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bigstig wrote...

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This is a cap from that video
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okay I can possibly see a turian, if I squint my eyes a little, or it could be a species that has a hammerhead shark appearence. It could also be a salarian - remember Mordins collar - this could be t he the cause of the black T shape in the picture

I heard you can see Garrus visor as it's glowing right in your face... seriously can't you see that?
But if you want more: let me introduce Javik the techno Prothean.
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Eh i hate the new default femshep she looks like a squirrel.

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Rosewind wrote...

Eh i hate the new default femshep she looks like a squirrel.

You mean Freckles or the original?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Eh i hate the new default femshep she looks like a squirrel.

You mean Freckles or the original?


Freckles since she is the new default lol, Rose is based on the old one so I have no problem with her.

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Baldsake wrote...

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I've come to realize that they can do what they want - if they stick with the Starbrat and the stupid idea to introduce him 2 minutes before the game is over the ending is ruined for me, no matter how much explanations they add. It just remains bad.

The only way for me to get a new point of view on this is if they would implement the IT. Note that I dont like the IT because the fans had to come up with it, there is no way BW had this brilliant idea. But if they would give it a try thats the only way I could change my mind about the ending in a major way because it would be a whole different story.


But they did have the idea, they just couldn't get it to work game wise.

And how do you know that? BW attitude strongly indicates that they never intended the IT.


Bioware attitude has not indicated anything. Meanwhile the Final Hours app confirmed that the player was supposed to lose control of Shepard when he became indoctrinated during the ending sequence, however the gameplay mechanic was removed. Fact- Reapers were supposed to indoctrinate Shepard.

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NoSpin wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

XwebraiderX wrote...

I've come to realize that they can do what they want - if they stick with the Starbrat and the stupid idea to introduce him 2 minutes before the game is over the ending is ruined for me, no matter how much explanations they add. It just remains bad.

The only way for me to get a new point of view on this is if they would implement the IT. Note that I dont like the IT because the fans had to come up with it, there is no way BW had this brilliant idea. But if they would give it a try thats the only way I could change my mind about the ending in a major way because it would be a whole different story.


But they did have the idea, they just couldn't get it to work game wise.

And how do you know that? BW attitude strongly indicates that they never intended the IT.


Bioware attitude has not indicated anything. Meanwhile the Final Hours app confirmed that the player was supposed to lose control of Shepard when he became indoctrinated during the ending sequence, however the gameplay mechanic was removed. Fact- Reapers were supposed to indoctrinate Shepard.



I don't doubt that IT will NOT be disproven when the EC releases.  Bioware intended to indoctrinate Shepard at one point.  I don't see why they would drop the concept entirely.

Modifié par liggy002, 05 mai 2012 - 11:49 .


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Legion109 wrote...

I think Bioware was a bit lazy in ME3 but mostly just stupid.

Example of stupidity - "Hey guys you know how the fans all want to see what a Quarian looks like, well let's work on a pointless human character and get Jessica Chobit to voice them"

"What about the Quarians"

"Just pull some generic photo from google and photoshop it, if we don't put Jessica Chobit in the game with a completely designed human character then ME3 will be a failure"

As Joker would say -- That's just my opinion though no need to go spreading that around.


Personally I don't care about the whole Tali picture thing, I think it worked well with the image I had in my head for her and found it really touching to be given a picture for the cabin(I shed a tear, a manly tear but a tear nonetheless) + it wasn't far off some of the better fan art for Tali.

I will say the Jessica Chobit thing was disappointing, I had no idea who she was but in the game I found her out of place, I kept expecting some plot element to be brought up through her or something but outside a few EMS conversations she is mostly pointless. Also you can boot her off the Normandy and still keep the EMS that she gives you.  I also found the character model a little fugly, I couldn't say what exactly seemed wrong with her but she seemed out of place and the dress she was wearing just didn't look right(the same thing for FemShep in a dress)

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Rosewind wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Eh i hate the new default femshep she looks like a squirrel.

You mean Freckles or the original?


Freckles since she is the new default lol, Rose is based on the old one so I have no problem with her.

Then I agree.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Eh i hate the new default femshep she looks like a squirrel.

You mean Freckles or the original?


Freckles since she is the new default lol, Rose is based on the old one so I have no problem with her.

Then I agree.


 I always hated her to begin with when I first saw the concept art and decided I would see what she looks like in game before m,aking a final judgement(concept art and in game don't always look the same) but I hate her even more in game then the art lol.

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I can understand the discontent people have with the new default Shepard. But that's what the sliders in character creation are for!




Rosewind wrote...

Eh i hate the new default femshep she looks like a squirrel.


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lex0r11 wrote...

I can understand the discontent people have with the new default Shepard. But that's what the sliders in character creation are for!


I know that silly :P

But you cant ignore promotional art :P

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bigstig wrote...

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Hey guys, remember that mystery person on the garden planet?(some thinking it maybe Garrus), I just reloaded and replayed the ending selecting destroy, Shepard did not survive(no breath scene) but the interesting thing, no mystery person either, I've gone over it frame by frame in in virtuadub, nothing, nada, not there.


Wait, what mystery person on the garden world?

Please not my sentence, I can only be referring to one world after destroy, the one the Normandy crashed on, I'm in the process of uploading a video, but it's slow on my connection.


Er, I was asking what person was there as I wasn't even aware there was a mystery person who appears in the final scene.






The shape of the face appears to look like a Protheans
(Javik) or a Collectors to me, but I'll let the rest of you decide what
it looks like.

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I can't really see anything there human or otherwise(wall-e perhaps).  Wouldn't it be funny though if that mystery thing was a Yagg and the normany crew had crashed on their homeworld. It could be the set up for ME4 and beyond as now you have to face this new agressive species


To me, this is clearly Liara.
But one my wonder why Bioware put something in a shot that nearly 100% of players will miss. Only if you start intentionally looking for something...Bioware did want speculations, and it seems on an exceptionally high level.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 05 mai 2012 - 12:07 .


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That one is Liara, but you can also get Jarvik and Garrus don't know about Vega though.

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You people just don't get it. The entire galaxy was turned into the reaper's farm a long long time ago. They stashed their tech every where. Everyone uses it every day. The relays, the citadel, it's all reaper tech. Everyone is indoctrinated. The entire simplistic paragon/renegade morality system is reaper indoctrination. Everyone is set up to travel along the paths that the reapers choose, whether they know it, like it, or not.

Try disproving that!

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nicethugbert wrote...

You people just don't get it. The entire galaxy was turned into the reaper's farm a long long time ago. They stashed their tech every where. Everyone uses it every day. The relays, the citadel, it's all reaper tech. Everyone is indoctrinated. The entire simplistic paragon/renegade morality system is reaper indoctrination. Everyone is set up to travel along the paths that the reapers choose, whether they know it, like it, or not.

Try disproving that!


What exactly are we meant to be disproving in your argument?

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Rosewind wrote...

That one is Liara, but you can also get Jarvik and Garrus don't know about Vega though.

It's always the one coming out last in the other endings, so you should be able to get any of your squadmates.

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lex0r11 wrote...

I can understand the discontent people have with the new default Shepard. But that's what the sliders in character creation are for!




Rosewind wrote...

Eh i hate the new default femshep she looks like a squirrel.


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Nothing better than coming in here after a hard night of work and seeing a Lex0r11 motivational. 
If squirrels really did carry mac 10's it would certainly make hunting more interesting. :happy:

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I know I <3 Lex0r :D

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HellishFiend wrote...

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I can honestly say that the implication of TIM's speech/dialog/suicide not being real is my one regret about believing IT. It's one of the most powerful dialogs in the trilogy, IMO. I guess we can still consider it "real" in the fact that it happened in Shepard's head, but I thought it was a great way to wrap up TIM's character. Who knows though, maybe the EC would bring about an even better end for TIM. 



I think keeping TIM alive and trying him for war crimes after the war is over would be better.

To quote Tali: He be a traitor to our people, held up for children as a monster in a cautionary tale.


That raises the question, can you really try someone for actions that were made while under the effects of indoctrination?


Can you really try someone who was merely following orders who may have been in fear of their owns lives? It's a loaded question but a valid comparison I don't think anyone has the "correct"  answer for it, I don't even think there is a "correct" answer

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 ::jumps twenty pages:: *boing* So, anything new and exciting, folks? :)

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Kyzee wrote...

 ::jumps twenty pages:: *boing* So, anything new and exciting, folks? :)


I had a salad for lunch?

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Rosewind wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

 ::jumps twenty pages:: *boing* So, anything new and exciting, folks? :)


I had a salad for lunch?


::desperately fights back urge to derail thread with salad talk:: :D

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bigstig wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I can honestly say that the implication of TIM's speech/dialog/suicide not being real is my one regret about believing IT. It's one of the most powerful dialogs in the trilogy, IMO. I guess we can still consider it "real" in the fact that it happened in Shepard's head, but I thought it was a great way to wrap up TIM's character. Who knows though, maybe the EC would bring about an even better end for TIM. 



I think keeping TIM alive and trying him for war crimes after the war is over would be better.

To quote Tali: He be a traitor to our people, held up for children as a monster in a cautionary tale.


That raises the question, can you really try someone for actions that were made while under the effects of indoctrination?


Can you really try someone who was merely following orders who may have been in fear of their owns lives? It's a loaded question but a valid comparison I don't think anyone has the "correct"  answer for it, I don't even think there is a "correct" answer


What is even a trial like, in a galaxy that is either near or just nearly survived an apocalypse?

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Kyzee wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

 ::jumps twenty pages:: *boing* So, anything new and exciting, folks? :)


I had a salad for lunch?


::desperately fights back urge to derail thread with salad talk:: :D

It was a tomatoe salad with the lsat of this seasons tomatoes :D

Edit: wow spelling ><

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