I addressed this several dozens of pages back, but your images make it much easier to convey the point. Nice job
Okay, no problem! I thought someone might have pointed it out, but I read some people going back and forth saying " 1M1 is on the citadel" and "no it's on the crucible", so I went looking to see where they really were and came to some realizations myself.
You should PM the OP with any valuable images or info so it can be added to the first page
Guys, please hear the very last part of this video:
The VI was giving away Prothean's intel on the Catalyst DIRECTLY TO SHEPARD, then simply said "Indoctrinated presence detected, activating security protocol"
I don't want to raise senseless hope, but it's pretty much telling, imo.
He is referring to Kai Leng
While I agree that its 99% likely he was referring to Kai Leng, Leng was there the whole time, since he's the one who killed the scientists. Its not like Kai Leng just made it to the temple at that moment.
Didn't the VI not note any reaper presence of Kai Leng after they used it? I'm assuming that function was removed by cerberus.
The VI states that the "Security protocols were removed by Cerberus" If Shepard is indoctrinated at that point, the VI wouldn't be able to tell them.
This is exactly what I suspected. This might be proof that the VI was referring to shepard as the "indoctrinated" then. {smilie}
The VI didn't have its protocols removed until it was on the Cerberus base...on Thessia it was still active...however I am still inclined to go with the idea that with it being old and with the info Vigil gaves us about the Prothean understanding of Indoctrination, that the VI is an unreliable source of information when it comes to detecting Indoctrination.
Also I would add...how could a VI know anyway? The only concept I could think of for it to be able to know is that it can scan the Reapers attempts at indoctrination by the infrasonic emissions they put out...but even then the individuals don't put that out...the reapers themselves do...so was it just detecting the Reapers on the planet as they were emitting the infrasonic radiation while detroying it? Seems likely to me...
The more I read this thread, the more plausible it seems. Either that or Bioware got really lazy and was like "Hey, let's throw a whole bunch of random effects and graphics that are out of context and use them here."
Looks like they're refering more to future Mass Effect games, which there will be, not some DLC or patch to give us the real ending.
How would you figure that from "things on the horizon"?
The asker wasn't refering to the ending or the Mass Effect game itself, just what was going on for the series in generally. They were both pretty vague. I'm playing devil's advocate.
The indoctrination theory is perfect and I think the players may have bested BioWare. I mean, the writers create a terrible ending to Mass Effect 3 that gets a huge backlash. They are scrambling at EA trying to save the stock from falling and are on the phone with Bioware screaming to do something to placate the players. Bioware sees this theory about indoctrination and scoops it up. I mean, it is brilliant. The players solve Bioware's problem ending and hopefully stop EA's stock drop at the same time.
Yes, I am jaded and cynical but if it gets me my better ending, then I will take it. You all (the players in this thread) do good work.
i agree that alot of credit should go to some people here for discovering this theory but if it is indeed true it was planned by bioware all along. The players didnt make all the clues that have made alot of us believe this more than all of the other silly theories on this forum that have been dismissed.
Got this message from another user named timiriel:
hi i can't post this on the forums, i don't know why... anyway...
i sent this to a user from this thread it might be helpfull
1M1 - i think that's a more inconspicuous way of writing this 1*(M^(-1))
the formula is used in optics, it actually stands for inverse of focal length, or dioptry, or convergence...
In Logic, convergence is also the notion that a sequence of transformations come to the same conclusion, no matter what order they are performed in...
maybe it's too far fetched, i don't know sadly, it fits to well with the "multiple" endings
It isn't too far fetched, in fact it came up somewhere around 100 pages ago. Multiple people coming to the same conclusions independantly always helps whilst building a theory
I addressed this several dozens of pages back, but your images make it much easier to convey the point. Nice job
Okay, no problem! I thought someone might have pointed it out, but I read some people going back and forth saying " 1M1 is on the citadel" and "no it's on the crucible", so I went looking to see where they really were and came to some realizations myself.
You should PM the OP with any valuable images or info so it can be added to the first page
Guys, please hear the very last part of this video:
The VI was giving away Prothean's intel on the Catalyst DIRECTLY TO SHEPARD, then simply said "Indoctrinated presence detected, activating security protocol"
I don't want to raise senseless hope, but it's pretty much telling, imo.
He is referring to Kai Leng
While I agree that its 99% likely he was referring to Kai Leng, Leng was there the whole time, since he's the one who killed the scientists. Its not like Kai Leng just made it to the temple at that moment.
Didn't the VI not note any reaper presence of Kai Leng after they used it? I'm assuming that function was removed by cerberus.
The VI states that the "Security protocols were removed by Cerberus" If Shepard is indoctrinated at that point, the VI wouldn't be able to tell them.
This is exactly what I suspected. This might be proof that the VI was referring to shepard as the "indoctrinated" then. {smilie}
The VI didn't have its protocols removed until it was on the Cerberus base...on Thessia it was still active...however I am still inclined to go with the idea that with it being old and with the info Vigil gaves us about the Prothean understanding of Indoctrination, that the VI is an unreliable source of information when it comes to detecting Indoctrination.
Also I would add...how could a VI know anyway? The only concept I could think of for it to be able to know is that it can scan the Reapers attempts at indoctrination by the infrasonic emissions they put out...but even then the individuals don't put that out...the reapers themselves do...so was it just detecting the Reapers on the planet as they were emitting the infrasonic radiation while detroying it? Seems likely to me...
I wasn't really sold on Shepard being already indoctrinated (or having significantly started the process of becoming) prior to these posts.
I'm still not certain, but this provides the best argument I have seen thus far.
Some other ideas: Shepard is knocked out and near death after Reaper blast. Everything from then on is Shepard imagining continuing her mission. All the weird imagery mentioned by @akamikeb fits this, like he said. She has two big influences (Anderson and TIM) there trying to sway her morality and she has to make choices. She makes it and collapses and is raised upwards on a brilliantly white platform (no platform works like that anywhere in the universe, there is no tech like that!) maybe Shepard is getting closer to death and this is symbolic of that. The Catalyst then appears and it's the little boy that Shepard has dreamed about several times (how or why it could possibly choose this form is beyond me, outside Shepard subconsciously choosing it). Shepard then has to make her moral choice. Since Shepard dies no matter what if you choose Control/Synthesis then perhaps Shepard's body physically gives up after these, and after imagining how it might effect his/her friends/universe (reflected in weird Normandy scene).
But choosing destroy gives Shepard hope and he/she holds on. Gameplay-wise, for Shepard to live you need to choose both 'destroy' AND have a very high EMS. Perhaps choosing 'destroy' allows Shepard to hold on and a high EMS means the Alliance has the numbers to reach him. The other options being Shepard gave up (EMS doesn't matter), or Shepard didn't give up and chose 'destroy' but EMS too low to save him/her. Either of those options means Shepard dies.
I think this is compelling. It fits the weird imagery post-Reaper blast and explains why the Destroy + high EMS combo is needed. From here on you can speculate what actually happened, maybe there will be DLC where we find out. Or you can imagine that Anderson, your team or someone else got through, opened the arms and the Catalyst destroyed the reapers. Or the mission failed. If there is no DLC, then this theory would allow for people to interpret any ending that pleases them. Unlike what we originally thought.
If this theory actually turns out to be true, it may be the most ingenious thing that Bioware has ever done....to quote a teammate..."Heavy risk....but the priiiiize."
But if you need to choose to "Destroy" to , let's say, continue Shepard's story, isn't that kind of a douche move with Renegade players, or the people who chose Synthesis?
I apologize if someone mentioned this since I last read the thread, but just one other thing to add if the Hallucination theory is correct.
It would make the various dream sequences through out the game "fit" in much more, for lack of a better word. As it stands now, if the end wasn't a hallucination, they were simply there to express what Shepard was going through. But this could have easily been done via a cutscene, it did not have to be actual gameplay. As such, maybe the point was to help you connect how you are moving around at the end to how you moved around in the dreams, suggesting in both instances Shepard is dreaming/hallucinating.
Might be a stretch, but just something that came to mind.
But if you need to choose to "Destroy" to , let's say, continue Shepard's story, isn't that kind of a douche move with Renegade players, or the people who chose Synthesis?
If it is really a hallucination, you dying would be the same as Shepard dreaming he and the kid are burning in flames
so captain anderson and the illusive man are still alive. seems really stupid.
Maybe not. TIM might be, but Anderson might have died (wasn't he running down the hill with you?).
Anyway, as I've said before, I don't play that many PC games (only one I pop in is Civ V) so excuse this question if stupid, but I've heard that the required install size for ME3 is missing literal gigs to what you actual put on your drive. This has led aome evidence to the "it was on the disc the whole time to be unlocked later" theory.
But, I guess my question is: is this common at all. What I mean is this, is it common for games to be Gigs smaller in size than the required install size?
Guys, please hear the very last part of this video:
The VI was giving away Prothean's intel on the Catalyst DIRECTLY TO SHEPARD, then simply said "Indoctrinated presence detected, activating security protocol"
I don't want to raise senseless hope, but it's pretty much telling, imo.
He is referring to Kai Leng
While I agree that its 99% likely he was referring to Kai Leng, Leng was there the whole time, since he's the one who killed the scientists. Its not like Kai Leng just made it to the temple at that moment.
Didn't the VI not note any reaper presence of Kai Leng after they used it? I'm assuming that function was removed by cerberus.
The VI states that the "Security protocols were removed by Cerberus" If Shepard is indoctrinated at that point, the VI wouldn't be able to tell them.
This is exactly what I suspected. This might be proof that the VI was referring to shepard as the "indoctrinated" then. {smilie}
The VI didn't have its protocols removed until it was on the Cerberus base...on Thessia it was still active...however I am still inclined to go with the idea that with it being old and with the info Vigil gaves us about the Prothean understanding of Indoctrination, that the VI is an unreliable source of information when it comes to detecting Indoctrination.
Also I would add...how could a VI know anyway? The only concept I could think of for it to be able to know is that it can scan the Reapers attempts at indoctrination by the infrasonic emissions they put out...but even then the individuals don't put that out...the reapers themselves do...so was it just detecting the Reapers on the planet as they were emitting the infrasonic radiation while detroying it? Seems likely to me...
I wasn't really sold on Shepard being already indoctrinated (or having significantly started the process of becoming) prior to these posts.
I'm still not certain, but this provides the best argument I have seen thus far.
I need to think.
It's a long shot, but also remember that Liara said that the VI thinks you're Prothean when you first encounter it on Thessia. Obviously I have no proof with canon dialouge but it could be that since the VI sees you as Prothean the security protocols are overridden. I don't know, just throwing stuff around.
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