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[Stigweird85]

MaximizedAction wrote...

bigstig wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I can honestly say that the implication of TIM's speech/dialog/suicide not being real is my one regret about believing IT. It's one of the most powerful dialogs in the trilogy, IMO. I guess we can still consider it "real" in the fact that it happened in Shepard's head, but I thought it was a great way to wrap up TIM's character. Who knows though, maybe the EC would bring about an even better end for TIM. 

I think keeping TIM alive and trying him for war crimes after the war is over would be better.

To quote Tali: He be a traitor to our people, held up for children as a monster in a cautionary tale.

That raises the question, can you really try someone for actions that were made while under the effects of indoctrination?

Can you really try someone who was merely following orders who may have been in fear of their owns lives? It's a loaded question but a valid comparison I don't think anyone has the "correct"  answer for it, I don't even think there is a "correct" answer

What is even a trial like, in a galaxy that is either near or just nearly survived an apocalypse?

Well applying current logic that TIM committed War Crimes against the universe and the council is the seat of power for the majority of the galaxy so in theory whatever is left of the council would be responsible

[Kyzee]

Rosewind wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

 ::jumps twenty pages:: *boing* So, anything new and exciting, folks? 

I had a salad for lunch?

::desperately fights back urge to derail thread with salad talk:: 

It was a tomatoe salad with the lsat of this seasons tomatoes

Edit: wow spelling ><

Gah, THWARTED! . . . regular or cherry tomatoes?

[Rosewind]

Kyzee wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

 ::jumps twenty pages:: *boing* So, anything new and exciting, folks? 

I had a salad for lunch?

::desperately fights back urge to derail thread with salad talk:: 

It was a tomatoe salad with the lsat of this seasons tomatoes

Edit: wow spelling ><

Gah, THWARTED! . . . regular or cherry tomatoes?

Roman we grow them for sauce

[Kyzee]

Rosewind wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

 ::jumps twenty pages:: *boing* So, anything new and exciting, folks? 

I had a salad for lunch?

::desperately fights back urge to derail thread with salad talk:: 

It was a tomatoe salad with the lsat of this seasons tomatoes

Edit: wow spelling ><

Gah, THWARTED! . . . regular or cherry tomatoes?

Roman we grow them for sauce

 
Ooooooo . . . okay, stopping now. Sorry, everyone! 

Modifié par Kyzee, 05 mai 2012 - 01:07 .

[MaximizedAction]

bigstig wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

bigstig wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I can honestly say that the implication of TIM's speech/dialog/suicide not being real is my one regret about believing IT. It's one of the most powerful dialogs in the trilogy, IMO. I guess we can still consider it "real" in the fact that it happened in Shepard's head, but I thought it was a great way to wrap up TIM's character. Who knows though, maybe the EC would bring about an even better end for TIM. 

I think keeping TIM alive and trying him for war crimes after the war is over would be better.

To quote Tali: He be a traitor to our people, held up for children as a monster in a cautionary tale.

That raises the question, can you really try someone for actions that were made while under the effects of indoctrination?

Can you really try someone who was merely following orders who may have been in fear of their owns lives? It's a loaded question but a valid comparison I don't think anyone has the "correct"  answer for it, I don't even think there is a "correct" answer

What is even a trial like, in a galaxy that is either near or just nearly survived an apocalypse?

Well applying current logic that TIM committed War Crimes against the universe and the council is the seat of power for the majority of the galaxy so in theory whatever is left of the council would be responsible

Hm, that may be a Battlestar Galactica style to wrap up a character. I always thought of ME more like Star Wars. So I imagine the character more going down before getting to chance to face the consequences of his actions, even though TIM is likely a victim of the events around him.

[Rosewind]

TIM wasn't exactly the pinnacle of goodlyness to being with though so wouldn't really call him a victim of the events. just a man who was delude into thinking he should hold all the cards in what's best for humanity.

[MaximizedAction]

Rosewind wrote...

TIM wasn't exactly the pinnacle of goodlyness to being with though so wouldn't really call him a victim of the events. just a man who was delude into thinking he should hold all the cards in what's best for humanity.

I'm not entirely done reading Evolution, but that's how the character of Jack Harper appeared to me.

[Rosewind]

Judge a man by hist actions not by his history

[lex0r11]

Big G13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I can understand the discontent people have with the new default Shepard. But that's what the sliders in character creation are for!

Rosewind wrote...

Eh i hate the new default femshep she looks like a squirrel.

Commander Conker!

Nothing better than coming in here after a hard night of work and seeing a Lex0r11 motivational. 
If squirrels really did carry mac 10's it would certainly make hunting more interesting. :happy:

After posting this I went for a run. Half way back a squirrel pops out from under a car and I almost stepped on it. AND it was still raining a bit and that thing made me almost slip.

Damn "popping out of nowhere" ambush squirrels.
Or am I starting to imagine things?

Modifié par lex0r11, 05 mai 2012 - 01:25 .

[Rosewind]

Infiltrator Squirrels

[Kyzee]

 

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

bigstig wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

bigstig wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I can honestly say that the implication of TIM's speech/dialog/suicide not being real is my one regret about believing IT. It's one of the most powerful dialogs in the trilogy, IMO. I guess we can still consider it "real" in the fact that it happened in Shepard's head, but I thought it was a great way to wrap up TIM's character. Who knows though, maybe the EC would bring about an even better end for TIM. 

I think keeping TIM alive and trying him for war crimes after the war is over would be better.

To quote Tali: He be a traitor to our people, held up for children as a monster in a cautionary tale.

That raises the question, can you really try someone for actions that were made while under the effects of indoctrination?

Can you really try someone who was merely following orders who may have been in fear of their owns lives? It's a loaded question but a valid comparison I don't think anyone has the "correct"  answer for it, I don't even think there is a "correct" answer

What is even a trial like, in a galaxy that is either near or just nearly survived an apocalypse?

Well applying current logic that TIM committed War Crimes against the universe and the council is the seat of power for the majority of the galaxy so in theory whatever is left of the council would be responsible

Hm, that may be a Battlestar Galactica style to wrap up a character. I always thought of ME more like Star Wars. So I imagine the character more going down before getting to chance to face the consequences of his actions, even though TIM is likely a victim of the events around him.

Imo it's more like this:
http://sfdebris.com/...artrek/d419.asp
It's an interesting review of a DS9 episode that raises questions that can be applied here in the same way.

[MegumiAzusa]

lex0r11 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I can understand the discontent people have with the new default Shepard. But that's what the sliders in character creation are for!

Rosewind wrote...

Eh i hate the new default femshep she looks like a squirrel.

Commander Conker!

Nothing better than coming in here after a hard night of work and seeing a Lex0r11 motivational. 
If squirrels really did carry mac 10's it would certainly make hunting more interesting. :happy:

After posting this I went for a run. Half way back a squirrel pops out from under a car and I almost stepped on it. AND it was still raining a bit and that thing made me almost slip.

Damn "popping out of nowhere" ambush squirrels.
Or am I starting to imagine things?

Listen to yourself! You're indoctrinated!

[Big G13]

lex0r11 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I can understand the discontent people have with the new default Shepard. But that's what the sliders in character creation are for!

Rosewind wrote...

Eh i hate the new default femshep she looks like a squirrel.

Commander Conker!

Nothing better than coming in here after a hard night of work and seeing a Lex0r11 motivational. 
If squirrels really did carry mac 10's it would certainly make hunting more interesting. :happy:

After posting this I went for a run. Half way back a squirrel pops out from under a car and I almost stepped on it. AND it was still raining a bit and that thing made me almost slip.

Damn "popping out of nowhere" ambush squirrels.
Or am I starting to imagine things?

In this election year, with economic uncertainty, and growing global safety concerns, ask yourself, 'which candidate will keep us safe from the threat of Ambush Squirrels?'

[Rosewind]

You think that's bad I heard Zaeed on Spongebob Squarepants last night.

[lex0r11]

Okay, here is Garrus completely losing it on TV.

youtu.be/6QLhoXkmgAk

[Rosewind]

lex0r11 wrote...

Okay, here is Garrus completely losing it on TV.

youtu.be/6QLhoXkmgAk

Wow thats freaky least he not but ugly thats why I hate seeing VA's cause you have an image of the character in your mind and then you see the VA and it's like .......WHY!!!

Edit: It's a Zombie a FRICKEN Zombie!

Modifié par Rosewind, 05 mai 2012 - 01:50 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I can understand the discontent people have with the new default Shepard. But that's what the sliders in character creation are for!

I know that silly

But you cant ignore promotional art

I think I'm the only one who liked the default femshep. She has a certain... shall I say, roughness which I likey. The promotional femshep looked like a barbie doll :/

EDIT: stoopid quote

Modifié par pirate1802, 05 mai 2012 - 01:53 .

[Rosewind]

pirate1802 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I can understand the discontent people have with the new default Shepard. But that's what the sliders in character creation are for!

I know that silly

But you cant ignore promotional art

I think I'm the only one who liked the default femshep :s

New or old?

[DirtyPhoenix]

Rosewind wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I can understand the discontent people have with the new default Shepard. But that's what the sliders in character creation are for!

I know that silly

But you cant ignore promotional art

I think I'm the only one who liked the default femshep :s

New or old?

New. Though I liked the old aswell.

[Rosewind]

pirate1802 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I can understand the discontent people have with the new default Shepard. But that's what the sliders in character creation are for!

I know that silly

But you cant ignore promotional art

I think I'm the only one who liked the default femshep :s

New or old?

New. Though I liked the old aswell.

Think you missed what he was quoting me to begin with I said I hated the new in game shep hated her art as well but she 10 times worse in game. But I liked the original default from ME 1 and 2. New default Femshep in game looks like a squirrel.

[Stigweird85]

pirate1802 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I can understand the discontent people have with the new default Shepard. But that's what the sliders in character creation are for!

I know that silly

But you cant ignore promotional art

I think I'm the only one who liked the default femshep :s

New or old?

New. Though I liked the old aswell.

I liked the new but it seemed kinda pointless to introduce a new default femshep for 3, although I do appreciate being able to edit my import shep. I don't think you could do this in ME2(I may be wrong)

[DirtyPhoenix]

No you can't do that in ME2. Thats certainly a plus.

[DJBare]

XwebraiderX wrote...

I've come to realize that they can do what they want - if they stick with the Starbrat and the stupid idea to introduce him 2 minutes before the game is over the ending is ruined for me, no matter how much explanations they add. It just remains bad.

The only way for me to get a new point of view on this is if they would implement the IT. Note that I dont like the IT because the fans had to come up with it, there is no way BW had this brilliant idea. But if they would give it a try thats the only way I could change my mind about the ending in a major way because it would be a whole different story.

From the Final Hours app

Modifié par DJBare, 05 mai 2012 - 02:02 .

[robdunnhill]

DJBare wrote...

XwebraiderX wrote...

I've come to realize that they can do what they want - if they stick with the Starbrat and the stupid idea to introduce him 2 minutes before the game is over the ending is ruined for me, no matter how much explanations they add. It just remains bad.

The only way for me to get a new point of view on this is if they would implement the IT. Note that I dont like the IT because the fans had to come up with it, there is no way BW had this brilliant idea. But if they would give it a try thats the only way I could change my mind about the ending in a major way because it would be a whole different story.

From the Final Hours app

nice, I wish EA would hurry up and comment if the indoc thoery will happen