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[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Awwww, yeaaaah.

I posted it here on numerous occasions and nobody wanted to consider it.
When my LI and Shep were in the Captains cabin, talking, looking out the roof window, my LI suggested how it would be to just run away, settle down on a distant world and leave everything behind.
Then my LI smiled at the sight of this paradise planet Normandy just crash landed on.

Considering this, my theory was: Shepard's final wish of seeing her LI at the happy place (s)he wished for. The last dream of hope for our hero.

This screenshot reads like a solid proof. Finally...

Not using their name?!

Really, Byne?  You, a known hater of ManShep posting a video with ManShep in it?  I'm shocked, unless you're turning over a new leaf...

[byne]

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Awwww, yeaaaah.

I posted it here on numerous occasions and nobody wanted to consider it.
When my LI and Shep were in the Captains cabin, talking, looking out the roof window, my LI suggested how it would be to just run away, settle down on a distant world and leave everything behind.
Then my LI smiled at the sight of this paradise planet Normandy just crash landed on.

Considering this, my theory was: Shepard's final wish of seeing her LI at the happy place (s)he wished for. The last dream of hope for our hero.

This screenshot reads like a solid proof. Finally...

Not using their name?!

Generality, though reducing emotion, seems to add to the comprehensibily.
In my case, LI is Liara.

Every time Liara suggests finding a place somewhere far away from all of this to live the rest of our lives I totally want to do that. Sounds better than the current endings.

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

So, speaking of snipers, what is your favorite sniper rifle in ME3?

I just finished my infiltrator playthrough a couple of days ago, and was really not liking the class until I got my Javelin. Javelin with armor piercing mod as well as armor piercing ammo as my bonus power was pretty insane. I didnt even have to wait for enemies to leave cover, just shot em through walls.

Hmm... let's see.. I love my Valiant, it's a good, solid sniper rifle, but I also greatly appreciate my Roshenkov Materials Viper, which is great just being able to line up and crack of 5 or 10 shots in a row, kickback on the Incisor is a bit too nasty for my taste, and leaves you out of cover far too long,  Mantis is too slow on reload for my taste, and the clip FAR too small, the Nemesis is good for multiplayer, being useful for both far off enemies and medium range assault rifle style fights. I've never been fond of the Widow series. clip is far too small for my taste, and I hate having to reload in between shots, forcing me to kill the bastard in one hit or not at all.I have yet to try out my Indra with the fully automatic clip, but I suppose that one has potential, I've been far too sucked into Legend of Grimrock lately 

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Quilate wrote...

Somebody has already seen this ? Found it on the retake facebook. Whadyathing ?

Awwww, yeaaaah.

I posted it here on numerous occasions and nobody wanted to consider it.
When my LI and Shep were in the Captains cabin, talking, looking out the roof window, my LI suggested how it would be to just run away, settle down on a distant world and leave everything behind.
Then my LI smiled at the sight of this paradise planet Normandy just crash landed on.

Considering this, my theory was: This is a dream, Shepard's final wish of seeing her LI at the happy place (s)he wished for. The last dream of hope for our hero.

This screenshot reads like a solid proof. Finally...

Your LI was Liara, right?

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

Really, Byne?  You, a known hater of ManShep posting a video with ManShep in it?  I'm shocked, unless you're turning over a new leaf...

Nah, MaleShep sucks just as much as he always has.

Was just the first video I found

[D.Sharrah]

D.Sharrah wrote...

To those that had questions regarding how IT could strengthen the "Saren/Shepard MIrror" theme...i don't think that it is possible to do simply, but I will try.

To this theme justice we have to look at its entire evolution. In ME 1 the game clearly sets up so that Shepard and Saren are rivals on a collision course. In fact many of Shepard's actions are in direct response to the allies that Saren is trying to bulid. Saren has a research base to study indoctrination and clone Krogans...Shepard blows it up. Saren leaves Geth littered through the galaxy to attempt to destroy any evidence to what he is doing - Shepard stops them and finds the evidence. This all comes down to a final confrontation where you are given the ability (whether paragon or renegade and have invested in the appropriate skills) to convince Saren that he is indoctrinated but that he can still fight the reapers...

In ME 2 you have a dual purpose, (in alot of ways stemming from the fact that it is the midle installment of a trilogy ) there is the self contained story of that chapter and the preparation for the final chapter. This can be seen in the fact that during you fight against the collector's you are given the choice to strengthen your position to be able to gain allies for the final fight against the Reapers. There are two very obvious choices that play a huge role and play directly into the theme being discussed. The first is a decison to cure the genophage, an act that could potentially strengthen an ally and your ability to negotiate for their aid. Do you remember that Saren was also working to create an army of Krogan? Coincidence, possible. But then you are giving the option to allow a Geth to join your squad and efforts to fight the Collectors/Reapers...a Geth that informs of you a split in their people - a split that has one side looking for their own future and one side siding with the Reapers. This Geth then asks for your help to stop the threat of those that would follow the Reapers, where ultimately you are again given a choice to potentially strengthen an ally and your position to negotiate for their aid. Can it be coincidence again that this ally just happens to be another that Saren himself recruited in his effort to have an army that would pave the way for the return of the reapers? By this point in ME 2 I was starting to see that Saren and Shepard were mirrors of each other - an interesting observational study on how two potentially divergent paths could lead to the same place.

Then we reach ME 3. How could this theme be strengthened? Is there any thing that Saren has faced that Shepard has not? They both were insanely talented soldiers that were recognized for those talents and recrutied to join the Spectres. They were both thrust into politically explosive situations with galactic implications. They both have recruited as allies the Krogan and the Geth. They both were exposed to reaper tech. But to this point, the major difference was that the Saren had succumbed to the dangers of being indoctrinated, while Shepard had shown no signs of it all. If we are to believe all of the information that is given to us in the lore (codex, etc.), then how can we so quickly dismiss the idea that Shepard (given the amount of contact that he has had with reaper tech) would not be subject to the same danger that Saren faced. In other words, thematically (given this mirror between the two) the fact that Shepard would face indoctrination at some point makes perfect sense.

So, if IT is true at the ending sequence of the game is Shepard's final breaking point where the Reapers finally put all of the effort in one last attempt to indoctrinate Shepard, the arc of the theme would be complete. Shepard would have done and faced everything that Saren had done and faced as well. Which if we look at the mirror as more of an example of Ying-Yang, then Shepard being able to somehow defeat the indoctrination attempt as the absolute best way to tie the theme together completely.

I hope that this explains a little more deeply, exactly what I meant when I said that IT would both be stregthened and supported (and conversely the opposite as well) by this theme.

I wanted to post this again...since it seems to be getting lost in some of the other conversations going on (great convos by the way).

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Awwww, yeaaaah.

I posted it here on numerous occasions and nobody wanted to consider it.
When my LI and Shep were in the Captains cabin, talking, looking out the roof window, my LI suggested how it would be to just run away, settle down on a distant world and leave everything behind.
Then my LI smiled at the sight of this paradise planet Normandy just crash landed on.

Considering this, my theory was: Shepard's final wish of seeing her LI at the happy place (s)he wished for. The last dream of hope for our hero.

This screenshot reads like a solid proof. Finally...

Not using their name?!

Generality, though reducing emotion, seems to add to the comprehensibily.
In my case, LI is Liara.

Every time Liara suggests finding a place somewhere far away from all of this to live the rest of our lives I totally want to do that. Sounds better than the current endings.

Not if it was an actual suggestion and she is indoctrinated.

[MaximizedAction]

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Awwww, yeaaaah.

I posted it here on numerous occasions and nobody wanted to consider it.
When my LI and Shep were in the Captains cabin, talking, looking out the roof window, my LI suggested how it would be to just run away, settle down on a distant world and leave everything behind.
Then my LI smiled at the sight of this paradise planet Normandy just crash landed on.

Considering this, my theory was: Shepard's final wish of seeing her LI at the happy place (s)he wished for. The last dream of hope for our hero.

This screenshot reads like a solid proof. Finally...

Not using their name?!

Generality, though reducing emotion, seems to add to the comprehensibily.
In my case, LI is Liara.

Every time Liara suggests finding a place somewhere far away from all of this to live the rest of our lives I totally want to do that. Sounds better than the current endings.

da hell? This, OP, is exactly what you got for your Liara. It's just without your Shep. Are you that egoistic, that you only accept happyness for someone, if it's with you? Whyyy, you [/fistwave]

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 05 mai 2012 - 10:20 .

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...


Hmm... let's see.. I love my Valiant, it's a good, solid sniper rifle, but I also greatly appreciate my Roshenkov Materials Viper, which is great just being able to line up and crack of 5 or 10 shots in a row, kickback on the Incisor is a bit too nasty for my taste, and leaves you out of cover far too long,  Mantis is too slow on reload for my taste, and the clip FAR too small, the Nemesis is good for multiplayer, being useful for both far off enemies and medium range assault rifle style fights. I've never been fond of the Widow series. clip is far too small for my taste, and I hate having to reload in between shots, forcing me to kill the bastard in one hit or not at all.I have yet to try out my Indra with the fully automatic clip, but I suppose that one has potential, I've been far too sucked into Legend of Grimrock lately 

Which promotion was the Indra from again? I dont have that one.

[polor89]

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Awwww, yeaaaah.

I posted it here on numerous occasions and nobody wanted to consider it.
When my LI and Shep were in the Captains cabin, talking, looking out the roof window, my LI suggested how it would be to just run away, settle down on a distant world and leave everything behind.
Then my LI smiled at the sight of this paradise planet Normandy just crash landed on.

Considering this, my theory was: Shepard's final wish of seeing her LI at the happy place (s)he wished for. The last dream of hope for our hero.

This screenshot reads like a solid proof. Finally...

Not using their name?!

Generality, although reducing emotion, seems to add to the comprehensibily.
In my case, LI is Liara.

This moment with liara was probably the best romance scene of the entire trilogy whether you like it or not such emotion 

[MaximizedAction]

polor89 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Awwww, yeaaaah.

I posted it here on numerous occasions and nobody wanted to consider it.
When my LI and Shep were in the Captains cabin, talking, looking out the roof window, my LI suggested how it would be to just run away, settle down on a distant world and leave everything behind.
Then my LI smiled at the sight of this paradise planet Normandy just crash landed on.

Considering this, my theory was: Shepard's final wish of seeing her LI at the happy place (s)he wished for. The last dream of hope for our hero.

This screenshot reads like a solid proof. Finally...

Not using their name?!

Generality, although reducing emotion, seems to add to the comprehensibily.
In my case, LI is Liara.

This moment with liara was probably the best romance scene of the entire trilogy whether you like it or not such emotion 

This, and the time capsule scene. I think, these scenes are why non-Liara romancers hate on Liara.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 05 mai 2012 - 10:22 .

[byne]

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

Every time Liara suggests finding a place somewhere far away from all of this to live the rest of our lives I totally want to do that. Sounds better than the current endings.

da hell? This, OP, is exactly what you got for your Liara. It's just without your Shep. Are you that egoistic, that you only accept happyness for someone, if it's with you? Whyyy, you [/fistwave]

Liara: "I spent two years mourning you, so if we're going to try this, I need to know you're always coming back."

I made her a promise. I keep my promises.

[MegumiAzusa]

lol adjusted the combat difficulty to Narrative for getting the videos... one shot and they die oO
Hilarious.

[byne]

MaximizedAction wrote...

polor89 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Awwww, yeaaaah.

I posted it here on numerous occasions and nobody wanted to consider it.
When my LI and Shep were in the Captains cabin, talking, looking out the roof window, my LI suggested how it would be to just run away, settle down on a distant world and leave everything behind.
Then my LI smiled at the sight of this paradise planet Normandy just crash landed on.

Considering this, my theory was: Shepard's final wish of seeing her LI at the happy place (s)he wished for. The last dream of hope for our hero.

This screenshot reads like a solid proof. Finally...

Not using their name?!

Generality, although reducing emotion, seems to add to the comprehensibily.
In my case, LI is Liara.

This moment with liara was probably the best romance scene of the entire trilogy whether you like it or not such emotion 

This, and the time capsule scene. I think, these scenes are why non-Liara romancers hate on Liara.

Time capsule scene isnt even a Liara romance exclusive scene. You always get it.

Anyways, Liara romance from LotSB is still my favorite. It is far superior to ME3's romance scene due to at no point being interrupted by a godchild dream.

Modifié par byne, 05 mai 2012 - 10:24 .

[SlowBoat]

I just finished ME 3 and I have a few questions regarding IT

1) Wouldn't it make sense that Coat(?) says "the entire fleet was decimated" because...it was? Shepard and everyone else was either dead or suffering on the ground. And no one saw Shepard enter the conduit because everyone had retreated. (though, how Hackett knew shepard was alive and on the conduit is a head scratcher)

2) Couldn't Shepard's "indoctrinated eyes" in the Control or Synthesis endings just be prosthetic implants from his recontruction in ME 2? And if Shepard's eyes were indeed the result of indoctrination, how did he/she get Reaper implants?

Not nesessarily agaisnt IT, just playing devil's advocate.

[Simon_Says]

byne wrote...

Which promotion was the Indra from again? I dont have that one.

Alienware giveaway. Grab a key quickly. PC version only.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 05 mai 2012 - 10:24 .

[byne]

SlowBoat wrote...

I just finished ME 3 and I have a few questions regarding IT

1) Wouldn't it make sense that Coat(?) says "the entire fleet was decimated" because...it was? Shepard and everyone else was either dead or suffering on the ground. And no one saw Shepard enter the conduit because everyone had retreated. (though, how Hackett knew shepard was alive and on the conduit is a head scratcher)

2) Couldn't Shepard's "indoctrinated eyes" in the Control or Synthesis endings just be prosthetic implants from his recontruction in ME 2? And if Shepard's eyes were indeed the result of indoctrination, how did he/she get Reaper implants?

Not nesessarily agaisnt IT, just playing devil's advocate.

1) It might make sense if they werent saying that as Shepard was in the process of standing back up.

2) The prosthetics become visible if you're renegade, remember? And the pattern of the eyes is upside down compared to the control/synthesis eyes.

[polor89]

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

Every time Liara suggests finding a place somewhere far away from all of this to live the rest of our lives I totally want to do that. Sounds better than the current endings.

da hell? This, OP, is exactly what you got for your Liara. It's just without your Shep. Are you that egoistic, that you only accept happyness for someone, if it's with you? Whyyy, you [/fistwave]

Liara: "I spent two years mourning you, so if we're going to try this, I need to know you're always coming back."

I made her a promise. I keep my promises.

There is a GREAT possibility that you are going to break this one:?

[Dwailing]

SlowBoat wrote...

I just finished ME 3 and I have a few questions regarding IT

1) Wouldn't it make sense that Coat(?) says "the entire fleet was decimated" because...it was? Shepard and everyone else was either dead or suffering on the ground. And no one saw Shepard enter the conduit because everyone had retreated. (though, how Hackett knew shepard was alive and on the conduit is a head scratcher)

2) Couldn't Shepard's "indoctrinated eyes" in the Control or Synthesis endings just be prosthetic implants from his recontruction in ME 2? And if Shepard's eyes were indeed the result of indoctrination, how did he/she get Reaper implants?

Not nesessarily agaisnt IT, just playing devil's advocate.

Well, with regards to 2, I think that the indoctrinated eyes are more symbolic than literal.  Remember, this is a dream/vision/hallucination, just about everything is symbolic.

[marcelo_sdk]

 About that video:

 

I don't think that Liara's dialogue shows some sign of indoctrination. She just says, "if could have saved Thessia, I don't know..."

In fact, if you didn't destroy the Collector's Base, you tought the same way TIM. 

[Dwailing]

Simon_Says wrote...

byne wrote...

Which promotion was the Indra from again? I dont have that one.

Alienware giveaway. Grab a key quickly. PC version only.

They're STILL giving that sucker away?  I thought it was limited time only.  I guess limited means something different for them. 

[MaximizedAction]

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

polor89 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Awwww, yeaaaah.

I posted it here on numerous occasions and nobody wanted to consider it.
When my LI and Shep were in the Captains cabin, talking, looking out the roof window, my LI suggested how it would be to just run away, settle down on a distant world and leave everything behind.
Then my LI smiled at the sight of this paradise planet Normandy just crash landed on.

Considering this, my theory was: Shepard's final wish of seeing her LI at the happy place (s)he wished for. The last dream of hope for our hero.

This screenshot reads like a solid proof. Finally...

Not using their name?!

Generality, although reducing emotion, seems to add to the comprehensibily.
In my case, LI is Liara.

This moment with liara was probably the best romance scene of the entire trilogy whether you like it or not such emotion 

This, and the time capsule scene. I think, these scenes are why non-Liara romancers hate on Liara.

Time capsule scene isnt even a Liara romance exclusive scene. You always get it.

Anyways, Liara romance from LotSB is still my favorite. It is far superior to ME3's romance scene due to at no point being interrupted by a godchild dream.

Exactly what I meant: Everyone gets the time capsule scene, but for me as a Liara romancer the scene gets an additional undertone. Thus, extending the emotional value of the scene.

LotSB had a more intimate and romantic dialogue, but the music in the ME3 romance scene nailed it.

[byne]

polor89 wrote...

byne wrote...


Liara: "I spent two years mourning you, so if we're going to try this, I need to know you're always coming back."

I made her a promise. I keep my promises.

There is a GREAT possibility that you are going to break this one:?

Nope. 

Even taking the endings at face value, both Liara and I lived. Shep will find her.

I dont make a girl a promise if I know I cant keep it.

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

SlowBoat wrote...

I just finished ME 3 and I have a few questions regarding IT

1) Wouldn't it make sense that Coat(?) says "the entire fleet was decimated" because...it was? Shepard and everyone else was either dead or suffering on the ground. And no one saw Shepard enter the conduit because everyone had retreated. (though, how Hackett knew shepard was alive and on the conduit is a head scratcher)

2) Couldn't Shepard's "indoctrinated eyes" in the Control or Synthesis endings just be prosthetic implants from his recontruction in ME 2? And if Shepard's eyes were indeed the result of indoctrination, how did he/she get Reaper implants?

Not nesessarily agaisnt IT, just playing devil's advocate.

Well, with regards to 2, I think that the indoctrinated eyes are more symbolic than literal.  Remember, this is a dream/vision/hallucination, just about everything is symbolic.

Also, The indoctrinated eyes are NOT his/her cybernetic implants flaring up, because TIM and Saren both got those very same eyes after having been in contact with a reaper artifact!

[Christianswe]

I want to belive in the IT. I would be a way for Bioware, to come out of the horrible ending, so we all don´t have to se that damn starkid. But sadly, the extended cut DLC will just add on the ending)(yes ending, as in one, not 16. Sorry Bioware.) We will se this summer, and in the future overall i hope.
Peace.