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[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

So here it is.
Lined up all entries and then all short conversations when you climbed the ladder.

Liara's dialogue is... well I think it sounds suspicious.

She's usually so much more emotive than that...

You must be thinking about a different Liara. The Liara I've had in my games all these years has always sounded like that...  I can only think of a few occassions where she has been "emotive"... The rest of the time she sounds exactly like she does in that clip. 

With regards to the video.  I find it interesting that the people who have been with Shepard the least amount of time have the feeling of being watched.  Javik is the exception, but when you think about it, he's probably been exposed to a ****ton of Reapers and Reaper tech throughout his life. 

Also his complete squad was indoctrinated.

I just remembered, he had to kill his indoctrinated squad.  And he mentions that right before the end.  Maybe Bioware is giving us a hint? 

Modifié par Dwailing, 06 mai 2012 - 01:38 .

[NeoDobby]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
The thing is that it seems Liara, Vega, and Ash already have these nanites in them as they react completely different. You think it's chance there are two different responses by Shep and that the response hinting more to indoctrination are exactly the people who seem to be the candidates for indoctrination?

They reactions are appropriate for EMF exposure- nervousness, feeling watched, a sense of being "violated".

As for different reactions, people vary in their sensitivity- the most adverse reactions can cause heart problems, vomitting, etc. albeit, such people are rare. There is also something there to be said artistically about breaking up the the companion dialogue some.

I personally would expect Garrus and Tali to be indoctrinated, out of all the crew, given their more extensive background with Shepard.

Hmm, when I think about it, it could make sense. Not getting the feeling of being watched (or having adjusted to it) could just as well mean they're more indoctrinated.

Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Yeah, it's like you can only become paranoid if you think too much about who of your friends could be indoctrinated ...

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

So here it is.
Lined up all entries and then all short conversations when you climbed the ladder.

Liara's dialogue is... well I think it sounds suspicious.

She's usually so much more emotive than that...

You must be thinking about a different Liara. The Liara I've had in my games all these years has always sounded like that...  I can only think of a few occassions where she has been "emotive"... The rest of the time she sounds exactly like she does in that clip. 

With regards to the video.  I find it interesting that the people who have been with Shepard the least amount of time have the feeling of being watched.  Javik is the exception, but when you think about it, he's probably been exposed to a ****ton of Reapers and Reaper tech throughout his life. 

Anyone remember how I brought up a while ago that if you bring James with you on the mission that takes place in the Firebase Reactor multiplayer map, he's talks about how he feels like he's being watched? And it turns out that place is infested with husks and marauders and brutes and all that good Reaper stuff?

Right, you did mention that, and as a response I posted my older one with just Liara but no one wanted to listen
Maybe I should have done that sooner

[NeoDobby]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
The thing is that it seems Liara, Vega, and Ash already have these nanites in them as they react completely different. You think it's chance there are two different responses by Shep and that the response hinting more to indoctrination are exactly the people who seem to be the candidates for indoctrination?

They reactions are appropriate for EMF exposure- nervousness, feeling watched, a sense of being "violated".

As for different reactions, people vary in their sensitivity- the most adverse reactions can cause heart problems, vomitting, etc. albeit, such people are rare. There is also something there to be said artistically about breaking up the the companion dialogue some.

I personally would expect Garrus and Tali to be indoctrinated, out of all the crew, given their more extensive background with Shepard.

Hmm, when I think about it, it could make sense. Not getting the feeling of being watched (or having adjusted to it) could just as well mean they're more indoctrinated.

Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Funny you should mention the hum line.  I do believe that you only hear it once, and it's fairly early in the game when you do.  INDOCTRINATION!!!!

I heard it a couple of times in my playthrough - I didn't take note as of when he said it, but it was quite spread out over the duration of the game IIRC.

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
The thing is that it seems Liara, Vega, and Ash already have these nanites in them as they react completely different. You think it's chance there are two different responses by Shep and that the response hinting more to indoctrination are exactly the people who seem to be the candidates for indoctrination?

They reactions are appropriate for EMF exposure- nervousness, feeling watched, a sense of being "violated".

As for different reactions, people vary in their sensitivity- the most adverse reactions can cause heart problems, vomitting, etc. albeit, such people are rare. There is also something there to be said artistically about breaking up the the companion dialogue some.

I personally would expect Garrus and Tali to be indoctrinated, out of all the crew, given their more extensive background with Shepard.

Hmm, when I think about it, it could make sense. Not getting the feeling of being watched (or having adjusted to it) could just as well mean they're more indoctrinated.

Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Funny you should mention the hum line.  I do believe that you only hear it once, and it's fairly early in the game when you do.  INDOCTRINATION!!!!

No it's fairly common if he is out of other lines, mostly when you did N7 missions or other sidequests.

[NeoDobby]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
The thing is that it seems Liara, Vega, and Ash already have these nanites in them as they react completely different. You think it's chance there are two different responses by Shep and that the response hinting more to indoctrination are exactly the people who seem to be the candidates for indoctrination?

They reactions are appropriate for EMF exposure- nervousness, feeling watched, a sense of being "violated".

As for different reactions, people vary in their sensitivity- the most adverse reactions can cause heart problems, vomitting, etc. albeit, such people are rare. There is also something there to be said artistically about breaking up the the companion dialogue some.

I personally would expect Garrus and Tali to be indoctrinated, out of all the crew, given their more extensive background with Shepard.

Hmm, when I think about it, it could make sense. Not getting the feeling of being watched (or having adjusted to it) could just as well mean they're more indoctrinated.

Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Funny you should mention the hum line.  I do believe that you only hear it once, and it's fairly early in the game when you do.  INDOCTRINATION!!!!

No it's fairly common if he is out of other lines, mostly when you did N7 missions or other sidequests.

Ok, I thought a bit more about "feeling going after a while" - wouldn't that mean the signal would lose it's effectiveness and the target would develop a resistance/immunity?

Edit: So it's either that or you learn to live with the constant feeling of being watched, but take it as something normal and you get actually weaker for indoctrination because you begin to let your guard down.

Modifié par NeoDobby, 06 mai 2012 - 01:48 .

[nategator]

I'm sure that this has been asked-and-answered already but thought I would mention it to the community.

I tweeted @ehlien (Billy Buskell Associate Producer) the following:

@ehlien hi! loved ME except (TBD) the ending. Q is whether our discussions on IT and the "correct" choice expected or a surprise? Also...

AND

@ehlien would BW be willing to try Origin's idea and do a Q&A chat with the fans? Might be well received and increase patience of fans :-)

@ehlien responded thus:

@nategatorc all choices are correct, it's up to you :-) There have been some Q&A sessions, including PAX East. Not sure about more.

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
The thing is that it seems Liara, Vega, and Ash already have these nanites in them as they react completely different. You think it's chance there are two different responses by Shep and that the response hinting more to indoctrination are exactly the people who seem to be the candidates for indoctrination?

They reactions are appropriate for EMF exposure- nervousness, feeling watched, a sense of being "violated".

As for different reactions, people vary in their sensitivity- the most adverse reactions can cause heart problems, vomitting, etc. albeit, such people are rare. There is also something there to be said artistically about breaking up the the companion dialogue some.

I personally would expect Garrus and Tali to be indoctrinated, out of all the crew, given their more extensive background with Shepard.

Hmm, when I think about it, it could make sense. Not getting the feeling of being watched (or having adjusted to it) could just as well mean they're more indoctrinated.

Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Funny you should mention the hum line.  I do believe that you only hear it once, and it's fairly early in the game when you do.  INDOCTRINATION!!!!

No it's fairly common if he is out of other lines, mostly when you did N7 missions or other sidequests.

OK, well, on my CURRENT playthrough, I think I've only heard it once.
 

[Auralius Carolus]

Dwailing wrote...
I just remembered, he had to kill his indoctrinated squad.  And he mentions that right before the end.  Maybe Bioware is giving us a hint? 

If you thought the current endings caused an uproar...

[MegumiAzusa]

NeoDobby wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
The thing is that it seems Liara, Vega, and Ash already have these nanites in them as they react completely different. You think it's chance there are two different responses by Shep and that the response hinting more to indoctrination are exactly the people who seem to be the candidates for indoctrination?

They reactions are appropriate for EMF exposure- nervousness, feeling watched, a sense of being "violated".

As for different reactions, people vary in their sensitivity- the most adverse reactions can cause heart problems, vomitting, etc. albeit, such people are rare. There is also something there to be said artistically about breaking up the the companion dialogue some.

I personally would expect Garrus and Tali to be indoctrinated, out of all the crew, given their more extensive background with Shepard.

Hmm, when I think about it, it could make sense. Not getting the feeling of being watched (or having adjusted to it) could just as well mean they're more indoctrinated.

Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Funny you should mention the hum line.  I do believe that you only hear it once, and it's fairly early in the game when you do.  INDOCTRINATION!!!!

No it's fairly common if he is out of other lines, mostly when you did N7 missions or other sidequests.

Ok, I thought a bit more about "feeling going after a while" - wouldn't that mean the signal would lose it's effectiveness and the target would develop a resistance/immunity?

Either that and the signal has to be boosted, resulting in the organ failures, or it just becomes background stuff you don't really think about.

[Simon_Says]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

When was it established that nanite infection was neccesary for full indoctrination?

In the Books/Comics, (Evolution and Retribution I believe), and then it's also suggested in certain audio logs in ME3 and, (if memory serves), ME2.

If you listen to all of the research files in the Cerberus base you'll hear the discovery that Reapers communicate to their victims via signals sent to nanites and, later, implants.

Right, because I had a theory that there were at least two different methods of indoctrination. While certainly nanite/cybernetic indoctrination exists in the lore I'm not convinced that it's the only method. Believe me, there are ways of molding people's psyches without digging into their grey matter.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 06 mai 2012 - 01:50 .

[Auralius Carolus]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Humor is a common coping mechanism. And it has already been established the the humming was being emitted by a long cylindrical object that was found vibrating across the weapon's bench down in the cargo bay.

[NeoDobby]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Funny you should mention the hum line.  I do believe that you only hear it once, and it's fairly early in the game when you do.  INDOCTRINATION!!!!

No it's fairly common if he is out of other lines, mostly when you did N7 missions or other sidequests.

Ok, I thought a bit more about "feeling going after a while" - wouldn't that mean the signal would lose it's effectiveness and the target would develop a resistance/immunity?

Either that and the signal has to be boosted, resulting in the organ failures, or it just becomes background stuff you don't really think about.

Oh, my edit came a little late. That's what I added:

"Edit: So it's either that or you learn to live with the constant feeling
of being watched, but take it as something normal and you get actually
weaker for indoctrination because you begin to let your guard down."

[Auralius Carolus]

Simon_Says wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

When was it established that nanite infection was neccesary for full indoctrination?

In the Books/Comics, (Evolution and Retribution I believe), and then it's also suggested in certain audio logs in ME3 and, (if memory serves), ME2.

If you listen to all of the research files in the Cerberus base you'll hear the discovery that Reapers communicate to their victims via signals sent to nanites and, later, implants.

Right, because I had a theory that there were at least two different methods of indoctrination. While certainly nanite/cybernetic indoctrination exists in the lore I'm not convinced that it's the only method. Believe me, there are ways of molding people's psyches without digging in to their grey matter.

So... the Reapers hire forum trolls? Now THAT is insidious!

[NeoDobby]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

When was it established that nanite infection was neccesary for full indoctrination?

In the Books/Comics, (Evolution and Retribution I believe), and then it's also suggested in certain audio logs in ME3 and, (if memory serves), ME2.

If you listen to all of the research files in the Cerberus base you'll hear the discovery that Reapers communicate to their victims via signals sent to nanites and, later, implants.

Right, because I had a theory that there were at least two different methods of indoctrination. While certainly nanite/cybernetic indoctrination exists in the lore I'm not convinced that it's the only method. Believe me, there are ways of molding people's psyches without digging in to their grey matter.

So... the Reapers hire forum trolls? Now THAT is insidious!

Of course, it all makes sense now! BW doesn't want us to break the indoctrination they brought upon us, so they keep sending us trolls to lock us up in flamewars to keep us from uncovering the truth!

[Auralius Carolus]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...
Ok, I thought a bit more about "feeling going after a while" - wouldn't that mean the signal would lose it's effectiveness and the target would develop a resistance/immunity?

Either that and the signal has to be boosted, resulting in the organ failures, or it just becomes background stuff you don't really think about.

The long-term effects of Infrasound exposure, (infrasound being the most likely culprit for "humming"), is unknown. It is unlikely, IMHO, that the body can adapt to it, (or ultrasound or EMF).

Certain people have been known to go psychoneurotic from time to time with EMF, and develop chemical/neural/cardiovascular responses to Ultra- and Infra- sonic frequencies, but there aren't a lot of studies.

[byne]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...
Ok, I thought a bit more about "feeling going after a while" - wouldn't that mean the signal would lose it's effectiveness and the target would develop a resistance/immunity?

Either that and the signal has to be boosted, resulting in the organ failures, or it just becomes background stuff you don't really think about.

The long-term effects of Infrasound exposure, (infrasound being the most likely culprit for "humming"), is unknown. It is unlikely, IMHO, that the body can adapt to it, (or ultrasound or EMF).

Certain people have been known to go psychoneurotic from time to time with EMF, and develop chemical/neural/cardiovascular responses to Ultra- and Infra- sonic frequencies, but there aren't a lot of studies.

Wasnt there a Vault in Fallout 3 that broadcast infrasound to try and make everyone inside completely obedient and also hyper-violent?

That was a fun Vault.

[MegumiAzusa]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Humor is a common coping mechanism. And it has already been established the the humming was being emitted by a long cylindrical object that was found vibrating across the weapon's bench down in the cargo bay.

Can you get a screen? Can't find that in any of the saves.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...
Ok, I thought a bit more about "feeling going after a while" - wouldn't that mean the signal would lose it's effectiveness and the target would develop a resistance/immunity?

Either that and the signal has to be boosted, resulting in the organ failures, or it just becomes background stuff you don't really think about.

The long-term effects of Infrasound exposure, (infrasound being the most likely culprit for "humming"), is unknown. It is unlikely, IMHO, that the body can adapt to it, (or ultrasound or EMF).

Certain people have been known to go psychoneurotic from time to time with EMF, and develop chemical/neural/cardiovascular responses to Ultra- and Infra- sonic frequencies, but there aren't a lot of studies.

Wasnt there a Vault in Fallout 3 that broadcast infrasound to try and make everyone inside completely obedient and also hyper-violent?

That was a fun Vault.

Was it called "Reaper Vault"?

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Humor is a common coping mechanism. And it has already been established the the humming was being emitted by a long cylindrical object that was found vibrating across the weapon's bench down in the cargo bay.

Can you get a screen? Can't find that in any of the saves.

OK, if you don't get the joke, I'm not going to explain it.

[Simon_Says]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Humor is a common coping mechanism. And it has already been established the the humming was being emitted by a long cylindrical object that was found vibrating across the weapon's bench down in the cargo bay.

Can you get a screen? Can't find that in any of the saves.

OK, if you don't get the joke, I'm not going to explain it.

Oh dear. We're already getting in-jokes. (I get it by the way.)

Now, normally they're fine. But we really, really don't want to start alienating newcomers or thread irregulars with em. Either don't bring em up or link dat shiz.

[Dwailing]

Simon_Says wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Humor is a common coping mechanism. And it has already been established the the humming was being emitted by a long cylindrical object that was found vibrating across the weapon's bench down in the cargo bay.

Can you get a screen? Can't find that in any of the saves.

OK, if you don't get the joke, I'm not going to explain it.

Oh dear. We're already getting in-jokes. (I get it by the way.)

Now, normally they're fine. But we really, really don't want to start alienating newcomers or thread irregulars with em. Either don't bring em up or link dat shiz.

If the joke is what I think it is, then the reason I'm not going to explain it is that it offends my sensibilities. (ha ha) 

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Humor is a common coping mechanism. And it has already been established the the humming was being emitted by a long cylindrical object that was found vibrating across the weapon's bench down in the cargo bay.

Can you get a screen? Can't find that in any of the saves.

OK, if you don't get the joke, I'm not going to explain it.

To shamlessly steal from the Party Temple thread:

[HellishFiend]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Humor is a common coping mechanism. And it has already been established the the humming was being emitted by a long cylindrical object that was found vibrating across the weapon's bench down in the cargo bay.

Can you get a screen? Can't find that in any of the saves.

OK, if you don't get the joke, I'm not going to explain it.

Also, long term exposure to the object is known to cause bleeding out, and death. 

http://cloud.steampo...9E85E4BF32A3C3/

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Could make sense if you say Shep is indoctrinated too and because of that just jokes about it as she is so accustomed to it. But still the lines where Vega hears his hum, would that go away too? If yes then all are indoctrinated

Humor is a common coping mechanism. And it has already been established the the humming was being emitted by a long cylindrical object that was found vibrating across the weapon's bench down in the cargo bay.

Can you get a screen? Can't find that in any of the saves.

OK, if you don't get the joke, I'm not going to explain it.

... you could have just said he trolled me
And yeah I get it know >.>

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 06 mai 2012 - 02:14 .