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[Rosewind]

It's probably more clearer because of the angle you are taking it and where you taking it from.

[prettz]

maxloef wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

prettz wrote...

maxloef wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The
blurriness of the surroundings post-hit might be to emphasize the
feeling of isolation from the outer reality (i.e. to show that what is
happening is a dream/hallucination/indoctrination). On the Citadel this
effect is unnecessary because the whole scene hints "I'm not real" -
there is no border between real/unreal world. On the Citadel Shepard is
fully immersed in the indoctrination visions.

The Citadel illusion isn't perfect yet, as the tree reflections symbolize.

Sorry,
but there are no tree reflections in the Catalyst area. Those cubemaps
circling on this thread are just unused assets. They don't necessarily
mean nothing but they might have been simply overlooked and left behind
by the dev team.

go back a few pages and you can see
people posting screenshots INGAME where you can see the tree
reflections, its NOT unused assets, even in those cubemaps the trees are
transparent, they are used.

in my eyes its a hint to show you something is off

hear I'll make it wasy and post a pic.  I think this is what being talk aobut
"snip"
http://i.imgur.com/bK9Vv.jpg

Whoah...is it that good in-game or did you alter the screenshot?

that is ingame, usualy its VERY hard to see, but it is there

yes ingame but in a place Shepard cant get to. had flycam on

[Stigweird85]

maxloef wrote...

hear I'll make it wasy and post a pic.  I think this is what being talk aobut

http://i.imgur.com/bK9Vv.jpg

Hmm must have missed this one, the picture seems pretty clear and I don't recall seeing it myself on either playthrough, my photo manipulation alarm bells are ringing but I'll keep an eye out for it next time

edit: If it's flycam then it couild be argued as being reused junk data to fill a gap in the design?(For example they needed something to make the file a certain size to work - I'm just thinking out loud here so don't just shoot it down as silly. Then again, why bother to include reflections on non-present trees at all? Someone at somepoint had to put that there for a reason

Modifié par bigstig, 06 mai 2012 - 02:56 .

[prettz]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...



... I didn't totally get that.. what exactly do I see in the second picture? Is that where the beam starts on earth?

But either way.. look at the faces.. the one with the red/white armor looks rather female, the other rather male...
that's Kaidan and Ashley for me.. I mean it's their default armor in ME1!

yes it's where the beam starts on earth, kind of freaky and it's a place that you can never see if playing the game normally and also the body's are not there before the Harbinger beam.

[Rosewind]

bigstig wrote...

maxloef wrote...

hear I'll make it wasy and post a pic.  I think this is what being talk aobut

http://i.imgur.com/bK9Vv.jpg

Hmm must have missed this one, the picture seems pretty clear and I don't recall seeing it myself on either playthrough, my photo manipulation alarm bells are ringing but I'll keep an eye out for it next time

edit: If it's flycam then it couild be argued as being reused junk data to fill a gap in the design?(For example they needed something to make the file a certain size to work - I'm just thinking out loud here so don't just shoot it down as silly. Then again, why bother to include reflections on non-present trees at all? Someone at somepoint had to put that there for a reason

He said it is in an area where he had to use flycam.

[SubAstris]

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

prettz wrote...

-snip-

Very likely just for effect. There is very little to add to IT from here

Sorry... what? Just for effect? That is a pathetic argument. There is absolutely zero reason for the trees to be there. It adds to IT as it provides a dream-like state. I seriously don't know how you can think that.

The fact that we can all agree on is that the first screenshot is from a time before the second, I assume when you first undertake the final assault. BW didn't put any trees or detail like that because it is frankly not needed at the time. It is only needed for post-Harbinger phase to create an atmosphere of sorts. Why waste polygons on shrubs and trees before they are needed?

What makes you think the trees are not needed? How do you know? Why would it be needed after then? And what atmosphere was it suppose to create? If you choose "dream-like state" then you are finally on the right track. If not, then you cannot be taken seriously.

False dichotomy

[MegumiAzusa]

bigstig wrote...

edit: If it's flycam then it couild be argued as being reused junk data to fill a gap in the design?(For example they needed something to make the file a certain size to work - I'm just thinking out loud here so don't just shoot it down as silly.

That's just silly

bigstig wrote...

Then again, why bother to include reflections on non-present trees at all? Someone at somepoint had to put that there for a reason

That is the point, also there are 3 different versions of it, so they really focused on it to get it right. You can see it ingame without flycam but not as easy, again my example:

There are so many things in ME3 that are only recognized on either a subconscious level or when really looking for it it would be stupid to just write it off as a leftover.

[maxloef]

and the subconcious part is what makes the indoctrination theory so intresting for me

[Ch1m3Ra]

SubAstris wrote...

False dichotomy

Point still stands.

[Ch1m3Ra]

And @prettz

You're an amazing source of screenshots.

[Uncle Jo]

prettz wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...



... I didn't totally get that.. what exactly do I see in the second picture? Is that where the beam starts on earth?

But either way.. look at the faces.. the one with the red/white armor looks rather female, the other rather male...
that's Kaidan and Ashley for me.. I mean it's their default armor in ME1!

yes it's where the beam starts on earth, kind of freaky and it's a place that you can never see if playing the game normally and also the body's are not there before the Harbinger beam.

These are awesome screenshots you got here ! Yet some could argue that if it's not in areas you can reach while playing "normal", it's too well hidden and therefore doesn't really count as IT clue... They could be right, but I don't think BioWare was "lazy" to this point (remove the trees in the Starbrat's room and forget about their reflexion on the floor for example) and knows well that fly-cam is widely used by players. So clue for the hardcore and passionate "truth"-detectives or "rushed" ending ? We'll know soon enough but I'm going personally for the first option...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 06 mai 2012 - 03:10 .

[SubAstris]

Rifneno wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

It is frankly on par with the space magic which caused Shepard to be resurrected

Not even remotely true. Given that the Reapers can pretty much mind control every known organic species, it's fair to say that their billion years of existence have taught them a few things about the way brains work. Remember that scene where the scientist says that "for whatever good it's worth" Shepard's helmet kept his brain in tact? That's all they need. As long as Cerberus, who we know has always had a stiffy for Reaper tech, can save his memories and such from that in-tact brain then it's doable. Everything else is unimportant. It can be cloned or made with tissue from poor saps that Miranda tricked into a date and then murdered (anyone else got an explanation for her shadow broker dossier?). The brain is all that's truly important. They had the brain in-tact and they study the tech of a species that knows everything there is to know about brains.

I can't seem to come up with anything to explain a galaxywide reworking of the most basic levels of life, even leaving everyone unharmed but with printed circuitry on their skin. Seriously, printed circuitry? It's like they're trying to tell us how retardedly impossible that ending is.

It is still unknown whether Shepard has had Reaper implants, it is never explicity said. But even so, to us it is still "space magic" just as synthesis is. And the fact that his helmet,designed for combat not planetary re-entry, kept his head intact is an another example of it

If you don't like how BW implemented it, fair enough. Don't say they didn't though. How else would they show that synthesis worked anywa? It seems to me that a lot of your evidence stems from your dislike of what BW implemented rather than evidence for IT per ese

[paxxton]

I just saw Major Coates lying dead in front of the beam !!!

Modifié par paxxton, 06 mai 2012 - 03:10 .

[SubAstris]

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

False dichotomy

Point still stands.

No it doesn't. You assume that everything you say is correct, and everything I say isn't. That isn't conducive to good discussion.

[SubAstris]

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

This is coming from someone who believes the scene after Shepard has chosen is practically useless. Right...

This coming from someone who believes that the greatest sci-fi/RPG of the era, heavily backed by real science, ended with a guy turning everyone in the galaxy into a cyborg, to the point where leaves have printed circuitry on them, by jumping into a beam.

It is frankly on par with the space magic which caused Shepard to be resurrected

Go make a new thread, asking weither Shepard being resurrected is equivalent to the Synthesis "space magic". What responce do you think you'll get? Actually just make the thread. You'll see from both sides what their views are.

I'm looking to see what people's views are, nor do I want it to turn into a popularity contest. My point still stands

[SubAstris]

Doesn't any ITer find it weird that in the leaked script there was no indication of IT being true? Surely that would contain the "real ending", as it did all the rest of the game, but it didn't.

[Epantiras]

paxxton wrote...

I just saw Major Coates lying dead in front of the beam !!!

In my first playthrough I thought I saw him as well... then I dismissed it as a "ah yes Bioware is re-using face models" thing. Can somebody verify this?

[MaximizedAction]

SubAstris wrote...

Doesn't any ITer find it weird that in the leaked script there was no indication of IT being true?
Surely that would contain the "real ending", as it did all the rest of the game, but it didn't.

Doesn't any Anti-ITer ever consider that 'leaks' nowadays might not always be leaks in the classical sense, but sometimes intended?

I work as a network admin and trust me, it's very much so possible to track the source of the leak back (firewall logs, who plugged in what USB stick where), so finding out what user did it when is easy!
And since the employee had to sign a NDA, they are prob. done with Bioware after the leak is tracked back to them.

So, I'm having a hard time imagining that all those employees are so suicidal and leak company property so often. It's not like the finding a new job is a triviallity in comparison to being a troll and leak a script/beta to the public.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 06 mai 2012 - 03:27 .

[paxxton]

Epantiras wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I just saw Major Coates lying dead in front of the beam !!!

In my first playthrough I thought I saw him as well... then I dismissed it as a "ah yes Bioware is re-using face models" thing. Can somebody verify this?

They wouldn't reuse a face of a major character for a random dead body.

Besides, I took Garrus and James on the final push to the beam.  But they are nowhere to be found in front of the beam. On my other playthrough Garrus lay there. On this one only two Major Coates. Two!? And at the same time he speaks on the comm device? This weirdness must be a hint.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 mai 2012 - 03:34 .

[SubAstris]

MaximizedAction wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Doesn't any ITer find it weird that in the leaked script there was no indication of IT being true?
Surely that would contain the "real ending", as it did all the rest of the game, but it didn't.

Doesn't any Anti-ITer ever consider that 'leaks' nowadays might not always be leaks in the classical sense, but sometimes intended?

I work as a network admin and trust me, it's very much so possible to track the source of the leak back (firewall logs, who plugged in what USB stick where), so finding out what user did it when is easy!
And since the employee had to sign a NDA, they are prob. done with Bioware after the leak is tracked back to them.

So, I'm having a hard time imagining that all those employees are so suicidal and leak company property so often. It's not like the finding a new job is a triviallity in comparison to being a troll and leak a script/beta to the public.

I agree that sometimes things are "convenientlym leaked". However, that does not mean it is the case here. And even if intended, why not go the whole hog and include the real ending?

[Ch1m3Ra]

SubAstris wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

False dichotomy

Point still stands.

No it doesn't. You assume that everything you say is correct, and everything I say isn't. That isn't conducive to good discussion.

I asked you four questions. I had never stated at all that I was correct. Neither did I state that you weren't. You avoid questions and give faulty answers. To be honest almost everything with you was never conducive. Why give that now.

[Ch1m3Ra]

SubAstris wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

This is coming from someone who believes the scene after Shepard has chosen is practically useless. Right...

This coming from someone who believes that the greatest sci-fi/RPG of the era, heavily backed by real science, ended with a guy turning everyone in the galaxy into a cyborg, to the point where leaves have printed circuitry on them, by jumping into a beam.

It is frankly on par with the space magic which caused Shepard to be resurrected

Go make a new thread, asking weither Shepard being resurrected is equivalent to the Synthesis "space magic". What responce do you think you'll get? Actually just make the thread. You'll see from both sides what their views are.

I'm looking to see what people's views are, nor do I want it to turn into a popularity contest. My point still stands

You can find out other people's views when making a new thread as well. Unbias opinions outside of IT. If you were ever going to use that as an excuse.

[Ch1m3Ra]

SubAstris wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Doesn't any ITer find it weird that in the leaked script there was no indication of IT being true?
Surely that would contain the "real ending", as it did all the rest of the game, but it didn't.

Doesn't any Anti-ITer ever consider that 'leaks' nowadays might not always be leaks in the classical sense, but sometimes intended?

I work as a network admin and trust me, it's very much so possible to track the source of the leak back (firewall logs, who plugged in what USB stick where), so finding out what user did it when is easy!
And since the employee had to sign a NDA, they are prob. done with Bioware after the leak is tracked back to them.

So, I'm having a hard time imagining that all those employees are so suicidal and leak company property so often. It's not like the finding a new job is a triviallity in comparison to being a troll and leak a script/beta to the public.

I agree that sometimes things are "convenientlym leaked". However, that does not mean it is the case here. And even if intended, why not go the whole hog and include the real ending?

The leaked scripts were all text were they not? Can you figure out if Shepard was getting indoctrinated through there? Because I don't think most if not all of the evidence from IT is from dialogue, merely the strangeness of it...

[marcelo_sdk]

I finished the game for the second time, now with IT in mind I really was bugged by some things that I know had been discussed before in this topic. But just to note my impressions:

1 - It's very strange the final shuttle scene. There is a suddenly bump, then the screen goes black and return in the ground. I'm really considering the hypothesis that the hallucination/indoctrination began at that point. Also strange is that Major Coats was in the shuttle, and after Harbinger's beam, he is alive as he didn't take part in the final charge.

2 - TIM quote, "I need you to believe" it's very suspicious. Why he needs Shepard to believe that control is possible? Also, when you say "open the arms and let the Crucible dock", he says a reluctant "I will".

[DirtyPhoenix]

paxxton wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I just saw Major Coates lying dead in front of the beam !!!

In my first playthrough I thought I saw him as well... then I dismissed it as a "ah yes Bioware is re-using face models" thing. Can somebody verify this?

They wouldn't reuse a face of a major character for a random dead body.

Besides, I took Garrus and James on the final push to the beam.  But they are nowhere to be found in front of the beam. On my other playthrough Garrus lay there. On this one only two Major Coates. Two!? And at the same time he speaks on the comm device? This weirdness must be a hint.

In my last playthrough I decided to note what happens to my team mates as I rust towards the beam; I saw they stop following you after you cross a certain invisible line, they just stand there as if their batteries ran out