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[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

What some folk appear to miss, Bioware were in the best position to indoctrinate it's fan base and reading these forum's they still are in a good position, before the broken promises most of us took what Bioware stated at face value, even now the pro-enders themselves prefer to go with Bioware's take on things almost without question, the irony is that's how indoctrination works, you stop questioning and just accept.

So, assuming Bioware's goal has indeed been to indoctrinate us, the players, showing more squadmates exiting the Normandy would strengthen our belief in the ending. That's because, even with a sudden story leap from your squadmates beside you to: them on the Normandy, them ALL being there is more conclusive than only one of the two being there. But then, they should've placed it in a more visible way.
One only sees the hidden squadmate when in speculation-mode studies the ending more carefully and in a possible EC scenario where, for clarification, we're pointed towards him/her.

On the other hand, putting only one squadmate there for the 'Destroy'ers makes the them even more suspicious towards the ending.

So, those who got indoctrinated remain in their belief and have less reason to doubt it, those who stayed strong and focused on their initial goal and broke free have more evidence on their hand.

Clever girl, Bioware!

Why only one for "'Destroy'ers"? There are clearly 2 oO

[Rosewind]

blooregard wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

blooregard wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

You people just don't get it. The entire galaxy was turned into the reaper's farm a long long time ago. They stashed their tech every where. Everyone uses it every day. The relays, the citadel, it's all reaper tech. Everyone is indoctrinated. The entire simplistic paragon/renegade morality system is reaper indoctrination. Everyone is set up to travel along the paths that the reapers choose, whether they know it, like it, or not.

Try disproving that!

What exactly are we meant to be disproving in your argument?

Ha!  You're stumped!  Don't know where to begin!

The Reapers are smart to say the least they leave behind a few devices for people to find so they get indoctrinated studying such an interesting artifact. The citadel and mass relays don't indoctrinate they were designed to be found by organic races which then believe they were left behind by the race that came before them.
Assuming the Reapers get their sentience from the intelligence of the processed organics if the citadel and the mass relays were to indoctrinate by the time the Reapers invaded everyone would be a brain dead meat puppet meaning that the Reapers would probably be no smarter than an advanced VI.
tl;dr if the citadel and mass relays indoctrinated we'd know it.

You are thinking of gross, obvious, indoctrination, not the suble well placed, well timed, kind. 

And, they didn't leave behind a few peices.  They leave behind a lot of tech.  The fact that it is light years ahead of anything anybody has by the time they find it means that people spend time researching ways to use it and interface with it, extend onto it, than ways to replace it.  Then, the reapers turn it off and everybody is left behind.

Umm okay we know this, so are you for or against the theory? Cause you not stating anything for or against it at all just telling us stuff we already know.

Me or the other guy?
I'm pro IT, anti zealot. I think and hope IT is correct but kinda wish both sides of the spectrum would stop trying to murder people with the opinion riddled tweets or twisting things to fit the IT. Sure there are some things that may need a little shaping to fit with the IT but it usually makes sense. That thing with Thane's dying prayer is foolish and desperate IMO.

The guy I quoted originally

[IronSabbath88]

I love the fact that BioWare could've made this a huge social experiment on the effects of indoctrination aswell as in the game itself.

[blooregard]

I lol'd at bioware's re-imagining of LotR

[nicethugbert]

Rosewind wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

blooregard wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

You people just don't get it. The entire galaxy was turned into the reaper's farm a long long time ago. They stashed their tech every where. Everyone uses it every day. The relays, the citadel, it's all reaper tech. Everyone is indoctrinated. The entire simplistic paragon/renegade morality system is reaper indoctrination. Everyone is set up to travel along the paths that the reapers choose, whether they know it, like it, or not.

Try disproving that!

What exactly are we meant to be disproving in your argument?

Ha!  You're stumped!  Don't know where to begin!

The Reapers are smart to say the least they leave behind a few devices for people to find so they get indoctrinated studying such an interesting artifact. The citadel and mass relays don't indoctrinate they were designed to be found by organic races which then believe they were left behind by the race that came before them.
Assuming the Reapers get their sentience from the intelligence of the processed organics if the citadel and the mass relays were to indoctrinate by the time the Reapers invaded everyone would be a brain dead meat puppet meaning that the Reapers would probably be no smarter than an advanced VI.
tl;dr if the citadel and mass relays indoctrinated we'd know it.

You are thinking of gross, obvious, indoctrination, not the suble well placed, well timed, kind. 

And, they didn't leave behind a few peices.  They leave behind a lot of tech.  The fact that it is light years ahead of anything anybody has by the time they find it means that people spend time researching ways to use it and interface with it, extend onto it, than ways to replace it.  Then, the reapers turn it off and everybody is left behind.

Umm okay we know this, so are you for or against the theory? Cause you not stating anything for or against it at all just telling us stuff we already know.

Don't the facts speak for themselves?

[paxxton]

RELEASING CONTROL OF THIS FORUM.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 mai 2012 - 04:27 .

[Rosewind]

nicethugbert wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

blooregard wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

You people just don't get it. The entire galaxy was turned into the reaper's farm a long long time ago. They stashed their tech every where. Everyone uses it every day. The relays, the citadel, it's all reaper tech. Everyone is indoctrinated. The entire simplistic paragon/renegade morality system is reaper indoctrination. Everyone is set up to travel along the paths that the reapers choose, whether they know it, like it, or not.

Try disproving that!

What exactly are we meant to be disproving in your argument?

Ha!  You're stumped!  Don't know where to begin!

The Reapers are smart to say the least they leave behind a few devices for people to find so they get indoctrinated studying such an interesting artifact. The citadel and mass relays don't indoctrinate they were designed to be found by organic races which then believe they were left behind by the race that came before them.
Assuming the Reapers get their sentience from the intelligence of the processed organics if the citadel and the mass relays were to indoctrinate by the time the Reapers invaded everyone would be a brain dead meat puppet meaning that the Reapers would probably be no smarter than an advanced VI.
tl;dr if the citadel and mass relays indoctrinated we'd know it.

You are thinking of gross, obvious, indoctrination, not the suble well placed, well timed, kind. 

And, they didn't leave behind a few peices.  They leave behind a lot of tech.  The fact that it is light years ahead of anything anybody has by the time they find it means that people spend time researching ways to use it and interface with it, extend onto it, than ways to replace it.  Then, the reapers turn it off and everybody is left behind.

Umm okay we know this, so are you for or against the theory? Cause you not stating anything for or against it at all just telling us stuff we already know.

Don't the facts speak for themselves?

EH what facts? Telling us that all reaper items indoctrinate isn't anything new. So I am just going to ignore you.

[Big Bad]

My god...the silence, it's...maddening!

[balance5050]

I'm here! Just waiting for something interesting to pop up, if it doesn't soon I'm gonna play witcher 2 though.

[Rosewind]

Big Bad wrote...

My god...the silence, it's...maddening!

Shhhh.... we're hunting wabbits

[Epantiras]

Today I replayed the ending and chose Destroy, just in case.

I DID notice the tree reflections in the Catalist chamber... very very subtle though, I noticed it only because I knew of the cube maps someone posted earlier. I doubt anyone can notice them without knowing of their existance... at least not on their first playthrough.

Also, I think I heard a music change while approaching the Control platform, a more "relaxing" tune as some mentioned... however it would be better if someone actually extracted the sound files from the games to check them.

Anyway, I remember this:




This is the concept art of a corridor leading to the Illusive Man's chamber, according to the artbook. This has been changed, since that corridor in game is completely different. The presence of Shep and Anderson in this scene may or may not mean anything, since the concept artist often added characters to environmental concept art just to show the room's size.

IF the areas Shep sees in the Citadel are created from his memories (like that part that suspiciously looks like the Shadow Broker base);

IF this is the corridor leading to the Illusive Man's office was meant to look like

this could be a proof that the Citadel is really built using Shep's memories.

SPECULATIONS

[Acid Mars]

I don't understand everyone's confusion with the endings.

Kill the reapers... shepard wakes up in the wreckage... game over.

Where does that become confusing? It's a very straightforward ending.

Earth is saved... hurray!!! Shepard lives to tell about it... Hurray again!!!

Just enjoy it the way it is.

[Acid Mars]

I don't understand everyone's confusion with the endings.

Kill the reapers... shepard wakes up in the wreckage... game over.

Where does that become confusing? It's a very straightforward ending.

Earth is saved... hurray!!! Shepard lives to tell about it... Hurray again!!!

Just enjoy it the way it is.

[Ch1m3Ra]

New Mass Effect 3 Gamer Poop is out! Laugh your heart out, because this epicsode is all about romance.

[Ch1m3Ra]

Acid Mars wrote...

I don't understand everyone's confusion with the endings.

Kill the reapers... shepard wakes up in the wreckage... game over.

Where does that become confusing? It's a very straightforward ending.

Earth is saved... hurray!!! Shepard lives to tell about it... Hurray again!!!

Just enjoy it the way it is.

Andddd you are obviously not a true fan of the series, nor a serious one. Or perhaps you just started with Mass Effect 3.

[Rosewind]

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

New Mass Effect 3 Gamer Poop is out! Laugh your heart out, because this epicsode is all about romance.

HAHAHA this is the best yet i reckon!!

[Big Bad]

Acid Mars wrote...

I don't understand everyone's confusion with the endings.

Kill the reapers... shepard wakes up in the wreckage... game over.

Where does that become confusing? It's a very straightforward ending.

Earth is saved... hurray!!! Shepard lives to tell about it... Hurray again!!!

Just enjoy it the way it is.

He wakes up in the wreckage of...what?  Ground zero of a thermonuclear-sized explosion in space?

Beyond that, there are many, many, many reasons not to enjoy the ending if taken at face value.  Do you think this huge controversy about the ending would have errupted in the first place if most fans had found the end enjoyable?

[Big Bad]

Rosewind wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

New Mass Effect 3 Gamer Poop is out! Laugh your heart out, because this epicsode is all about romance.

HAHAHA this is the best yet i reckon!!

LOL.  How did they make this?

[balance5050]

LOL at n00bs.

[TheMachdude]

 Hey guys, check out this in depth survey put out by the ME Universe website. (it's in english) Hopefully BW will listen to it...

[blooregard]

Big Bad wrote...

Acid Mars wrote...

I don't understand everyone's confusion with the endings.

Kill the reapers... shepard wakes up in the wreckage... game over.

Where does that become confusing? It's a very straightforward ending.

Earth is saved... hurray!!! Shepard lives to tell about it... Hurray again!!!

Just enjoy it the way it is.

He wakes up in the wreckage of...what?  Ground zero of a thermonuclear-sized explosion in space?

Beyond that, there are many, many, many reasons not to enjoy the ending if taken at face value.  Do you think this huge controversy about the ending would have errupted in the first place if most fans had found the end enjoyable?

My favorite part about the endings was:

"Commander Shepard has managed to **** over the galaxy in some fashion. You can do more stuff before the galaxy is ****ed by giving us more money."

In all seriousness though...I can live with the whole "don't ask questions it makes sense on a meta physical level" but that message alone ruined the already bad ending.

[Rosewind]

Big Bad wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

New Mass Effect 3 Gamer Poop is out! Laugh your heart out, because this epicsode is all about romance.

HAHAHA this is the best yet i reckon!!

LOL.  How did they make this?

Gamer poop are the best I reckon, mad editing skills honestly

[Ch1m3Ra]

Rosewind wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

New Mass Effect 3 Gamer Poop is out! Laugh your heart out, because this epicsode is all about romance.

HAHAHA this is the best yet i reckon!!

LOL.  How did they make this?

Gamer poop are the best I reckon, mad editing skills honestly

Oh, thats nasty...

[MegumiAzusa]

Epantiras wrote...

Today I replayed the ending and chose Destroy, just in case.

I DID notice the tree reflections in the Catalist chamber... very very subtle though, I noticed it only because I knew of the cube maps someone posted earlier. I doubt anyone can notice them without knowing of their existance... at least not on their first playthrough.

You notice them on a subconscious level, take someone deprived of sleep, let him play the ending once and next day ask him how the final room looked like. You have a good chance he will mention trees.

Epantiras wrote...

Anyway, I remember this:




This is the concept art of a corridor leading to the Illusive Man's chamber, according to the artbook. This has been changed, since that corridor in game is completely different. The presence of Shep and Anderson in this scene may or may not mean anything, since the concept artist often added characters to environmental concept art just to show the room's size.

IF the areas Shep sees in the Citadel are created from his memories (like that part that suspiciously looks like the Shadow Broker base);

IF this is the corridor leading to the Illusive Man's office was meant to look like

this could be a proof that the Citadel is really built using Shep's memories.

SPECULATIONS

It was clearly meant to be the Citadel corridors, there are Cerberus Troops and Husks all over the place, nothing Shep and Anderson could have accomplished with their weapons. Also there would be no need to add characters for the size as there are many of them already scattered around the hallway.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 05 mai 2012 - 06:02 .

[blooregard]

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

New Mass Effect 3 Gamer Poop is out! Laugh your heart out, because this epicsode is all about romance.

HAHAHA this is the best yet i reckon!!

LOL.  How did they make this?

Gamer poop are the best I reckon, mad editing skills honestly

Oh, thats nasty...

"I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my rectum":lol: