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MegumiAzusa wrote...

You actually need nothing but a Predator when choosing Narrative, it's so easy it isn't even funny anymore.

Narrative is so easy i couldnt believe it. you dont need a gun just your fist only  

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polor89 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You actually need nothing but a Predator when choosing Narrative, it's so easy it isn't even funny anymore.

Narrative is so easy i couldnt believe it. you dont need a gun just your fist only  

Jup, didn't play anything but Insanity so far, feels like cheating >.>

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

You actually need nothing but a Predator when choosing Narrative, it's so easy it isn't even funny anymore.


Speaking of the Predator, they need to fix it so that I can upgrade it past VII.

I've got every other weapon in the game upgraded to X except for the Predator.

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Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

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OT - I think I'm going to replay the entire series. I've only ever played as a soldier, vanguard and adept. Anybody have any recommendations for what my next class should be?


I've played an infiltrator repeatedly, and I've loved it.


Infiltrator is fun in ME2 and ME3, but the scope swaying mechanic in ME1 is annoying as hell.

I mean yeah you can minimize it, but its still super annoying.


It's funny, ME1 is the game that taught me to love the sniper rifle.  And getting used to the sway mechanic in ME1 makes it MUCH easier to use sniper rifles in ANY game.  What can I say, you think the sway in, say, CoD is bad, you haven't experienced sway until you've played ME1.


Same here again Dwailing. After mastering the sniper rifle in ME1, anything else seemed ridiculously easy for me, including ME3. I don't think I even noticed any sway at all in ME3, and if I did subconsciously, it probably just registered as normal and natural for that kind of gun. From the beginning of game 1 in ME3 a sniper was my main gun. In general, all guns are easier for all classes in ME3 comparatively. Whoda think my Inf. would also enjoy popping a shotgun here and there?

Big Bad wrote...

Are the engineer and sentinel classes also fun?


Also a bomber class. Tons of fun to be had with Sentinel. Like a Solldier on biotic acid!

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Hmm this may have been mentioned before but a repost never hurt anyone.

According to Vendetta the crucible was constructed but before they could use it infighting broke out between those who wanted to control the Reapers and those who wanted to destroy the Reapers.


Then during the later days of the first contact war Jack Harper and Desolas end up coming into indirect contact with a Reaper artifact. While those who touch it become damn hear husked those who haven't come into contact with it seem to begin be fine at first then later begin to advocate the advancement of their species (Desolas with his meta-Turians then with Harper and Cerberus)

Cerberus later begins advocating for control of the Reapers fighting against those who wish to destroy them.

If Cerberus really is "an idea" (as I believe TIM said) then it would make sense.

Now if this is the case why would TIM bring Shepard back to fight the collectors of they were all on the same side?

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blooregard wrote...

Hmm this may have been mentioned before but a repost never hurt anyone.

According to Vendetta the crucible was constructed but before they could use it infighting broke out between those who wanted to control the Reapers and those who wanted to destroy the Reapers.


Then during the later days of the first contact war Jack Harper and Desolas end up coming into indirect contact with a Reaper artifact. While those who touch it become damn hear husked those who haven't come into contact with it seem to begin be fine at first then later begin to advocate the advancement of their species (Desolas with his meta-Turians then with Harper and Cerberus)

Cerberus later begins advocating for control of the Reapers fighting against those who wish to destroy them.

If Cerberus really is "an idea" (as I believe TIM said) then it would make sense.

Now if this is the case why would TIM bring Shepard back to fight the collectors of they were all on the same side?


James also said his squad was betrayed by a Cerberus agent working with the Collectors. It is never brought up again, but seriously, what the hell?

Cerberus was working WITH the Collectors?

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Considering that Indoctrination occurs entirely at the subliminal, which is to say Ultrasonic, level, and that more than likely, only people with EXTREMELY acute hearing, such as perhaps James, should even be capable of hearing it.


I'm disappointed in you Arian. That is entirely wrong. Indoctrination occurs in many ways, and certainly more than entirely at the ultrasonic level (which isnt even considered "subliminal" for that matter).  Did you read my post on the previous page about the affects of infrasonic noise?

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byne wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Hmm this may have been mentioned before but a repost never hurt anyone.

According to Vendetta the crucible was constructed but before they could use it infighting broke out between those who wanted to control the Reapers and those who wanted to destroy the Reapers.


Then during the later days of the first contact war Jack Harper and Desolas end up coming into indirect contact with a Reaper artifact. While those who touch it become damn hear husked those who haven't come into contact with it seem to begin be fine at first then later begin to advocate the advancement of their species (Desolas with his meta-Turians then with Harper and Cerberus)

Cerberus later begins advocating for control of the Reapers fighting against those who wish to destroy them.

If Cerberus really is "an idea" (as I believe TIM said) then it would make sense.

Now if this is the case why would TIM bring Shepard back to fight the collectors of they were all on the same side?


James also said his squad was betrayed by a Cerberus agent working with the Collectors. It is never brought up again, but seriously, what the hell?

Cerberus was working WITH the Collectors?

Yeah i found that crazy too i mean what the hell? how Cerberus was working with the Collectors but i think they put that line for the guys that just starting to playing ME3 to grow more "hate" for cerberus which IS STUPID<_<

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blooregard wrote...

Hmm this may have been mentioned before but a repost never hurt anyone.

According to Vendetta the crucible was constructed but before they could use it infighting broke out between those who wanted to control the Reapers and those who wanted to destroy the Reapers.


Then during the later days of the first contact war Jack Harper and Desolas end up coming into indirect contact with a Reaper artifact. While those who touch it become damn hear husked those who haven't come into contact with it seem to begin be fine at first then later begin to advocate the advancement of their species (Desolas with his meta-Turians then with Harper and Cerberus)

Cerberus later begins advocating for control of the Reapers fighting against those who wish to destroy them.

If Cerberus really is "an idea" (as I believe TIM said) then it would make sense.

Now if this is the case why would TIM bring Shepard back to fight the collectors of they were all on the same side?


An indoctrinated or slightly indoctrinated TIM would still want to bring Shepard back if the Reapers wanted to turn Shepard.  The Collector attack could be seen as not a failed assination attempt but a failed kidnapping attempt. Also, in the comics I believe the Collectors retained the Shadow Broker to try to collect Shepard's body, so it is obvious they had a high interest in Commander Shepard post-death.

Coupled with the strong hints that the Lazarus project was fueled by Reaper tech motive seems to not be a problem.  The reason why the Reapers used both the Collectors and Cerebus to revive Shepard is in character with the reapers who prefer redundancy in their actions (they both indoctrinate AND engage in direct genocidal activity, they have a Soverign AND a Harbringer/Collector AND a simple FTL strategy).  

I do think, however, that TIM was only slightly indoctrinated (if at all) during ME2.  Based on the codex an indoctrinated person lasts only a few months to a year before becoming little more than a drone.  As the TIM was indoctrinated but still in possession of some of his facilities by ME3 (taking place a year after the suicide mission), that would suggest that his indoctrination level during ME2 was very low to nonexistent.  Indeed, his decision to harvest the Reaper tech after the suicide mission might have been the catalyst to his indoctrination.

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There is DEFINITELY something off about Liara and Vega, only Ash to go now, then encoding and uploading on YT for you.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is DEFINITELY something off about Liara and Vega, only Ash to go now, then encoding and uploading on YT for you.


Thank you for these videos!


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lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is DEFINITELY something off about Liara and Vega, only Ash to go now, then encoding and uploading on YT for you.


Thank you for these videos!


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I don't think the blue baby will be happy :'(

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HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


Considering that Indoctrination occurs entirely at the subliminal, which is to say Ultrasonic, level, and that more than likely, only people with EXTREMELY acute hearing, such as perhaps James, should even be capable of hearing it.


I'm disappointed in you Arian. That is entirely wrong. Indoctrination occurs in many ways, and certainly more than entirely at the ultrasonic level (which isnt even considered "subliminal" for that matter).  Did you read my post on the previous page about the affects of infrasonic noise?


If you read the response I was posting to, then you'll see what I mean, yes I was already aware of INFRAsonic noise as well. Electromagnetic pulses I don't see having much effect through an envrionmental suit either, but I could be wrong. But either way, my point still holds.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is DEFINITELY something off about Liara and Vega, only Ash to go now, then encoding and uploading on YT for you.


Thank you for these videos!

*snip*

I don't think the blue baby will be happy :'(


Huh? What did I miss?
Shall I substitute with Krogan Babies?

#51715
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polor89 wrote...

byne wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Hmm this may have been mentioned before but a repost never hurt anyone.

According to Vendetta the crucible was constructed but before they could use it infighting broke out between those who wanted to control the Reapers and those who wanted to destroy the Reapers.


Then during the later days of the first contact war Jack Harper and Desolas end up coming into indirect contact with a Reaper artifact. While those who touch it become damn hear husked those who haven't come into contact with it seem to begin be fine at first then later begin to advocate the advancement of their species (Desolas with his meta-Turians then with Harper and Cerberus)

Cerberus later begins advocating for control of the Reapers fighting against those who wish to destroy them.

If Cerberus really is "an idea" (as I believe TIM said) then it would make sense.

Now if this is the case why would TIM bring Shepard back to fight the collectors of they were all on the same side?


James also said his squad was betrayed by a Cerberus agent working with the Collectors. It is never brought up again, but seriously, what the hell?

Cerberus was working WITH the Collectors?

Yeah i found that crazy too i mean what the hell? how Cerberus was working with the Collectors but i think they put that line for the guys that just starting to playing ME3 to grow more "hate" for cerberus which IS STUPID<_<


OMG, I think Cerberus was playing us the whole time!

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byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You actually need nothing but a Predator when choosing Narrative, it's so easy it isn't even funny anymore.


Speaking of the Predator, they need to fix it so that I can upgrade it past VII.

I've got every other weapon in the game upgraded to X except for the Predator.


Speaking of things BW needs to fix....

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Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You actually need nothing but a Predator when choosing Narrative, it's so easy it isn't even funny anymore.


Speaking of the Predator, they need to fix it so that I can upgrade it past VII.

I've got every other weapon in the game upgraded to X except for the Predator.


Speaking of things BW needs to fix....


....what? I don't get it. The endings? The random random head turning around exorcist style?

#51718
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Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You actually need nothing but a Predator when choosing Narrative, it's so easy it isn't even funny anymore.


Speaking of the Predator, they need to fix it so that I can upgrade it past VII.

I've got every other weapon in the game upgraded to X except for the Predator.


Speaking of things BW needs to fix....


Other than the endings I have nitpicky things I want fixed.

Like when defending the missiles on Earth, and a marine radios you saying the left flank has collapsed, and then she's all "Your left flank is gone! Sorry, sir!"

I am not a sir, silly marine.

I can forgive the turian on Menae calling me sir, he might just not know what a human female looks like, but the female marine on Earth has no excuse.

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lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is DEFINITELY something off about Liara and Vega, only Ash to go now, then encoding and uploading on YT for you.


Thank you for these videos!

*snip*

I don't think the blue baby will be happy :'(


Huh? What did I miss?
Shall I substitute with Krogan Babies?


I demand Turian babies!

#51720
lex0r11

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Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is DEFINITELY something off about Liara and Vega, only Ash to go now, then encoding and uploading on YT for you.


Thank you for these videos!

*snip*

I don't think the blue baby will be happy :'(


Huh? What did I miss?
Shall I substitute with Krogan Babies?


I demand Turian babies!




I shall substitute with Turian Baby.


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Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is DEFINITELY something off about Liara and Vega, only Ash to go now, then encoding and uploading on YT for you.


Thank you for these videos!

*snip*

I don't think the blue baby will be happy :'(


Huh? What did I miss?
Shall I substitute with Krogan Babies?


I demand Turian babies!

Turian and Quarian babies seem to be save, Protheans too, but it doesn't look good for Humans and Asari :(

#51722
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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is DEFINITELY something off about Liara and Vega, only Ash to go now, then encoding and uploading on YT for you.


Thank you for these videos!

*snip*

I don't think the blue baby will be happy :'(


Huh? What did I miss?
Shall I substitute with Krogan Babies?


I demand Turian babies!

Turian and Quarian babies seem to be save, Protheans too, but it doesn't look good for Humans and Asari :(


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#51723
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lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is DEFINITELY something off about Liara and Vega, only Ash to go now, then encoding and uploading on YT for you.


Thank you for these videos!

*snip*

I don't think the blue baby will be happy :'(


Huh? What did I miss?
Shall I substitute with Krogan Babies?


I demand Turian babies!




I shall substitute with Turian Baby.


*snip*


But what about an idyllic future where Mordin survives and adopts a bunch of baby Krogan?!

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lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is DEFINITELY something off about Liara and Vega, only Ash to go now, then encoding and uploading on YT for you.


Thank you for these videos!

*snip*

I don't think the blue baby will be happy :'(


Huh? What did I miss?
Shall I substitute with Krogan Babies?


I demand Turian babies!




I shall substitute with Turian Baby.


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Oh gawd!  It's both really cute and really ugly at the same time.

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byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is DEFINITELY something off about Liara and Vega, only Ash to go now, then encoding and uploading on YT for you.


Thank you for these videos!

*snip*

I don't think the blue baby will be happy :'(


Huh? What did I miss?
Shall I substitute with Krogan Babies?


I demand Turian babies!




I shall substitute with Turian Baby.


*snip*


But what about an idyllic future where Mordin survives and adopts a bunch of baby Krogan?!

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Now THAT is cute.  Here Byne, have a cookie.

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