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[MaximizedAction]

pirate1802 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I just saw Major Coates lying dead in front of the beam !!!

In my first playthrough I thought I saw him as well... then I dismissed it as a "ah yes Bioware is re-using face models" thing. Can somebody verify this?

They wouldn't reuse a face of a major character for a random dead body.

Besides, I took Garrus and James on the final push to the beam.  But they are nowhere to be found in front of the beam. On my other playthrough Garrus lay there. On this one only two Major Coates. Two!? And at the same time he speaks on the comm device? This weirdness must be a hint.

In my last playthrough I decided to note what happens to my team mates as I rust towards the beam; I saw they stop following you after you cross a certain invisible line, they just stand there as if their batteries ran out

This is probably where the deleted scene would've been triggered where you see them getting shot by Harb.

[DirtyPhoenix]

While taking with EDI about how reapers are asking the earth leaders to enter their ships to negotiate; Shepard replies: anyone aboard the reapers can be indoctrinated. This, to me, is clearly devised to plant a seed of doubt into the players; the player would think back to the reaper IFF mission.

[DirtyPhoenix]

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I just saw Major Coates lying dead in front of the beam !!!

In my first playthrough I thought I saw him as well... then I dismissed it as a "ah yes Bioware is re-using face models" thing. Can somebody verify this?

They wouldn't reuse a face of a major character for a random dead body.

Besides, I took Garrus and James on the final push to the beam.  But they are nowhere to be found in front of the beam. On my other playthrough Garrus lay there. On this one only two Major Coates. Two!? And at the same time he speaks on the comm device? This weirdness must be a hint.

In my last playthrough I decided to note what happens to my team mates as I rust towards the beam; I saw they stop following you after you cross a certain invisible line, they just stand there as if their batteries ran out

This is probably where the deleted scene would've been triggered where you see them getting shot by Harb.

Well for one thing I'm glad that scene was taken out. The only thing worse than the current ending would be seeing your LI getting shot before the current ending :|

[prettz]

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

And @prettz

You're an amazing source of screenshots.

haha thanks, I whent overbord and have up to 8000 screenshots of the whole game[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

Uncle Jo wrote...

prettz wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...



... I didn't totally get that.. what exactly do I see in the second picture? Is that where the beam starts on earth?

But either way.. look at the faces.. the one with the red/white armor looks rather female, the other rather male...
that's Kaidan and Ashley for me.. I mean it's their default armor in ME1!

yes
it's where the beam starts on earth, kind of freaky and it's a place
that you can never see if playing the game normally and also the body's
are not there before the Harbinger beam. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

These
are awesome screenshots you got here ! Yet some could argue that if
it's not in areas you can reach while playing "normal", it's too well
hidden and therefore doesn't really count as IT clue... They could be
right, but I don't think BioWare was "lazy" to this point (remove the
trees in the Starbrat's room and forget about their reflexion on the
floor for example) and knows well that fly-cam is widely used by
players. So clue for the hardcore and passionate "truth"-detectives or
"rushed" ending ? We'll know soon enough but I'm going personally for
the first option...

thanks, what you say has crossed my mind, still these are clues I have found and present them with the hopes that it's useful and to see if it passes scrutiny and is considered relevant or not, it's also fun. for now their are lots of ideas coming forth and once the truth is reviled all but one idea well die. this could be a one time thing, others who play mass effect for the first time years from now well not experience it, only hear about it. of course depending how this all ends they might be grateful about that. I hope in the end, they are jealous:D

ok time for some sleep-_-

[paxxton]

I've checked the ingame Catalyst scene. There are no trees' reflections on the ramps. I think making up evidence is not the best way to support IT. Stay focused.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 mai 2012 - 04:12 .

[IronSabbath88]

VA's are confirmed to be in the EC.. BioWare said they wanted to make sure enough people finished ME3 to comment.. to think that they may not have had this planned for a long time is downright absurd to me.

Here's how I think of it. They had the groundwork for the IT set in stone before the game released. There was no question it'd be done, however, they wanted everyone to experience the ending first before they did anything about it. After that, THEN they start focusing all their attention on wrapping up the story. This way they don't have to worry about a deadline and such and are free to fine tune this as much as possible to make sure it's the very best it can be.

I don't see why people don't want it that way..

[MaximizedAction]

pirate1802 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I just saw Major Coates lying dead in front of the beam !!!

In my first playthrough I thought I saw him as well... then I dismissed it as a "ah yes Bioware is re-using face models" thing. Can somebody verify this?

They wouldn't reuse a face of a major character for a random dead body.

Besides, I took Garrus and James on the final push to the beam.  But they are nowhere to be found in front of the beam. On my other playthrough Garrus lay there. On this one only two Major Coates. Two!? And at the same time he speaks on the comm device? This weirdness must be a hint.

In my last playthrough I decided to note what happens to my team mates as I rust towards the beam; I saw they stop following you after you cross a certain invisible line, they just stand there as if their batteries ran out

This is probably where the deleted scene would've been triggered where you see them getting shot by Harb.

Well for one thing I'm glad that scene was taken out. The only thing worse than the current ending would be seeing your LI getting shot before the current ending :|

Yes, but then seeing your LI or one of the final squadmates stepping out of the Normandy in the final shot would've made it easier to interpretate the crash as a dream!
Thus probably causing less speculations. That is maybe, why they decided to remove it.


And regarding your previous post about the dialog with EDI about indoctrination.
It's like talking to your friend about how your neighbor is always trash-talking everyone else...

That in general is to me how indoc. is treated throughout the game by characters...it's always someone else...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 06 mai 2012 - 04:13 .

[Unschuld]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

VA's are confirmed to be in the EC.. BioWare said they wanted to make sure enough people finished ME3 to comment.. to think that they may not have had this planned for a long time is downright absurd to me.

Here's how I think of it. They had the groundwork for the IT set in stone before the game released. There was no question it'd be done, however, they wanted everyone to experience the ending first before they did anything about it. After that, THEN they start focusing all their attention on wrapping up the story. This way they don't have to worry about a deadline and such and are free to fine tune this as much as possible to make sure it's the very best it can be.

I don't see why people don't want it that way..

I could see this as a valid possibility. I could also see it being used as a tool to show EA, "See? When we ask for more time for polish and don't get it, THIS is what happens."

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

I've checked the ingame Catalyst scene. There are no trees' reflections on the ramps. I think making up evidence is not the best way to support IT. Stay focused.

We're not making up evidence.  There is a cube map for the trees, and almost all of us have seen the reflections.

[IronSabbath88]

Unschuld wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

VA's are confirmed to be in the EC.. BioWare said they wanted to make sure enough people finished ME3 to comment.. to think that they may not have had this planned for a long time is downright absurd to me.

Here's how I think of it. They had the groundwork for the IT set in stone before the game released. There was no question it'd be done, however, they wanted everyone to experience the ending first before they did anything about it. After that, THEN they start focusing all their attention on wrapping up the story. This way they don't have to worry about a deadline and such and are free to fine tune this as much as possible to make sure it's the very best it can be.

I don't see why people don't want it that way..

I could see this as a valid possibility. I could also see it being used as a tool to show EA, "See? When we ask for more time for polish and don't get it, THIS is what happens."

Perhaps, but for as much crap as people like to talk about EA, the game WAS pushed back. I think it's more about BioWare pulling off this "social experiment" as I like to call it to see if they could successfully indoctrinate their fanbase.

... to much hatred.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

I've checked the ingame Catalyst scene. There are no trees' reflections on the ramps. I think making up evidence is not the best way to support IT. Stay focused.

So how do you explain my screenshot then?

[DJBare]

paxxton wrote...

I've checked the ingame Catalyst scene. There are no trees' reflections on the ramps. I think making up evidence is not the best way to support IT. Stay focused.

I can vouch they are in the scene, you have to move around to notice them, get the angles so that the reflections show up.

[MaximizedAction]

Unschuld wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

VA's are confirmed to be in the EC.. BioWare said they wanted to make sure enough people finished ME3 to comment.. to think that they may not have had this planned for a long time is downright absurd to me.

Here's how I think of it. They had the groundwork for the IT set in stone before the game released. There was no question it'd be done, however, they wanted everyone to experience the ending first before they did anything about it. After that, THEN they start focusing all their attention on wrapping up the story. This way they don't have to worry about a deadline and such and are free to fine tune this as much as possible to make sure it's the very best it can be.

I don't see why people don't want it that way..

I could see this as a valid possibility. I could also see it being used as a tool to show EA, "See? When we ask for more time for polish and don't get it, THIS is what happens."

Haha, this reminds me of an episode of BSG. The new BSG was a quite dark story, so SciFi approached the producers to maybe include a more uplifting element to the plot.
So they included a birthday party for a random Viper pilot in the Galactica hangar. But the party got interrupted when a rocket got loose and flew right into the birthday kid.

It was said in the commentary, that the SciFi channel pretty much got the message: let the prod. handle the story.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 06 mai 2012 - 04:24 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Ok an offtopic question to whoever may have expertise in these: I started a new game and wanted to experience the (dis)pleasure of shooting Mordin in the shroud. The thing is, according to the default story eve dies and Wreav is in charge, so it is easy to convince Mordin to back down. I wanted to have a solid reason to shoot Mordin, so I edited the saves to save Maelon's data. I figured that would mean eve would survive and Mordin wont back down. But when i reached that point the same default story plays out, eve is dead etc tec.

So my question is, what do I have to do to make it happen and do I have to do it at any specific point? Or is there no way to do it in the defalt shep and I have to import a shep with the appropriate variables?

[Unschuld]

IronSabbath88 wrote...
Perhaps, but for as much crap as people like to talk about EA, the game WAS pushed back. I think it's more about BioWare pulling off this "social experiment" as I like to call it to see if they could successfully indoctrinate their fanbase.

... to much hatred.

Yeah, but it was only like what, three months? The development cycle of the game was still shorter than ME2 with the date pushed back to March 6.

I think if this all was a social experiment to "indoctrinate" the fanbase, I would applaude it and see it as brilliant. Too bad a great deal of people DON'T like that sort of thing, apparently. Regardless if that was their intention or not, I'd say it backfired, which makes me sad.

[IronSabbath88]

Unschuld wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...
Perhaps, but for as much crap as people like to talk about EA, the game WAS pushed back. I think it's more about BioWare pulling off this "social experiment" as I like to call it to see if they could successfully indoctrinate their fanbase.

... to much hatred.

Yeah, but it was only like what, three months? The development cycle of the game was still shorter than ME2 with the date pushed back to March 6.

I think if this all was a social experiment to "indoctrinate" the fanbase, I would applaude it and see it as brilliant. Too bad a great deal of people DON'T like that sort of thing, apparently. Regardless if that was their intention or not, I'd say it backfired, which makes me sad.

Oh, it definitely backfired regardless.

Even if they only planned for some fun speculation, that backfired too. The majority of the fanbase has really shown its true colours, if you ask me. It's like a good chunk of them just decided that BioWare did them wrong and are the worst now.

[DirtyPhoenix]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

VA's are confirmed to be in the EC.. BioWare said they wanted to make sure enough people finished ME3 to comment.. to think that they may not have had this planned for a long time is downright absurd to me.

Here's how I think of it. They had the groundwork for the IT set in stone before the game released. There was no question it'd be done, however, they wanted everyone to experience the ending first before they did anything about it. After that, THEN they start focusing all their attention on wrapping up the story. This way they don't have to worry about a deadline and such and are free to fine tune this as much as possible to make sure it's the very best it can be.

I don't see why people don't want it that way..

I'm ready to accept Bioware as my gods if all this was indeed preplanned. BTW, any links for the confirmation? Not doubting you just want to strengthen my faith

[Ch1m3Ra]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

VA's are confirmed to be in the EC.. BioWare said they wanted to make sure enough people finished ME3 to comment.. to think that they may not have had this planned for a long time is downright absurd to me.

Here's how I think of it. They had the groundwork for the IT set in stone before the game released. There was no question it'd be done, however, they wanted everyone to experience the ending first before they did anything about it. After that, THEN they start focusing all their attention on wrapping up the story. This way they don't have to worry about a deadline and such and are free to fine tune this as much as possible to make sure it's the very best it can be.

I don't see why people don't want it that way..

I could see this as a valid possibility. I could also see it being used as a tool to show EA, "See? When we ask for more time for polish and don't get it, THIS is what happens."

Perhaps, but for as much crap as people like to talk about EA, the game WAS pushed back. I think it's more about BioWare pulling off this "social experiment" as I like to call it to see if they could successfully indoctrinate their fanbase.

... to much hatred.

Hah. Yes actually. One of my own reasonings as to why Bioware would do such a thing is to screw EA. But that is hard to say; with no real evidence. But really they could have used more time. I've heard people saying Bioware asked for 6 months but got 3? Many things could have been done in 3 months.

[MegumiAzusa]

I fiddled a bit with colors and contrast to make the leaves easier to see:
Original:

Edited version:

[SS2Dante]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I've checked the ingame Catalyst scene. There are no trees' reflections on the ramps. I think making up evidence is not the best way to support IT. Stay focused.

So how do you explain my screenshot then?

Yeah, paxxton so far we've had the cubemaps and 3 independantly sourced screenshots showing the tree reflections in game. Arguing the point seems futile at this stage.

[MaximizedAction]

pirate1802 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

VA's are confirmed to be in the EC.. BioWare said they wanted to make sure enough people finished ME3 to comment.. to think that they may not have had this planned for a long time is downright absurd to me.

Here's how I think of it. They had the groundwork for the IT set in stone before the game released. There was no question it'd be done, however, they wanted everyone to experience the ending first before they did anything about it. After that, THEN they start focusing all their attention on wrapping up the story. This way they don't have to worry about a deadline and such and are free to fine tune this as much as possible to make sure it's the very best it can be.

I don't see why people don't want it that way..

I'm ready to accept Bioware as my gods if all this was indeed preplanned. BTW, any links for the confirmation? Not doubting you just want to strengthen my faith

https://twitter.com/...035499128696832

[SubAstris]

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Doesn't any ITer find it weird that in the leaked script there was no indication of IT being true?
Surely that would contain the "real ending", as it did all the rest of the game, but it didn't.

Doesn't any Anti-ITer ever consider that 'leaks' nowadays might not always be leaks in the classical sense, but sometimes intended?

I work as a network admin and trust me, it's very much so possible to track the source of the leak back (firewall logs, who plugged in what USB stick where), so finding out what user did it when is easy!
And since the employee had to sign a NDA, they are prob. done with Bioware after the leak is tracked back to them.

So, I'm having a hard time imagining that all those employees are so suicidal and leak company property so often. It's not like the finding a new job is a triviallity in comparison to being a troll and leak a script/beta to the public.

I agree that sometimes things are "convenientlym leaked". However, that does not mean it is the case here. And even if intended, why not go the whole hog and include the real ending?

The leaked scripts were all text were they not? Can you figure out if Shepard was getting indoctrinated through there? Because I don't think most if not all of the evidence from IT is from dialogue, merely the strangeness of it...

I was referring more to dialogue, scenes after you make your choice...

[SubAstris]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

VA's are confirmed to be in the EC.. BioWare said they wanted to make sure enough people finished ME3 to comment.. to think that they may not have had this planned for a long time is downright absurd to me.

Here's how I think of it. They had the groundwork for the IT set in stone before the game released. There was no question it'd be done, however, they wanted everyone to experience the ending first before they did anything about it. After that, THEN they start focusing all their attention on wrapping up the story. This way they don't have to worry about a deadline and such and are free to fine tune this as much as possible to make sure it's the very best it can be.

I don't see why people don't want it that way..

What?

Not to mention it is a potentially disastrous marketing move on a game that EA knows would make a big profit anyway.

[SubAstris]

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

VA's are confirmed to be in the EC.. BioWare said they wanted to make sure enough people finished ME3 to comment.. to think that they may not have had this planned for a long time is downright absurd to me.

Here's how I think of it. They had the groundwork for the IT set in stone before the game released. There was no question it'd be done, however, they wanted everyone to experience the ending first before they did anything about it. After that, THEN they start focusing all their attention on wrapping up the story. This way they don't have to worry about a deadline and such and are free to fine tune this as much as possible to make sure it's the very best it can be.

I don't see why people don't want it that way..

I'm ready to accept Bioware as my gods if all this was indeed preplanned. BTW, any links for the confirmation? Not doubting you just want to strengthen my faith

https://twitter.com/...035499128696832

How exactly is this evidence for preplanned IT?

[IronSabbath88]

SubAstris wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

VA's are confirmed to be in the EC.. BioWare said they wanted to make sure enough people finished ME3 to comment.. to think that they may not have had this planned for a long time is downright absurd to me.

Here's how I think of it. They had the groundwork for the IT set in stone before the game released. There was no question it'd be done, however, they wanted everyone to experience the ending first before they did anything about it. After that, THEN they start focusing all their attention on wrapping up the story. This way they don't have to worry about a deadline and such and are free to fine tune this as much as possible to make sure it's the very best it can be.

I don't see why people don't want it that way..

I'm ready to accept Bioware as my gods if all this was indeed preplanned. BTW, any links for the confirmation? Not doubting you just want to strengthen my faith

https://twitter.com/...035499128696832

How exactly is this evidence for preplanned IT?

He asked for a link to the confirmation of VA's... if you paid attention.