start a religious debate here, but as an atheist, I (me, myself, personally, my opinion) see IT as atheism, because we're using facts, evidence, and are willing to change what we see based on how the facts change. And we all know face value endings can not make logical sense. Period. Regardless of if Bioware was to say the face value ending are canon, they still don't make logical sense.

Just another reason to not listen to MintyCool I guess [/quote]

No problem, I have an atheist friend, know you are not all Christians-haters.

But back to IT, I will disagree with you. Yes, we use facts, evidences, but in the game those facts and evidences are not physical ones. 


[/quote]

They are nonetheless provable and logical deductions can be made from them.

[BatmanTurian]

Domanese wrote...

My inquiry is this. Isn't religion one of those zero tolerance things in this forum? Just curiosity

This was just a momentary blip and we were courteous about it. No need for a moderator to crash the thread.

[Arian Dynas]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Domanese wrote...

My inquiry is this. Isn't religion one of those zero tolerance things in this forum? Just curiosity

This was just a momentary blip and we were courteous about it. No need for a moderator to crash the thread.

But yes. Let's end it here.

[lex0r11]

[Simon_Says]

And so the cycle begins again. Another demotivational ascends to a higher form of existence.

[Boradam]

Simon_Says wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Deus Ex must happen. Must happen.

You kidding? Deus Ex was about as crapsack as it could get, short of full-on post-apocalyptic.

Are we speaking of the same Deus Ex that inspired Half Life?

[marcelo_sdk]

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

In my point of veiw, the whole theist versus atheist argument stems from the fact that both sides are wrong.

Athiests beleive since we can objectively prove there is no man with a gigantic white beard sitting on a throne in the sky, there is no God.

Fundamententalists ( quick fact, are you aware in ancient Rome, the Fundament was referring to your ass?) beleive there is.

I can say there is some force out there that was the prime mover, the cause of all other causes. Does that mean it was a sentient being? Maybe, though probably not. "God" is not necessarily a being, he could be a force, an idea, not necessarily sentient or even living. Could you even call this force "God"? Sure, but you could also call it quintessence, the Grand Unified Theory, or simply, the Cause, the beginning of the Universe. 

But that's all I'll say about that.

Or... Cosmic Imperative. (Shameless self-plug I know. Well, since I'm already going to hell...)

I've always reasoned the whole issue thus.

• Assume that God is benevolent. Then you have good reason to be a good person, and God will surely forgive you for not neccesarily beleving in Him.
• Assume that God is malevolent. Then you should be a good person to other people so that they are good to you and everyone can benefit and make the best of it.
• Assume that God is indifferent. Then you should be a good person to other people so that they are good to you and everyone can benefit and make the best of it.
• Assume that God doesn't exist. Then you should be a good person to other people so that they are good to you and everyone can benefit and make the best of it.

In other words, God or no, being a good person is the best strategy regardless. Any benefits gained from being a bad person only come with undermining your long term prospects.

And that's all I'm going to say on the subject.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Very well said.

[balance5050]

A little off subject, but The Avengers was f***in righteous! You should all see it if you are a fan of super hero movies.

[Boradam]

balance5050 wrote...

A little off subject, but The Avengers was f***in righteous! You should all see it if you are a fan of super hero movies.

Will do.

[Arian Dynas]

Let's get back on topic here folks.

[Simon_Says]

Boradam wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Deus Ex must happen. Must happen.

You kidding? Deus Ex was about as crapsack as it could get, short of full-on post-apocalyptic.

Are we speaking of the same Deus Ex that inspired Half Life?

Inspir-what?

Half-Life - 1998
Deus Ex - 2000

[Boradam]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Let's get back on topic here folks.

Right.

Did that guy who said his friend only got Control and Synthesis endings post the video and screenshots of it yet?

[lex0r11]

balance5050 wrote...

A little off subject, but The Avengers was f***in righteous! You should all see it if you are a fan of super hero movies.

Saw it too. RIDICULOUS.



Alright, alright, back to topic.

*puts away the rest of the sidetracking stuff*

Modifié par lex0r11, 05 mai 2012 - 03:48 .

[Boradam]

Simon_Says wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Deus Ex must happen. Must happen.

You kidding? Deus Ex was about as crapsack as it could get, short of full-on post-apocalyptic.

Are we speaking of the same Deus Ex that inspired Half Life?

Inspir-what?

Half-Life - 1998
Deus Ex - 2000

Half-life 2**

Derpy memory.

**** it, maybe I'm confusing the game it helped inspire with a different game.

Modifié par Boradam, 05 mai 2012 - 03:48 .

[Simon_Says]

Boradam wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Let's get back on topic here folks.

Right.

Did that guy who said his friend only got Control and Synthesis endings post the video and screenshots of it yet?

I'm pretty sure that what happened there was probably just a bug. Destroy and Control are both unlocked well before Synthesis is unlocked.

[Boradam]

Simon_Says wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Let's get back on topic here folks.

Right.

Did that guy who said his friend only got Control and Synthesis endings post the video and screenshots of it yet?

I'm pretty sure that what happened there was probably just a bug. Destroy and Control are both unlocked well before Synthesis is unlocked.

Oh well, guess I'll need to wait to see if it was or not.

Also;

Modifié par Boradam, 05 mai 2012 - 03:49 .

[Simon_Says]

Brb, reinstalling.

Also, you know what ending I'm gonna pick? Oh yeah.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks to emperors. Today we kneel only to truth."

Words to live by.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 05 mai 2012 - 03:51 .