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[Simon_Says]

Aw c'mon Byne. I'm sure there are already fanfic writers at work explaining how the end of ME3 links into the Halo franchise.

So there'll be Avery Johnson. Which is a good thing.

[blooregard]

byne wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

byne wrote...

Except the fact that the red wave disintegrates people on Earth kind of implies thats what the red wave is going to do everywhere, meaning you not only killed everything in the galaxy, you scorched all planets of any life whatsoever, and have pretty much sterilized the entire galaxy for all time. (Except for the planet the Normandy lands on, apparently, because it is immune to the color red, I suppose)

Nice going.

Yeah, that's actually... yeah. I don't know what the deal is there. Maybe it's just Earth that's torched due to proximity/energy-density...
Or, you know...

Also, you forget that if life arose once on its own, it can again, presumably.

Low EMS destroy epilogue - 4 billion years from now, a single-celled organism appears on a planet we've never seen before.

Cut to credits

'Victorious and uplifting!'

Nice work everyone!

Byne I belive you originally mentioned that the only reason the lower EMS gets destroy is because you already did like half the Reapers' job anyway and the higher the EMS the more likely the cycle was to suceed.

[HellishFiend]

Simon_Says wrote...

Aw c'mon Byne. I'm sure there are already fanfic writers at work explaining how the end of ME3 links into the Halo franchise.

So there'll be Avery Johnson. Which is a good thing.

I dont play Halo, and the NBA playoffs are currently on, so when you said that, the first thing I thought was, Avery Johnson, former San Antonio Spurs point guard, and current coach of the Nets? Why would he be written into Mass Effect? 

A quick google fixed me up.  

[byne]

Simon_Says wrote...

Aw c'mon Byne. I'm sure there are already fanfic writers at work explaining how the end of ME3 links into the Halo franchise.

So there'll be Avery Johnson. Which is a good thing.

But then he'll just be killed by an Oculus Epsilon Guilty Spark.

[balance5050]

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...




That's just an assumption though, there's nothing to suggest that anything is "compensated" for. No one even walks out of the normandy on that ending if I'm not mistaken.

HellishFiend wrote... 
In face value context I assume that only the immediate wave that comes out of the Citadel vaporizes everything, and as the process makes it to the mass relays, the relays compensate and send out the correct, non destructive wave to the rest of the galaxy.

*cough*

That's it? I just thought you wanted to go deeper. Oh well.....

[Simon_Says]

blooregard wrote...

Byne I belive you originally mentioned that the only reason the lower EMS gets destroy is because you already did like half the Reapers' job anyway and the higher the EMS the more likely the cycle was to suceed.

Right now we're just discussing the endings in terms of face-value. Basically we're highlighting how crap and nonsensical they are.

But yes, low-EMS presumably means that the reapers win no matter what happens to Shepard.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Let's get back on topic here folks.

Right.

Did that guy who said his friend only got Control and Synthesis endings post the video and screenshots of it yet?

I'm pretty sure that what happened there was probably just a bug. Destroy and Control are both unlocked well before Synthesis is unlocked.

Hopefully I'll get those shots up in the next couple days, friend is getting FRAPS up and running again so might even get a video upped to youtube but screeshots for sure. Only thing is he's got work on and off throughout the weekend and next week so don't know when I can get them.
I thought it was probably a bug at  first too, but we'll double check soon enough.

Either way, I cant wait. Even if your friend was mistaken or just confused, I'd still like to know. The bit that makes me really wonder is how he said he walked up to the destroy ramp, couldnt do anything, and then walked back. There are two things wrong with that: First, if you walk completely down the ramp, the game locks you there and you cant back out. Second, if you walk halfway down the ramp (to the point where it turns), and then try to walk back, you get a game over. 

I should also note, he did tell me he got the game over screen at least once. This leads me to believe he walked or waited around a bit trying to decide.

I also talked to him earlier and he clarified, he was able to walk up the destroy ramp but the tube was empty, didn't lock him in place or anything either, which seems even More like a bug. I'm not sure if the Catalyst explained the destroy option to him at all but I'll find out.

If anyone is wondering I'm keeping him away from this thread because he hasn't seen Shepard's Breath yet, told him how to get it so he's working on it but I also was curious to see if he could get it without a NG+ or import (I know they said you couldn't but hey). Again, we'll find out soon.

[blooregard]

HellishFiend wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Aw c'mon Byne. I'm sure there are already fanfic writers at work explaining how the end of ME3 links into the Halo franchise.

So there'll be Avery Johnson. Which is a good thing.

I dont play Halo, and the NBA playoffs are currently on, so when you said that, the first thing I thought was, Avery Johnson, former San Antonio Spurs point guard, and current coach of the Nets? Why would he be written into Mass Effect? 

A quick google fixed me up.  

Yao Ming is the catalyst in EC.

[HellishFiend]

balance5050 wrote...


That's it? I just thought you wanted to go deeper. Oh well.....

My desire to go "deeper" into the face-value context is very limited. Speculating on the IT is far more interesting. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 05 mai 2012 - 04:36 .

[Simon_Says]

byne wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Aw c'mon Byne. I'm sure there are already fanfic writers at work explaining how the end of ME3 links into the Halo franchise.

So there'll be Avery Johnson. Which is a good thing.

But then he'll just be killed by an Oculus Epsilon Guilty Spark.

Well. Crap.



Never played any of the games besides the first two. Wasn't even aware Johnson died. That's sad. He was the best thing in the entire franchise. Kinda sad that the best thing was ripped wholesale from Aliens.

[HellishFiend]

blooregard wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Aw c'mon Byne. I'm sure there are already fanfic writers at work explaining how the end of ME3 links into the Halo franchise.

So there'll be Avery Johnson. Which is a good thing.

I dont play Halo, and the NBA playoffs are currently on, so when you said that, the first thing I thought was, Avery Johnson, former San Antonio Spurs point guard, and current coach of the Nets? Why would he be written into Mass Effect? 

A quick google fixed me up.  

Yao Ming is the catalyst in EC.

Makes sense, since the catalyst is apparently easily injured by slight contact with an object and decides to retire. 

[Simon_Says]

blooregard wrote...

Yao Ming is the catalyst in EC.

This is a memeface comic just waiting to happen.

>_>

*maybe gets to work on it*

[Boradam]

I was thinking about Cerberus and the fact that TIM said that "Cerberus is not an organization, it is an idea," and how Vendetta stated things repeated themselves throughout each cycle, I don't know what I'm going on about but could it be that TIM's contact with the Reaper device way back when put the 'idea' of Cerberus into his mind to help serve the Reapers -- albiet unknowingly?

Modifié par Boradam, 05 mai 2012 - 04:39 .

[byne]

Simon_Says wrote...

Well. Crap.

*snip*

Never played any of the games besides the first two. Wasn't even aware Johnson died. That's sad. He was the best thing in the entire franchise. Kinda sad that the best thing was ripped wholesale from Aliens.

Yeah, Sergeant Johnson was awesome.

[HellishFiend]

Boradam wrote...

I was thinking about Cerberus and the fact that TIM said that "Cerberus is not an organization, it is an idea," and how Vendetta stated things repeated themselves throughout each cycle, I don't know what I'm going on about but could it be that TIM's contact with the Reaper device way back when put the 'idea' of Cerberus into his mind to help serve the Reapers -- albiet unknowingly?

Nice catch. Sounds plausible to me. 

[Simon_Says]

Boradam wrote...

I was thinking about Cerberus and the fact that TIM said that "Cerberus is not an organization, it is an idea," and how Vendetta stated things repeated themselves throughout each cycle, I don't know what I'm going on about but could it be that TIM's contact with the Reaper device way back when put the 'idea' of Cerberus into his mind to help serve the Reapers -- albiet unknowingly?

That's... a good theory actually. The reapers plant the seed for a clandestine organization to grow within their target's ranks, amassing wealth and power, so that when they're needed they can stab civilization in the back. Repeatedly.

Reapers you magnficient bastards!

[blooregard]

Oooh I want to play so lets do the ending at face value:

-in an APC truck stops, get out suicidally run towards a Reaper and teliporter
-Get lasered
-wake up after plot armor is destroyed
-limp over to teliporter and gun down Marauder Shields
-wake up in hallway of dead people connected to the central control panel
-TIM becomes uber psychic 
-TIM an heros
-Anderson dies
-Shepard passes out again
-wake up on magical outside in space room where ReaperBieber is there to greet you
-chose between killing all robots, taking control of galactic invasion fleet, or rewrite all the DNA ever
-pick destroy have a chance of surviving shep's ME2 cause of death
-pick control everything bad leaves
-pick synthesis everyone is some freaky cyborg thing
-very different endings amirite-mass relays explode all the time
-Vrolik's syndrome gets to Joker's backbone
-team mates kidnapped by Joker
-sentinced to forever alone status on gilligan's planet
-tell me another story about the shepard
-anything for you my sweet
-"commander sheard has become a legend! you can build that legend further by more gameplay and purchasing downloadable content!"
-Commander Shepard has murdered everything in some fashion you can see him do more stuff before that happens by giving us more money
end of game. Did I do good

Modifié par blooregard, 05 mai 2012 - 04:49 .

[marcelo_sdk]

byne wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

It's true that, if your EMS is low, the energy wave from the destroy ending burn all organics and destroy Earth? If that's true, I am 100% certain that the endindgs can't be real. BW would not make such dumb things, I just can't believe in that.

It's true, that's what's depicted. And it's not that stupid. If you didn't bother building up your strength to combat the greatest enemy the galaxy has ever faced, and you just rush in with a rag-tag half-dead fleet, then yeah, make it a pyrrhic victory on the grandest scale.

Or, according to IT, a complete failure.

Except the fact that the red wave disintegrates people on Earth kind of implies thats what the red wave is going to do everywhere, meaning you not only killed everything in the galaxy, you scorched all planets of any life whatsoever, and have pretty much sterilized the entire galaxy for all time. (Except for the planet the Normandy lands on, apparently, because it is immune to the color red, I suppose)

Nice going.

And why the "champion of the organics" kid give you a choice that wipe outs, ate the very best, everyone on the Solar System, and possibly all the galaxy life forms?

And why he doesn't warn you about this "little" side-effect? I mean, it would completely change my choice if I knwew I would destroy the homeplanet of my race with all lifeforms in it and my best friends (as far as I know, Shepard didn't know abou Normandy's "escape").

[blooregard]

Simon_Says wrote...

Boradam wrote...

I was thinking about Cerberus and the fact that TIM said that "Cerberus is not an organization, it is an idea," and how Vendetta stated things repeated themselves throughout each cycle, I don't know what I'm going on about but could it be that TIM's contact with the Reaper device way back when put the 'idea' of Cerberus into his mind to help serve the Reapers -- albiet unknowingly?

That's... a good theory actually. The reapers plant the seed for a clandestine organization to grow within their target's ranks, amassing wealth and power, so that when they're needed they can stab civilization in the back. Repeatedly.

Reapers you magnficient bastards!

Vendetta also sas that those who advocated control of the Reapers turned out to be indoctrinated...Cerberus is advocating control of the Reapers

[Boradam]

blooregard wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Boradam wrote...

I was thinking about Cerberus and the fact that TIM said that "Cerberus is not an organization, it is an idea," and how Vendetta stated things repeated themselves throughout each cycle, I don't know what I'm going on about but could it be that TIM's contact with the Reaper device way back when put the 'idea' of Cerberus into his mind to help serve the Reapers -- albiet unknowingly?

That's... a good theory actually. The reapers plant the seed for a clandestine organization to grow within their target's ranks, amassing wealth and power, so that when they're needed they can stab civilization in the back. Repeatedly.

Reapers you magnficient bastards!

Vendetta also sas that those who advocated control of the Reapers turned out to be indoctrinated...Cerberus is advocating control of the Reapers

The result being even from the earliest of his exposure to Reaper tech much of what he's done has also been helping prepare for the Reaper's arrival before he even knew they existed, it's pretty sad to think about now.

blooregard wrote...


Vendetta also sas that those who
advocated control of the Reapers turned out to be
indoctrinated...Cerberus is advocating control of the Reapers

The fact that the Illusive Man forced Reaper tech into civillians along with his Cerberus operatives couldn't have helped his chances of staying his own mind, in the end he made it unbelievably easy for the Reapers to manipulate him and his organizaiton. The Reaper's are pretty goddamn devious.

Modifié par Boradam, 05 mai 2012 - 04:54 .

[HellishFiend]

blooregard wrote...

Oooh I want to play so lets do the ending at face value:

-in an APC truck stops, get out suicidally run towards a Reaper and teliporter
-Get lasered
-wake up after plot armor is destroyed
-limp over to teliporter and gun down Marauder Shields
-wake up in hallway of dead people connected to the central control panel
-TIM becomes uber psychic 
-TIM an heros
-Anderson dies
-Shepard passes out again
-wake up on magical outside in space room where ReaperBieber is there to greet you
-chose between killing all robots, taking control of galactic invasion fleet, or rewrite all the DNA ever
-pick destroy have a chance of surviving shep's ME2 cause of death
-pick control everything bad leaves
-pick synthesis everyone is some freaky cyborg thing
-very different endings amirite-mass relays explode all the time
-Vrolik's syndrome gets to Joker's backbone
-team mates kidnapped by Joker
-sentinced to forever alone status on gilligan's planet
-tell me another story about the shepard
-anything for you my sweet
-"commander sheard has become a legend! you can build that legend further by more gameplay and purchasing downloadable content!"
-Commander Shepard has murdered everything in some fashion you can see him do more stuff before that happens by giving us more money
end of game. Did I do good

*goes into Pro-IT SubAstris mode*

Wait, how do we know Anderson actually died? Was that ever specifically stated? Screenshots please. Can any pro-ender folk explain to me how Shepard's body is not hanging off the magic elevator when it is clearly too small to contain his entire body? Again, find me some screenshots as proof. 

[byne]

Boradam wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Boradam wrote...

I was thinking about Cerberus and the fact that TIM said that "Cerberus is not an organization, it is an idea," and how Vendetta stated things repeated themselves throughout each cycle, I don't know what I'm going on about but could it be that TIM's contact with the Reaper device way back when put the 'idea' of Cerberus into his mind to help serve the Reapers -- albiet unknowingly?

That's... a good theory actually. The reapers plant the seed for a clandestine organization to grow within their target's ranks, amassing wealth and power, so that when they're needed they can stab civilization in the back. Repeatedly.

Reapers you magnficient bastards!

Vendetta also sas that those who advocated control of the Reapers turned out to be indoctrinated...Cerberus is advocating control of the Reapers

The result being even from the earliest of his exposure to Reaper tech much of what he's done has also been helping prepare for the Reaper's arrival before he even knew they existed, it's pretty sad to think about now.

Remember that convo with Liara in ME1 about Saren?

Liara: I actually feel somewhat sorry for him.
Shepard: He's become a slave to the Reapers and he doesnt even realize it.

[blooregard]

Boradam wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Boradam wrote...

I was thinking about Cerberus and the fact that TIM said that "Cerberus is not an organization, it is an idea," and how Vendetta stated things repeated themselves throughout each cycle, I don't know what I'm going on about but could it be that TIM's contact with the Reaper device way back when put the 'idea' of Cerberus into his mind to help serve the Reapers -- albiet unknowingly?

That's... a good theory actually. The reapers plant the seed for a clandestine organization to grow within their target's ranks, amassing wealth and power, so that when they're needed they can stab civilization in the back. Repeatedly.

Reapers you magnficient bastards!

Vendetta also sas that those who advocated control of the Reapers turned out to be indoctrinated...Cerberus is advocating control of the Reapers

The result being even from the earliest of his exposure to Reaper tech much of what he's done has also been helping prepare for the Reaper's arrival before he even knew they existed, it's pretty sad to think about now.

So wait when does TIM get indoctrinated? I also think I read something talking about him researching the Reapers only after the events of ME1 but in ME3 he goes on to talk about how he dedicated his entire life to the Reapers.

[Simon_Says]

byne wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Also, you forget that if life arose once on its own, it can again, presumably.

Low EMS destroy epilogue - 4 billion years from now, a single-celled organism appears on a planet we've never seen before.

Cut to credits

'Victorious and uplifting!'

Nice work everyone!

Simon_Says wrote...

It's true, that's what's
depicted. And it's not that stupid. If you didn't bother building up your strength to combat the greatest enemy the galaxy has ever faced, and you just rush in with a rag-tag half-dead fleet, then yeah, make it a pyrrhic victory on the grandest scale.

Victorious and uplifting? Not what was called for.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 05 mai 2012 - 04:56 .

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

Remember that convo with Liara in ME1 about Saren?

Liara: I actually feel somewhat sorry for him.
Shepard: He's become a slave to the Reapers and he doesnt even realize it.

I actually got the distinct impression during TIM's ME3 convos that the paragon reputation dialog options were actually getting through to him. He would pause before his answers and wouldnt display the same TIM level of confidence when defending his position (Martin Sheen, you're the man). That further makes me believe that TIM has been indoctrinated for quite some time and subtly furthering the Reaper's goals. Now that his actions are more directly aiding the reapers, his confidence in those actions wavers slightly under Shepard's verbal paragon assaults.