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#51926
Arian Dynas

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Intreguing theory.  Maybe you should start a thread about that and see what others think.  Of course, that's assuming that some of these people would even know who Hobbes is.  I thought I had heard the name before, but it took my looking him up on the Wikipedia to remember exactly who he was, and there are others who would not have the foggiest who you might be refering to.


I would, but I feel it would come off as being too preachy. But I'll elaborate for Byne, who seemingly thinks Hobbes is an animated Tiger.


Thomas Hobbes, the Leviathan and the Reapers

Hobbes was one of the first political philosophers to spur on the Enlightenment, even though many of his notions would eventually be shunned by such figures as Locke, Buckley, Smith and Burke. He, unlike the aforementioned, believed in the consolidation of power instead of its dispersal, creating the philosophy of the Leviathan.

The Leviathan was to be a political system in which the members of a given society would elect a monarch or a small council, and then willingly invest all of their rights and wills into that figure in order to create a "Mortal God". Those freemen would then become Subjects, having almost no rights and acting without free will unless granted by the new "Sovereign".

The Sovereign would become the embodiment of the nation and could do no injustice to his people, as they had brought it into being. The Sovereign had absolute control over every aspect of life and the Subjects were made "equal" in their drone-like state, but unified as all, philisophically, being one with the Sovereign. To Hobbes, whatever tyrannies committed by the Sovereign were favorable to the "chaos" and "man-against-man" conflict otherwise seen in life.

And the Reapers? Union and absolution through a literal combination of individuals within society into one being; an entire society acting with one soul, with a pledged goal of bringing "order to the chaos". Hobbes refered to this non-social contract form of conquest by the Sovereign as "Natural Law of Force", which- once again- was to protect the Leviathan and bring order to those "warring amongst themselves" within the "chaos".

So, is the kitty like that Byne?


I'll just leave this here...

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#51927
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DusalisDrake wrote...

There's too much Liara obsessing going on. We need some Ash lovin' in here...


*snip*


Damn straight! I love me a strong, independent take-no-**** girl

#51928
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Arian Dynas wrote...

DusalisDrake wrote...

There's too much Liara obsessing going on. We need some Ash lovin' in here...


*snip*


Damn straight! I love me a strong, independent take-no-**** girl


I prefer the Ash from the CGI- quiet, trusting, strong but graceful. Ingame Ash? Her character development in ME3 evolves thusly- NAG- NAG- NAG- *coma* NAG- ME1 Sister Reference- ME1 Dad Reference- Done

Modifié par Auralius Carolus, 06 mai 2012 - 05:01 .


#51929
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Arian Dynas wrote...

DusalisDrake wrote...

There's too much Liara obsessing going on. We need some Ash lovin' in here...


*snip*


Damn straight! I love me a strong, independent take-no-**** girl


I Hate Ash......

#51930
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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

DusalisDrake wrote...

There's too much Liara obsessing going on. We need some Ash lovin' in here...


*snip*


Damn straight! I love me a strong, independent take-no-**** girl


I prefer the Ash from the CGI- quiet, trusting, strong but graceful. Ingame Ash? Her character development in ME3 evolves thusly- NAG- NAG- NAG- *coma* NAG- ME1 Sister Reference- ME1 Dad Reference- Done


She apparently sucks at drinking as well.... "Just give me forty minutes commander... uuhhhggg, barf."

#51931
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Arian Dynas wrote...

DusalisDrake wrote...

There's too much Liara obsessing going on. We need some Ash lovin' in here...


*snip*


Damn straight! I love me a strong, independent take-no-**** girl


Yeah, I'm a pretty big fan of Liara too.  :P

Modifié par Big Bad, 06 mai 2012 - 05:17 .


#51932
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You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
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My new favorite evidence right now....

#51933
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HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?
*snip*


Yes we know this but this thread kinda gets side tracked some times .... ooo a butterfly!!!

#51934
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I'm guilty of getting sidetracked on a few occasions myself, but I've only been here since somewhere in the mid 1000s and I've already seen the LI discussion come up at least 3 times. =P

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HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
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My new favorite evidence right now....


The "Dream" word picks my interest ^^

#51936
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HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
*snip*

My new favorite evidence right now....


Ah yes, "Dream Foliage".

But back to the discussion. Tali > Liara and Ash.

#51937
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By the way, a few pages back where there was a discussion on the conversations during the sequence of the Human Proto-Reaper. Notice that the squadmates that state that they felt like they were being watched hadn't been around with Shepard for the most part (They weren't squadmates back in ME2)? With the exception of Javik, but he has spent alot of time around Reapers as well. Garrus and Tali, whom been with Shepard the longest as well as having been in the collector base, doesn't say that they felt like they were being watched.

#51938
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Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
*snip*

My new favorite evidence right now....


Ah yes, "Dream Foliage".

But back to the discussion. Tali > Liara and Ash.


Male LI> Female LI

#51939
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iggy1eco wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
Posted Image

My new favorite evidence right now....


The "Dream" word picks my interest ^^


Except this is just that, the foliage from the dream sequences, reused in the finale. Sorry. :(

#51940
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Rosewind wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
*snip*

My new favorite evidence right now....


Ah yes, "Dream Foliage".

But back to the discussion. Tali > Liara and Ash.


Male LI> Female LI


Harbinger > LI

"I know you feel this."

#51941
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Boradam wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
*snip*

My new favorite evidence right now....


Ah yes, "Dream Foliage".

But back to the discussion. Tali > Liara and Ash.


Male LI> Female LI


Harbinger > LI

"I know you feel this."


Oh yeah baby anyday!!!

#51942
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Rosewind wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
*snip*

My new favorite evidence right now....


Ah yes, "Dream Foliage".

But back to the discussion. Tali > Liara and Ash.


Male LI> Female LI


Ohhhhh! I see what this is now, feminine jealousy! Envious that another woman holds my heart? :P

You vixen you.

#51943
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Rosewind wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
*snip*

My new favorite evidence right now....


Ah yes, "Dream Foliage".

But back to the discussion. Tali > Liara and Ash.


Male LI> Female LI


I AM the Male LI!

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#51944
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Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
*snip*

My new favorite evidence right now....


Ah yes, "Dream Foliage".

But back to the discussion. Tali > Liara and Ash.


Male LI> Female LI


Ohhhhh! I see what this is now, feminine jealousy! Envious that another woman holds my heart? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

You vixen you.


Ash is a women?

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
*snip*

My new favorite evidence right now....


Ah yes, "Dream Foliage".

But back to the discussion. Tali > Liara and Ash.


Male LI> Female LI


I AM the Male LI!

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I think I just vomited alitte......

#51945
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For 42 minutes that has been the most recent post in this thread? Unacceptable!

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#51946
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Hmmmmmm

#51947
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HellishFiend wrote...

For 42 minutes that has been the most recent post in this thread? Unacceptable!

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I leave people speachless that way....

#51948
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Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You guys do know there is an entire forum dedicated to discussion of the LI's, right?

This thread is for stuff like this:
*snip*

My new favorite evidence right now....


Ah yes, "Dream Foliage".

But back to the discussion. Tali < Liara and Ash.


Fixed that for ya Auralius just used a little :alien::wizard:

#51949
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Ch1m3Ra wrote...

By the way, a few pages back where there was a discussion on the conversations during the sequence of the Human Proto-Reaper. Notice that the squadmates that state that they felt like they were being watched hadn't been around with Shepard for the most part (They weren't squadmates back in ME2)? With the exception of Javik, but he has spent alot of time around Reapers as well. Garrus and Tali, whom been with Shepard the longest as well as having been in the collector base, doesn't say that they felt like they were being watched.


No comment? :X

#51950
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Ch1m3Ra wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

By the way, a few pages back where there was a discussion on the conversations during the sequence of the Human Proto-Reaper. Notice that the squadmates that state that they felt like they were being watched hadn't been around with Shepard for the most part (They weren't squadmates back in ME2)? With the exception of Javik, but he has spent alot of time around Reapers as well. Garrus and Tali, whom been with Shepard the longest as well as having been in the collector base, doesn't say that they felt like they were being watched.


No comment? :X


But all showed a great deal of disgust or urgency in its presence. And Garrus made a hospital reference which is a near parallel to James mentioning a graveyard- a sign that both individuals were experiencing an uneasiness.

Having seen and experienced the symptoms of EMF exposure at length, I find nothing out of place here.