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[Dwailing]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I'm starting to think us fans are thinking too much alike. Or maybe its just the Theorists. Either way, it makes coming to the thread even more awesome

We are close to achieving consensus.

[Auralius Carolus]

Dwailing wrote...

Edit: That was refering to your comment about egalitarianism, BTW.

Oh come now Dwailing, the ME universe is full of philosophy. The Reapers, themselves, are the embodiment of Hobbes and his Leviathan mated with a twisted eugenecistic Darwinism.

[Dwailing]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Edit: That was refering to your comment about egalitarianism, BTW.

Oh come now Dwailing, the ME universe is full of philosophy. The Reapers, themselves, are the embodiment of Hobbes and his Leviathan mated with a twisted eugenecistic Darwinism.

Intreguing theory.  Maybe you should start a thread about that and see what others think.  Of course, that's assuming that some of these people would even know who Hobbes is.  I thought I had heard the name before, but it took my looking him up on the Wikipedia to remember exactly who he was, and there are others who would not have the foggiest who you might be refering to.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Edit: That was refering to your comment about egalitarianism, BTW.

Oh come now Dwailing, the ME universe is full of philosophy. The Reapers, themselves, are the embodiment of Hobbes and his Leviathan mated with a twisted eugenecistic Darwinism.

Intreguing theory.  Maybe you should start a thread about that and see what others think.  Of course, that's assuming that some of these people would even know who Hobbes is.  I thought I had heard the name before, but it took my looking him up on the Wikipedia to remember exactly who he was, and there are others who would not have the foggiest who you might be refering to.

As far as I'm concerned, this is, and always shall be Hobbes.

[Auralius Carolus]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I'm starting to think us fans are thinking too much alike. Or maybe its just the Theorists. Either way, it makes coming to the thread even more awesome

I dare say that we are all analytical to some degree and, perhaps, have a taste for mystery. If there was a ME zodiac, Liara would be our symbol.

She first applied her skills as an archaeologist, seeking Prothean mysteries, then as an information broker, sifting through piles of information to discover the really important and valuable stuff.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Oh crap next page is the nuclear apocalypse.

Also Liara is born!


Edit: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO EVERYONE'S FAVORITE REAPER DOOMSDAY DEVICE!

I'd give her cake, but the cake is a lie. 

[byne]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I'm starting to think us fans are thinking too much alike. Or maybe its just the Theorists. Either way, it makes coming to the thread even more awesome

I dare say that we are all analytical to some degree and, perhaps, have a taste for mystery. If there was a ME zodiac, Liara would be our symbol.

She first applied her skills as an archaeologist, seeking Prothean mysteries, then as an information broker, sifting through piles of information to discover the really important and valuable stuff.

"I cant point to any one thing to prove my theory, but I know I'm right." - Dr Liara T'soni. 

[RorickHuon]

Been away for a while. What is the good word

[gunslinger_ruiz]

byne wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Oh crap next page is the nuclear apocalypse.

Also Liara is born!


Edit: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO EVERYONE'S FAVORITE REAPER DOOMSDAY DEVICE!

*image snip since its one or two above this one*

*raises glass* to Liara! You were kinda cold on Ilium but warmed up after the Shadow Broker business. I don't think some of us could do it all without you. *insert drunk tali here* Keelah Se'lai!

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 06 mai 2012 - 03:53 .

[crimsontotem]

hey i am missing like 1000page+ of informations... how was the reaction of this forum when they saw a mention of IT in official survey?

[Auralius Carolus]

Dwailing wrote...

Intreguing theory.  Maybe you should start a thread about that and see what others think.  Of course, that's assuming that some of these people would even know who Hobbes is.  I thought I had heard the name before, but it took my looking him up on the Wikipedia to remember exactly who he was, and there are others who would not have the foggiest who you might be refering to.

I would, but I feel it would come off as being too preachy. But I'll elaborate for Byne, who seemingly thinks Hobbes is an animated Tiger.


Thomas Hobbes, the Leviathan and the Reapers

Hobbes was one of the first political philosophers to spur on the Enlightenment, even though many of his notions would eventually be shunned by such figures as Locke, Buckley, Smith and Burke. He, unlike the aforementioned, believed in the consolidation of power instead of its dispersal, creating the philosophy of the Leviathan.

The Leviathan was to be a political system in which the members of a given society would elect a monarch or a small council, and then willingly invest all of their rights and wills into that figure in order to create a "Mortal God". Those freemen would then become Subjects, having almost no rights and acting without free will unless granted by the new "Sovereign".

The Sovereign would become the embodiment of the nation and could do no injustice to his people, as they had brought it into being. The Sovereign had absolute control over every aspect of life and the Subjects were made "equal" in their drone-like state, but unified as all, philisophically, being one with the Sovereign. To Hobbes, whatever tyrannies committed by the Sovereign were favorable to the "chaos" and "man-against-man" conflict otherwise seen in life.

And the Reapers? Union and absolution through a literal combination of individuals within society into one being; an entire society acting with one soul, with a pledged goal of bringing "order to the chaos". Hobbes refered to this non-social contract form of conquest by the Sovereign as "Natural Law of Force", which- once again- was to protect the Leviathan and bring order to those "warring amongst themselves" within the "chaos".

So, is the kitty like that Byne?

[Big Bad]

Happy birthday, Liara! Here's to a bright future full of beautiful blue babies!

[Dwailing]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Intreguing theory.  Maybe you should start a thread about that and see what others think.  Of course, that's assuming that some of these people would even know who Hobbes is.  I thought I had heard the name before, but it took my looking him up on the Wikipedia to remember exactly who he was, and there are others who would not have the foggiest who you might be refering to.

I would, but I feel it would come off as being too preachy. But I'll elaborate for Byne, who seemingly thinks Hobbes is an animated Tiger.


Thomas Hobbes, the Leviathan and the Reapers

Hobbes was one of the first political philosophers to spur on the Enlightenment, even though many of his notions would eventually be shunned by such figures as Locke, Buckley, Smith and Burke. He, unlike the aforementioned, believed in the consolidation of power instead of its dispersal, creating the philosophy of the Leviathan.

The Leviathan was to be a political system in which the members of a given society would elect a monarch or a small council, and then willingly invest all of their rights and wills into that figure in order to create a "Mortal God". Those freemen would then become Subjects, having almost no rights and acting without free will unless granted by the new "Sovereign".

The Sovereign would become the embodiment of the nation and could do no injustice to his people, as they had brought it into being. The Sovereign had absolute control over every aspect of life and the Subjects were made "equal" in their drone-like state, but unified as all, philisophically, being one with the Sovereign. To Hobbes, whatever tyrannies committed by the Sovereign were favorable to the "chaos" and "man-against-man" conflict otherwise seen in life.

And the Reapers? Union and absolution through a literal combination of individuals within society into one being; an entire society acting with one soul, with a pledged goal of bringing "order to the chaos". Hobbes refered to this non-social contract form of conquest by the Sovereign as "Natural Law of Force", which- once again- was to protect the Leviathan and bring order to those "warring amongst themselves" within the "chaos".

So, is the kitty like that Byne?

I think he was kidding, but I must say, that was a much easier read than the Wikipedia page. 

[Dwailing]

Big Bad wrote...

Happy birthday, Liara! Here's to a bright future full of beautiful blue babies!

And we'll have that bright future, although I think it will be filled with human babies for Ash and I. 

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Intreguing theory.  Maybe you should start a thread about that and see what others think.  Of course, that's assuming that some of these people would even know who Hobbes is.  I thought I had heard the name before, but it took my looking him up on the Wikipedia to remember exactly who he was, and there are others who would not have the foggiest who you might be refering to.

So, is the kitty like that Byne?

I think he was kidding, but I must say, that was a much easier read than the Wikipedia page. 

Yeah, I was kidding. I am aware Hobbes was a philosopher, I just grew up reading Calvin and Hobbes long before I ever became aware of Hobbes the philosopher.

Hobbes the tiger sounds like a much nicer person, anyways. Even if he is just a stuffed tiger.

Plus Calvin and Hobbes gave us this picture, and is thusly far more relevant to my life than any philosopher could ever hope to be:

Modifié par byne, 06 mai 2012 - 04:38 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Dwailing wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Happy birthday, Liara! Here's to a bright future full of beautiful blue babies!

And we'll have that bright future, although I think it will be filled with human babies for Ash and I. 

Be kinda awesome if there was kinda extra scene with a playpen with 1 of each type of baby chillin out, playing together and such.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

random doubel post sorry!

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 06 mai 2012 - 04:38 .

[augustburnt]

At this point I dont even want the IT to be true. Just because it would a last ditch lazy attempt to save face.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

augustburnt wrote...

At this point I dont even want the IT to be true. Just because it would a last ditch lazy attempt to save face.

Unless it's all according to their master plan you mean? We just have to wait and see. And even if they do it as a last ditch attempt, it's Bioware they wont be lazy about it (I hope).

[Dwailing]

OK, I'm off for the night. See you all tomorrow.

[DusalisDrake]

There's too much Liara obsessing going on. We need some Ash lovin' in here...

[augustburnt]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

augustburnt wrote...

At this point I dont even want the IT to be true. Just because it would a last ditch lazy attempt to save face.

Unless it's all according to their master plan you mean? We just have to wait and see. And even if they do it as a last ditch attempt, it's Bioware they wont be lazy about it (I hope).

From the PR tactics and the dev response to the fan outrage, I have no faith in Bioware. 3 games back to back have been fairly disapointing. As far as Bioware not being lazy... DA2 and the writing and some minor things in ME3 just didn't seem to live up to their old standard. Don't get me wrong, Ive thought since I beat the game (the day after release) that there was something suspicious, and I want Bioware to fix the ending. It just seems from the way they have been talking that they really dont care about what the fans say.

[Auralius Carolus]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

augustburnt wrote...

At this point I dont even want the IT to be true. Just because it would a last ditch lazy attempt to save face.

Unless it's all according to their master plan you mean? We just have to wait and see. And even if they do it as a last ditch attempt, it's Bioware they wont be lazy about it (I hope).

The IT inherently presumes a "master plan". If it doesn't exist and is implimented "last ditch", many aspects could then be agrued as lazy with legitimacy.

[augustburnt]

Will return tomorrow... 18 hour day.... sleep.... needed

[gunslinger_ruiz]

I will be looking forward to what happens next regardless. Although I'm the kind of fan who still enjoys their games, either way we will all see how things go and hopefully it goes for the better.