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[jakenou]

DJBare wrote...

XwebraiderX wrote...

I've come to realize that they can do what they want - if they stick with the Starbrat and the stupid idea to introduce him 2 minutes before the game is over the ending is ruined for me, no matter how much explanations they add. It just remains bad.

The only way for me to get a new point of view on this is if they would implement the IT. Note that I dont like the IT because the fans had to come up with it, there is no way BW had this brilliant idea. But if they would give it a try thats the only way I could change my mind about the ending in a major way because it would be a whole different story.

From the Final Hours app

This probably isn't quite legal to even ask, but does anyone know where to see the full contents of the Final Hours App? Apparently, as far as EA is considerned, I'm one of those rare individuals that does not have an iOS device.


Edit - Derp. Need to practice reading ahead before posting comments it seems. Now I see that it's available for PC. Whaddya guys think? Worth the 3 US bones?

Modifié par jkthunder, 05 mai 2012 - 07:49 .

[D.Sharrah]

OP...any thought on including thematic material for the game that would support IT?

I have thought since ME 2 that Saren and Sheprad were mirror of each other (or yin-yang if you will)...and that indoctrination in ME 3 would be a great way to strengthen that theme.

[EpyonX3]

jkthunder wrote...

DJBare wrote...

XwebraiderX wrote...

I've come to realize that they can do what they want - if they stick with the Starbrat and the stupid idea to introduce him 2 minutes before the game is over the ending is ruined for me, no matter how much explanations they add. It just remains bad.

The only way for me to get a new point of view on this is if they would implement the IT. Note that I dont like the IT because the fans had to come up with it, there is no way BW had this brilliant idea. But if they would give it a try thats the only way I could change my mind about the ending in a major way because it would be a whole different story.

From the Final Hours app

This probably isn't quite legal to even ask, but does anyone know where to see the full contents of the Final Hours App? Apparently, as far as EA is considerned, I'm one of those rare individuals that does not have an iOS device.


Edit - Derp. Need to practice reading ahead before posting comments it seems. Now I see that it's available for PC. Whaddya guys think? Worth the 3 US bones?

Instead of full reaper control, they had TIM do it instead. The final confrontation could have been Shepard fighting a reaper as he got to the control panel but then there wouldn't be much to it.

Still that would have been cooler and would have really made IT more plausible, since after that you wouldn't really be able to tell if the following sequences were real or not.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 05 mai 2012 - 07:52 .

[polor89]

jkthunder wrote...

DJBare wrote...

XwebraiderX wrote...

I've come to realize that they can do what they want - if they stick with the Starbrat and the stupid idea to introduce him 2 minutes before the game is over the ending is ruined for me, no matter how much explanations they add. It just remains bad.

The only way for me to get a new point of view on this is if they would implement the IT. Note that I dont like the IT because the fans had to come up with it, there is no way BW had this brilliant idea. But if they would give it a try thats the only way I could change my mind about the ending in a major way because it would be a whole different story.

From the Final Hours app

This probably isn't quite legal to even ask, but does anyone know where to see the full contents of the Final Hours App? Apparently, as far as EA is considerned, I'm one of those rare individuals that does not have an iOS device.

Downolad it for the PC if you want like i did go to piratebay and .... search....

[BatmanTurian]

blooregard wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

blooregard wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

You people just don't get it. The entire galaxy was turned into the reaper's farm a long long time ago. They stashed their tech every where. Everyone uses it every day. The relays, the citadel, it's all reaper tech. Everyone is indoctrinated. The entire simplistic paragon/renegade morality system is reaper indoctrination. Everyone is set up to travel along the paths that the reapers choose, whether they know it, like it, or not.

Try disproving that!

What exactly are we meant to be disproving in your argument?

Ha!  You're stumped!  Don't know where to begin!

The Reapers are smart to say the least they leave behind a few devices for people to find so they get indoctrinated studying such an interesting artifact. The citadel and mass relays don't indoctrinate they were designed to be found by organic races which then believe they were left behind by the race that came before them.
Assuming the Reapers get their sentience from the intelligence of the processed organics if the citadel and the mass relays were to indoctrinate by the time the Reapers invaded everyone would be a brain dead meat puppet meaning that the Reapers would probably be no smarter than an advanced VI.
tl;dr if the citadel and mass relays indoctrinated we'd know it.

You are thinking of gross, obvious, indoctrination, not the suble well placed, well timed, kind. 

And, they didn't leave behind a few peices.  They leave behind a lot of tech.  The fact that it is light years ahead of anything anybody has by the time they find it means that people spend time researching ways to use it and interface with it, extend onto it, than ways to replace it.  Then, the reapers turn it off and everybody is left behind.

Umm okay we know this, so are you for or against the theory? Cause you not stating anything for or against it at all just telling us stuff we already know.

Me or the other guy?
I'm pro IT, anti zealot. I think and hope IT is correct but kinda wish both sides of the spectrum would stop trying to murder people with the opinion riddled tweets or twisting things to fit the IT. Sure there are some things that may need a little shaping to fit with the IT but it usually makes sense. That thing with Thane's dying prayer is foolish and desperate IMO.

I want to make myself absolutely clear, since you seem to have misinterpreted me.

I was saying it had meaning, it was a closing of a story arc between Shapard and Thane. I did not mean it had anything to do with IT or the Reapers.

You say the conversation had no signifigance at all. All I was saying is that everything in a story is put there for some reason. You assumed I meant IT but I meant that it was to pull at our heartstrings and be meaningful closure to Thane's death.

Whether people liked him or not, hearing from his son or a doctor in an e-mail that Thane had died at the hospital on the Normandy would have been absolutely unacceptable. It was meaningful that the main character was there, therefore what he prayed to his goddess was meaningful to him and Shepard, whether you care for religion or not.

[EpyonX3]

D.Sharrah wrote...

OP...any thought on including thematic material for the game that would support IT?

I have thought since ME 2 that Saren and Sheprad were mirror of each other (or yin-yang if you will)...and that indoctrination in ME 3 would be a great way to strengthen that theme.

How would it strengthen it? One other reason I think IT might not be true is because for all three games, Shepard has never been indoctrinated or showed any reaper loving tendencies.

[MegumiAzusa]

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

How would it strengthen it? One other reason I think IT might not be true is because for all three games, Shepard has never been indoctrinated or showed any reaper loving tendencies.

Yknow, except for one ending where she literally becomes a Reaper, and another ending where she makes peace with the Reapers.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

Udina is looking out for his race more than any of the others combined. He literally tries to pull a coup so he can assume emergency powers and order the Citadel fleets to Earth.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

EpyonX3 wrote...

How would it strengthen it? One other reason I think IT might not be true is because for all three games, Shepard has never been indoctrinated or showed any reaper loving tendencies.

Maybe because the people who have been with him all along would be quick to call him out on it if Shepard started talking about peace with the Reapers, you know talk him out of it or at least think something is wrong?

The Reapers or their Indoctrinated servants are not stupid, that is why it is called Indoctrinated "sleeper" agents, no one knows they are Indoctrinated until they strike, sometimes the subject itself does not realize it is indoctrinated (Saren anyone?)

No I am not implying Shepard was Indoctrinated, in fact the entire IT is based around the fact that what we experince at the end is Shepards breaking point, the moment he goes between in the process of Indoctrination and Indoctrinated.

Even if Shepard became Indoctrinated he would not start to talk about peace with the Reapers (at least not while others were listening) because that would root him almost immedaitely, just like Saren wasent blabering on about peace with the Reapers during the council hearing.

No, he would continue beeing Shepard in everyones eyes with the small difference that his decisions would now work towards the Reapers, maybe not on the small level, but in the large scheme until the moment he could strike a decisive, crushing blow to the Allaince command crippling the war effort.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

How would it strengthen it? One other reason I think IT might not be true is because for all three games, Shepard has never been indoctrinated or showed any reaper loving tendencies.

Yknow, except for one ending where she literally becomes a Reaper, and another ending where she makes peace with the Reapers.

With those two exceptions of course. but when you have 98% of a game having a certain theme, that 2% doesn't hold much weight. If that 2% negates the percived 98% of the series' theme, then it was planned and executed poorly.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

Udina is looking out for his race more than any of the others combined. He literally tries to pull a coup so he can assume emergency powers and order the Citadel fleets to Earth.

Later, yes, but you can't tell when he started to see it that way. Going from pushing the Crucible project to pushing other interests seems like he wasn't as indoctrinated at first. And even if, the common element is still the Citadel.

[Simon_Says]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I can honestly say that the implication of TIM's speech/dialog/suicide not being real is my one regret about believing IT. It's one of the most powerful dialogs in the trilogy, IMO. I guess we can still consider it "real" in the fact that it happened in Shepard's head, but I thought it was a great way to wrap up TIM's character. Who knows though, maybe the EC would bring about an even better end for TIM.

Actually, I came back just to throw out an idea to be considered. What if Anderson and TIM were also in the same hallucination as Shepard? And I mean like the actual psyches all had a shared dream, Inception style. I never really bought that Anderson and TIM were 'parts/representations' of Shepard's psyche in that scene. There's no precedent for dreams acting that way in the games.

Why put them all in a dream? Because they were all presumably in the same vicinity, and the reapers could want all of them indoctrinated. Remember that TIM still doesn't view the reapers as allies/masters and that how he apparently ticked off the reapers on Sanctuary. There's still room to indoctrinate him.

I know it's weak, and it's borne from a fanboyish desire but, well, sue me. I think it could warrant analysis. And with that I bid you all good night.

Stay strong. Hold the line.

It's not a BAD thought, but I can poke one hole in this, there is a precedent, the Kid is entirely symbolic and allegorical.

It is certainly, but we've never seen the kid arguing with other symbolic projections. And the kid catching fire doesn't reflect on Shepard like whatever's up with the gutshot. At least, not obviously. Anderson and TIM in that scene show a lot more 'independent' action than the kid in the dreams ever did. Granted we have a too small reference pool to make any real calls but still.

Also, remember "It reminds me of your description of the Collector base." Anderson heard of it, TIM rummaged through the ruins of the actual base. Even if Shepard didn't board the Shadow Broker ship it's likely that TIM did so, so that could possibly explain the architectural similarities.

Still don’t know why the reapers would want all three of ‘em in one ‘place’ when they try to indoctrinate ‘em. I dunno, maybe the Crucible is supposed to determine who gets the priiiize?

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

This is very insightful. I think I was thinking this on some subconcious level, but it took reading this to realize it.

[jakenou]

polor89 wrote...

jkthunder wrote...
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Downolad it for the PC if you want like i did go to piratebay and .... search....

Doing a little more research into who the money will go to if I pay for the app first. Then perhaps... Demonoid:?

[jakenou]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

This is very insightful. I think I was thinking this on some subconcious level, but it took reading this to realize it.

This has to do with some things that have been rolling through my mind lately, namely Liara. I'm going to go ahead and guess she has been discussed here already, but it did just occur to me that if indoctrination can occur as proximity exposure, then I'm thinking Liara, the quintessential Prothean researcher and artifact hunter has surely got to be high on the "likely to be indoctrinated" list?

[byne]

jkthunder wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

This is very insightful. I think I was thinking this on some subconcious level, but it took reading this to realize it.

This has to do with some things that have been rolling through my mind lately, namely Liara. I'm going to go ahead and guess she has been discussed here already, but it did just occur to me that if indoctrination can occur as proximity exposure, then I'm thinking Liara, the quintessential Prothean researcher and artifact hunter has surely got to be high on the "likely to be indoctrinated" list?

Why would prothean artifacts indoctrinate her?

[MegumiAzusa]

jkthunder wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

This is very insightful. I think I was thinking this on some subconcious level, but it took reading this to realize it.

This has to do with some things that have been rolling through my mind lately, namely Liara. I'm going to go ahead and guess she has been discussed here already, but it did just occur to me that if indoctrination can occur as proximity exposure, then I'm thinking Liara, the quintessential Prothean researcher and artifact hunter has surely got to be high on the "likely to be indoctrinated" list?

She definitely is.

Her comments in the beginning and the end could support this quite well if seen in that context. Could be nothing but it also might be a hint, that's the hard part about indoctrination, it's the little things until it's too late.
Even though Tali was in quite a number of missions her dialogue has quite a stark contrast to that.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 05 mai 2012 - 08:23 .

[TheConstantOne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

This is very insightful. I think I was thinking this on some subconcious level, but it took reading this to realize it.

The Citadel also being the Catalyst is what makes me believe that the Crucible is an indoctrination device that the Reapers want organic life to build.  It could possibly allow the Reaper's to control life's evolution and force organic and synthetic life to obey their cycle. 

Just a thought but there is definitely more to the Crucible than we know.  I'm becoming convinced that it lies at the heart of Shepard's indoctrination.  The Reapers want to use the Crucible just as much as we do

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

jkthunder wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

This is very insightful. I think I was thinking this on some subconcious level, but it took reading this to realize it.

This has to do with some things that have been rolling through my mind lately, namely Liara. I'm going to go ahead and guess she has been discussed here already, but it did just occur to me that if indoctrination can occur as proximity exposure, then I'm thinking Liara, the quintessential Prothean researcher and artifact hunter has surely got to be high on the "likely to be indoctrinated" list?

Why would prothean artifacts indoctrinate her?

Maybe some of the artifacts weren't Prothean but Reaper in origin?

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

Udina is looking out for his race more than any of the others combined. He literally tries to pull a coup so he can assume emergency powers and order the Citadel fleets to Earth.

Later, yes, but you can't tell when he started to see it that way. Going from pushing the Crucible project to pushing other interests seems like he wasn't as indoctrinated at first. And even if, the common element is still the Citadel.

But if you killed the council in ME1, Udina has been a councilor for exactly as long as the other three. Seems odd that they'd be more indoctrinated than he is.

Though, the Council being indoctrinated could explain why basically no matter what choice you make on any of the main missions in ME1, they criticize you for it, and then when you finally find the location of the Conduit, they let Udina ground you, and dont even bother sending a fleet to Ilos to stop Saren.

[balance5050]

 If anyone feels like debating IT with some misinformed kids, go here:
http://social.biowar...294/12#11887300

[Simon_Says]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

This is very insightful. I think I was thinking this on some subconcious level, but it took reading this to realize it.

That's actually a pretty good observation. Also, remember the final renegade dialogue when confronting TIM at the end? "You're selfish."

jkthunder wrote...
This has to do with some things that have been rolling through my mind lately, namely Liara. I'm going to go ahead and guess she has been discussed here already, but it did just occur to me that if indoctrination can occur as proximity exposure, then I'm thinking Liara, the quintessential Prothean researcher and artifact hunter has surely got to be high on the "likely to be indoctrinated" list?

"SHEPARD I'M A REAPER DOOMSDAY DEVICE"
"OH SHI-"

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm remembering someone here saying the Citadel might indoctrinate everyone, and considering how the affects of very slow indoctrination worked on Saren (got super pro Turian) and TIM (pro Human / Cerberus) it is quite noticeable how each councilor but the most recent, Udina, is only looking out for the respective race.
They come around at some point eventually but as indoctrination works to let them think they are in control, it is subtly changing their priorities to something different so they realize what to do only as their worlds are about to fall. Also note how the Salarians with the weakest military strength and in any case useless to the Reapers, as stated by Harbinger, try to persuade you to take them over the Krogan who got quite the strength and are the cause that defeated Nazara's first attempt with the Rachni.

Udina is looking out for his race more than any of the others combined. He literally tries to pull a coup so he can assume emergency powers and order the Citadel fleets to Earth.

Later, yes, but you can't tell when he started to see it that way. Going from pushing the Crucible project to pushing other interests seems like he wasn't as indoctrinated at first. And even if, the common element is still the Citadel.

But if you killed the council in ME1, Udina has been a councilor for exactly as long as the other three. Seems odd that they'd be more indoctrinated than he is.

Though, the Council being indoctrinated could explain why basically no matter what choice you make on any of the main missions in ME1, they criticize you for it, and then when you finally find the location of the Conduit, they let Udina ground you, and dont even bother sending a fleet to Ilos to stop Saren.

Well, we do know that most if not all Reaper tech sends out some sort of indoctrination signal.  It wouldn't be a stretch to wonder if the Citadel also indoctrinates its occupants.  Also, I wonder is there is some sort of signal given off by the mass relays.  That way EVERYONE would be exposed to indoctrination at some point.

[jakenou]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

bigstig wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
 *lots of snips*

What is even a trial like, in a galaxy that is either near or just nearly survived an apocalypse?

Well applying current logic that TIM committed War Crimes against the universe and the council is the seat of power for the majority of the galaxy so in theory whatever is left of the council would be responsible

Hm, that may be a Battlestar Galactica style to wrap up a character. I always thought of ME more like Star Wars. So I imagine the character more going down before getting to chance to face the consequences of his actions, even though TIM is likely a victim of the events around him.

Imo it's more like this:
http://sfdebris.com/...artrek/d419.asp
It's an interesting review of a DS9 episode that raises questions that can be applied here in the same way.

More BSG (I'll take DS9 too since it has the common thread of Ron Moore, even though I didn't watch much of it) cross-comparisons with the ME trilogy pleeze!

I'll start: Starbuck v Shepard - if IT were the case, both went through a similar metamorphosis, and both had similar implications to the survival of the world around them. Both also had associations with the word "harbinger"