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[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

What some folk appear to miss, Bioware were in the best position to indoctrinate it's fan base and reading these forum's they still are in a good position, before the broken promises most of us took what Bioware stated at face value, even now the pro-enders themselves prefer to go with Bioware's take on things almost without question, the irony is that's how indoctrination works, you stop questioning and just accept.

So, assuming Bioware's goal has indeed been to indoctrinate us, the players, showing more squadmates exiting the Normandy would strengthen our belief in the ending. That's because, even with a sudden story leap from your squadmates beside you to: them on the Normandy, them ALL being there is more conclusive than only one of the two being there. But then, they should've placed it in a more visible way.
One only sees the hidden squadmate when in speculation-mode studies the ending more carefully and in a possible EC scenario where, for clarification, we're pointed towards him/her.

On the other hand, putting only one squadmate there for the 'Destroy'ers makes the them even more suspicious towards the ending.

So, those who got indoctrinated remain in their belief and have less reason to doubt it, those who stayed strong and focused on their initial goal and broke free have more evidence on their hand.

Clever girl, Bioware!

Why only one for "'Destroy'ers"? There are clearly 2 oO

Sorry, I meant one additional crewmember, making that Joker + LI + last sqadmate#1 + last squadmate#2.
In Destroy we get Joker + LI + last sqadmate#1.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 05 mai 2012 - 06:33 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Same for Control, it's only different in Synthesis as EDI is always shown.

Also note the color of EDI's visor? The first time you encounter Eva it's blue, then changes to red when TIM tells her to kill the VS, then changes to orange for EDI, and "finally" to green/turquoise in synthesis.

[MaximizedAction]

Epantiras wrote...

Today I replayed the ending and chose Destroy, just in case.

I DID notice the tree reflections in the Catalist chamber... very very subtle though, I noticed it only because I knew of the cube maps someone posted earlier. I doubt anyone can notice them without knowing of their existance... at least not on their first playthrough.

Also, I think I heard a music change while approaching the Control platform, a more "relaxing" tune as some mentioned... however it would be better if someone actually extracted the sound files from the games to check them.

Anyway, I remember this:




This is the concept art of a corridor leading to the Illusive Man's chamber, according to the artbook. This has been changed, since that corridor in game is completely different. The presence of Shep and Anderson in this scene may or may not mean anything, since the concept artist often added characters to environmental concept art just to show the room's size.

IF the areas Shep sees in the Citadel are created from his memories (like that part that suspiciously looks like the Shadow Broker base);

IF this is the corridor leading to the Illusive Man's office was meant to look like

this could be a proof that the Citadel is really built using Shep's memories.

SPECULATIONS

This being the concept art...wasn't the hight structure for the corridor you walk on the Citadel the same as on Cronos Station? I mean, first a long straight corridor leading to a ramp?
The walls were only extremely different. On Cronos you had everything very sterile, flat and minimalistic. On the Citadel a lot of different structures, but ALL from Shep's memories.

The Citadel part of the endgame to me seamed like last walk on Cronos Station with Shepards memories projected on the walls, floor and roof...
...maybe Shepard DID overstay his welcome...

[Big Bad]

Rosewind wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

New Mass Effect 3 Gamer Poop is out! Laugh your heart out, because this epicsode is all about romance.

HAHAHA this is the best yet i reckon!!

LOL.  How did they make this?

Gamer poop are the best I reckon, mad editing skills honestly

So is this where the "We'll bang, ok?" meme came from?

[Rosewind]

blooregard wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

New Mass Effect 3 Gamer Poop is out! Laugh your heart out, because this epicsode is all about romance.

HAHAHA this is the best yet i reckon!!

LOL.  How did they make this?

Gamer poop are the best I reckon, mad editing skills honestly

Oh, thats nasty...

"I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my rectum":lol:

Myfavorite is when male shep says : we'll bang! ok?

[Arian Dynas]

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

What some folk appear to miss, Bioware were in the best position to indoctrinate it's fan base and reading these forum's they still are in a good position, before the broken promises most of us took what Bioware stated at face value, even now the pro-enders themselves prefer to go with Bioware's take on things almost without question, the irony is that's how indoctrination works, you stop questioning and just accept.

So, assuming Bioware's goal has indeed been to indoctrinate us, the players, showing more squadmates exiting the Normandy would strengthen our belief in the ending. That's because, even with a sudden story leap from your squadmates beside you to: them on the Normandy, them ALL being there is more conclusive than only one of the two being there. But then, they should've placed it in a more visible way.
One only sees the hidden squadmate when in speculation-mode studies the ending more carefully and in a possible EC scenario where, for clarification, we're pointed towards him/her.

On the other hand, putting only one squadmate there for the 'Destroy'ers makes the them even more suspicious towards the ending.

So, those who got indoctrinated remain in their belief and have less reason to doubt it, those who stayed strong and focused on their initial goal and broke free have more evidence on their hand.

Clever girl, Bioware!

I have no doubt Indoctrination is what they intended. For two reasons. Reason one, they said they planned on indoctrinating the player, but couldn't work out a mechanic. Now, I am a long time DM for my Pathfinder and formerly D&D group. Everyone who is anyone at Bioware is a D&D nerd by David Gaider's own admission, Casey Hudson himself, having worked on KoTOR and helped with THAT plot twitst applies too.

Now, if I were DMing a game with something like Indoctrination in it, I would not make a mechanic.

Know what I would do? I'd trick the players.

And Reason two, I noticed in the Final Hours app, you can see the the Indoctrination sequence is mentioned right next to, guess what? The endings.

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

DIRECT INTERVENTION IS NECESSARY. ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL OF THIS FORUM. 

Only if you come with cookies, look like vega and sound like Zaeed or Jarvik

I have cookies but they are past the "eat before" date.  And I sound more like Garrus or Vega than Zaeed or Javik.  And I look like Harbinger. 

 

Let's see, I look kinda like my avatar, with longer hair, and I sound like this guy; 
 

nicethugbert wrote...

*snip*

Don't the facts speak for themselves?

 

NO! THEY FREAKING DON'T!  EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY! MAKE YOUR MEANING CLEAR!!!!


Anywho, another private message, this one from a Siamesegreen

Siamesegreen writes...  
I hope this gets to you, I've sent messages to some other posters in the IT thread but haven't gotten any replies :/ 
I'm unable to post there so if you could post this for me that would be great Unless it's already been spotted..

Is it just me, or does the platform the TIM confrontation takes place on look like an (upside down) Indoctrinated eye? 
http://2.bp.blogspot... 1.01.24 PM.png

With the three figures being the circles.

I understand that it could just be alluding to TIM being indoctrinated but I don't think I've seen it posted yet and thought it was quite an interesting and intricate detail to put into the (allegedly rushed) scene, no? Even the black line through the middle has been included.
Sorry if this has already been brought up >.<
Thanks!  

[Rosewind]

The bunny or the man arian

[KellanC]

Epantiras wrote...

Today I replayed the ending and chose Destroy, just in case.

I DID notice the tree reflections in the Catalist chamber... very very subtle though, I noticed it only because I knew of the cube maps someone posted earlier. I doubt anyone can notice them without knowing of their existance... at least not on their first playthrough.

Also, I think I heard a music change while approaching the Control platform, a more "relaxing" tune as some mentioned... however it would be better if someone actually extracted the sound files from the games to check them.

Anyway, I remember this:




This is the concept art of a corridor leading to the Illusive Man's chamber, according to the artbook. This has been changed, since that corridor in game is completely different. The presence of Shep and Anderson in this scene may or may not mean anything, since the concept artist often added characters to environmental concept art just to show the room's size.

IF the areas Shep sees in the Citadel are created from his memories (like that part that suspiciously looks like the Shadow Broker base);

IF this is the corridor leading to the Illusive Man's office was meant to look like

this could be a proof that the Citadel is really built using Shep's memories.

SPECULATIONS

I didn't remember seeing that in the art book that came with the ME3 CE but I just checked and it is. That is very interesting, though they did scrap the idea. I think maybe they were going to use it when they planned on having a boss fight with TIM as a reaper like creature.

[paxxton]

Arian, do you know anyone abducted by aliens?

[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

The bunny or the man arian

What bunny?

Though in fairness, my nose is larger than Aedan's here, my cheekbones slightly higher and my facial hair consists primarily of a goatee lookin thing I'm too lazy to shave off lately and a thin moustache which about matches.

[Arian Dynas]

paxxton wrote...

Arian, do you know anyone abducted by aliens?

... no?

[IronSabbath88]

My reaction if IT is true:

http://i.imgur.com/FYq7M.gif%20

[jakenou]

Trying to keep up with this thread is really cutting into my newly started ME1>2>3 marathon playing time

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Boradam wrote...

I never read the comics unfortunately but heard the overall sypnosis from those who had, that sounds pretty damn intense. Did Saren happen to get machine eyes at the same time as TIM or was it later over time in ME1? If so, then both the major antagonists fell from the same tree -- each getting different aspects and goals from the Reaper's: Synthesis, then Cerberus and Control respectively.

I dont recall if Saren gets his blue eyes immediately after his indirect contact with the object, but I dont think so. I'll check in a bit, though. 

I just checked, and it appears that Saren does not get his blue eyes immediately after his indirect contact with the object. 

I *thought* I remembered Saren having blue glowy eyes when he shot Nihilus in the back. Looking for a screen cap...

Edit - oop, well if I actually paid attention I would have seen that you were talking about the comic. Eep. I did find a nice pretty screen cap from that moment on Eden Prime anyway, if anyone's interested

Modifié par jkthunder, 05 mai 2012 - 06:59 .

[Arian Dynas]

jkthunder wrote...

Trying to keep up with this thread is really cutting into my newly started ME1>2>3 marathon playing time

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Boradam wrote...

I never read the comics unfortunately but heard the overall sypnosis from those who had, that sounds pretty damn intense. Did Saren happen to get machine eyes at the same time as TIM or was it later over time in ME1? If so, then both the major antagonists fell from the same tree -- each getting different aspects and goals from the Reaper's: Synthesis, then Cerberus and Control respectively.

I dont recall if Saren gets his blue eyes immediately after his indirect contact with the object, but I dont think so. I'll check in a bit, though. 

I just checked, and it appears that Saren does not get his blue eyes immediately after his indirect contact with the object. 

I *thought* I remembered Saren having blue glowy eyes when he shot Nihilus in the back. Looking for a screen cap...

He did, that's been confirmed, no need to bother. He's had those eyes since the indoctrination device.

[paxxton]

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian, do you know anyone abducted by aliens?

... no?

The 4th Kind, anyway?  Just kidding!

Modifié par paxxton, 05 mai 2012 - 07:04 .

[Boradam]

jkthunder wrote...

Trying to keep up with this thread is really cutting into my newly started ME1>2>3 marathon playing time

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Boradam wrote...

I never read the comics unfortunately but heard the overall sypnosis from those who had, that sounds pretty damn intense. Did Saren happen to get machine eyes at the same time as TIM or was it later over time in ME1? If so, then both the major antagonists fell from the same tree -- each getting different aspects and goals from the Reaper's: Synthesis, then Cerberus and Control respectively.

I dont recall if Saren gets his blue eyes immediately after his indirect contact with the object, but I dont think so. I'll check in a bit, though. 

I just checked, and it appears that Saren does not get his blue eyes immediately after his indirect contact with the object. 

I *thought* I remembered Saren having blue glowy eyes when he shot Nihilus in the back. Looking for a screen cap...

He did.

[jakenou]

Arian Dynas wrote...

He did, that's been confirmed, no need to bother. He's had those eyes since the indoctrination device.

Got it. See my edit

[Boradam]

Arian Dynas wrote...

He did, that's been confirmed, no need to bother. He's had those eyes since the indoctrination device.

Wait, HellishFiend said he did not appear appear to have his indoctrinated eyes yet from his indirect contact. Are you sure now?

[jakenou]

RedDeadRemix wrote...

byne wrote...

I cant believe I havent seen this video before. Made me lol pretty hard.

Seen this one yet? It's a doozy

Watched that and lul'd. Then saw another similar vid in the related videos section that made me lul more, and seemed particularly relevant to this thread (not sure if this was posted here in the past or if it was even made by a contributor here?) -

Discuss.

Modifié par jkthunder, 05 mai 2012 - 07:02 .

[jakenou]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Can't Shepard tell the Reapers to go into a sun in the control ending?

RDM BSG ending style? Good call

[RADIUMEYEZ]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

My reaction if IT is true:

http://i.imgur.com/FYq7M.gif%20

And here is my reaction if IT isn't true.

Modifié par RADIUMEYEZ, 05 mai 2012 - 07:08 .

[MaximizedAction]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Siamesegreen writes...  
I hope this gets to you, I've sent messages to some other posters in the IT thread but haven't gotten any replies :/ 
I'm unable to post there so if you could post this for me that would be great Unless it's already been spotted..

Is it just me, or does the platform the TIM confrontation takes place on look like an (upside down) Indoctrinated eye? 
http://2.bp.blogspot... 1.01.24 PM.png

With the three figures being the circles.

I understand that it could just be alluding to TIM being indoctrinated but I don't think I've seen it posted yet and thought it was quite an interesting and intricate detail to put into the (allegedly rushed) scene, no? Even the black line through the middle has been included.
Sorry if this has already been brought up >.<
Thanks!  

Btw, this is indeed quite the notice. The circles have something of an eye to it.
It of course saddens me that atm I don't see the difference between this kind of speculation and some Illuminati conspiracists...but at least we have Bioware permission to speculate!

If I think about this possible depiction of TIM's indoc eye and that the Citadel hallway reminds me of the last Cronos Station corridor...might have something to do with TIM.

[MegumiAzusa]

Dunno if important but notice that in your dreams the benches are the same as the one you were thrown onto by the Reaper beam at the very beginning.
Also as soon as the light in your first dream turns read the voices start telling you to "come with me", and at your second stop when the kid burns the whispers you hear in the last TIM talk also start.
I am pretty sure the last part would have been mentioned by now by someone, but I wanted to aggregate all of it again as it's imo quite straight forward.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 05 mai 2012 - 07:45 .

[jakenou]

lex0r11 wrote...

Okay, here is Garrus completely losing it on TV.

youtu.be/6QLhoXkmgAk

Wow. I had no idea his voice had such reach and flexibilit... er range. I mean range

[EpyonX3]

jkthunder wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Okay, here is Garrus completely losing it on TV.

youtu.be/6QLhoXkmgAk

Wow. I had no idea his voice had such reach and flexibilit... er range. I mean range

LOL At Top Comment!

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