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[tuzem2]

Okay, I'm going to bed now to sleep on the problem and obtain the solution in the process

[lookingglassmind]

Thanks, guys, for pointing out my mistake!

But the question still stands about the Destroy option. And understanding Synthesis in general.

Thanks.

[MammaenDin]

The main problem I have with indoctrination is, why would the child even present destroying the reapers as an option...why not leave that part out? Makes no sense at all to reveal that last possibility, why not just present two option, or present only one option and say that it's destroying the reapers, while it really is just dying...

Also, if it's a hallucination from before entering the beam, how does Shepard affect anything at all? If he never enters the Citadel, how can he use the Crucibel?

Another thing is, when the reapers know that the Citadel is the key to destroying them, why the would they close it, only to add a beam to enter it? Why not just close it and kill everything?

Even if it's a hallucination, I still feel there are huge plotholes :|

[N3vDawg]

Evindell wrote...

My brother just sent me this text:

'Mass Effect 3 is the Mass Effect I've been waiting for since the first one. It harkens back more to the first one than 2 did. I care more about the conversations than I did in 2, and the cinematics are ****ing awesome. I love having Liara back too.'

It was hard to reply without giving away the fact that I am pissed off about the ending. My brother would never forgive me if I even gave him a hint of what was to come. But I feel like I'm being dishonest by not warning him.

I know exactly what his reaction will be. My brother will not be pleased...

Just refer him to this thread. That's what I did for all my friends and they seem happier with the ending now. I sure was.

[MJF JD]

or maybe everyone who picked destroy gets to finish the ending right but only those who put in a ton of work got the teaser that maybe we are all being indoctrinated/trolled by bioware

[Bigdoser]

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I thought you only got the shephard breathing at the end of destroy? i had 5000+ EMS and chose synthesis and Anderson died (or at least passed out) and Shephard died.

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I was meant to say that to get the shepard breathing scene from the destory ending you need 4000 ems if you "saved" anderson if you did not you need 5000+ ems. That scene with shepard breathing only plays in the destory ending since the other two kills shepard. 

[Zyrious]

There is so much damn reaching in this thread that you could do a case study on it and win the nobel for your thesis. This is rediculous guys. Let's be honest, for whatever reason, Walters thought this ending was the best. Maybe he thought it was "edgy". If they were going for the indoctrination angle, the resolution would be in the game. INTENTFULLY saving the endings for DLC would bring about the greatest **** storm ever seen in history.

They just made bad endings. They fumbled the ball at the 1 yard line. Lets just hope they decide to fix it. Personally i'd just be happy with a proper epilogue, DA:O style even.

Modifié par Zyrious, 12 mars 2012 - 11:01 .

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Also, this may be a minor thing but:

Isnt it convenient how the synthesis option is the middle one and flashiest one? Making it SEEM like the right one, and seem EASY. You just need to go forward into the flashing light and "surender" yourself.

The control option is also easy, by being flashy and stuff and kinda close.

The destroy option is not only slow and put away. As other people pointed out its dark, hiddenlike and you have to use force/effort to "use that option".

At this point I'm willing to bet a kidney that the indoctination-hallucination theory is correct. And that Bioware will release a free couple-of-hours DLC proper ending at some point. Free because if Bioware charged money for it they would ruin their reputation forever.

As said, this is either going to be the worst or best ending in gaming history. It all comes down to this.

[FugitiveMind]

Evindell wrote...

My brother just sent me this text:

'Mass Effect 3 is the Mass Effect I've been waiting for since the first one. It harkens back more to the first one than 2 did. I care more about the conversations than I did in 2, and the cinematics are ****ing awesome. I love having Liara back too.'

It was hard to reply without giving away the fact that I am pissed off about the ending. My brother would never forgive me if I even gave him a hint of what was to come. But I feel like I'm being dishonest by not warning him.

I know exactly what his reaction will be. My brother will not be pleased...

What sucks the most--for my brother--is he would never spend this much time (as I have) trying to justify the ending. He'll just throw his game across the room.

Having the same issue with my wife...

She knows I'm seriously angry about it, but that's about it. It's going to get ugly around here when she finishes.

[N3vDawg]

MammaenDin wrote...

The main problem I have with indoctrination is, why would the child even present destroying the reapers as an option...why not leave that part out? Makes no sense at all to reveal that last possibility, why not just present two option, or present only one option and say that it's destroying the reapers, while it really is just dying...

Also, if it's a hallucination from before entering the beam, how does Shepard affect anything at all? If he never enters the Citadel, how can he use the Crucibel?

Another thing is, when the reapers know that the Citadel is the key to destroying them, why the would they close it, only to add a beam to enter it? Why not just close it and kill everything?

Even if it's a hallucination, I still feel there are huge plotholes :|

None of this is happening. Most likely the reapers weren't destroyed. So... it was in shepards head.

[Miss Vader]

The control option is appealing to renegade shep, synthesis is appealing to paragon shep- destroy option is the only option not appealing at all, there go, the good ending

[SwiftMustache]

I like this. It make sense.

[kyg_20X6]

lil_89 wrote...

Yes, so why is Destroy the hardest and simplest to get. Also all the vids I've watched, godchild says different things about destroy to different Sheps, and different Sheps respond to it differently, which is kind of wierd

http://social.biowar...423/206#9834468

[tuzem2]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Also, this may be a minor thing but:

Isnt it convenient how the synthesis option is the middle one and flashiest one? Making it SEEM like the right one, and seem EASY. You just need to go forward into the flashing light and "surender" yourself.

The control option is also easy, by being flashy and stuff and kinda close.

The destroy option is not only slow and put away. As other people pointed out its dark, hiddenlike and you have to use force/effort to "use that option".

At this point I'm willing to bet a kidney that the indoctination-hallucination theory is correct. And that Bioware will release a free couple-of-hours DLC proper ending at some point. Free because if Bioware charged money for it they would ruin their reputation forever.

As said, this is either going to be the worst or best ending in gaming history. It all comes down to this.

All I think it's the best ending already - has any other game made think so much about its story?

[Obidex]

Not to mention, that Grandpappy and starchild talk about telling one more story about the Shepard.

[ceruleancrescent]

N3vDawg wrote...

Turtlicious wrote...

I just PM'd Byne with...

16 The Shep Voice Theory

17 The Anderson Dillema

18 The Whisp Mystery.

Can you forward this to me? I'd like to have a read. Thanks

Me too please 

[insaner2play]

Traderjoeeeee wrote...

I don't know if this has been mentioned..

The ending is indoctrination. The starchild's voice is not only of the child's voice.. but that of both the FemShep and MaleShep. You can hear it very clearly with headphones..

Which makes the ending that much more fascinating if you believe the indoctrination theory to be true... it'd make it seem like the Reaper(s) was/were using Commander Shepard's own "small still voice" to voice their agenda to him.. to make him believe that control and synthesis were the key to peace and victory..where in hindsight they are exactly what the Reapers want.

It's incredible really.

Of course, I could be just grasping onto some false hope.. indoctrinating myself into thinking that the ending truly wasn't as bad as it was.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard both voices during the kid's speech. I post about it earlier, but got no response and made me think I was just hearing things.

[lookingglassmind]

ceruleancrescent wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

Turtlicious wrote...

I just PM'd Byne with...

16 The Shep Voice Theory

17 The Anderson Dillema

18 The Whisp Mystery.

Can you forward this to me? I'd like to have a read. Thanks

Me too please 

Me too, please?

[SwiftMustache]

But I see they deleted the thread about the three voices in the boy's voice in the end. Mmmm could this mean?

[Pheonix57]

"Was the ending a hallucination?"

We're all hoping it was.

[Evindell]

N3vDawg wrote...

Evindell wrote...

My brother just sent me this text:

'Mass Effect 3 is the Mass Effect I've been waiting for since the first one. It harkens back more to the first one than 2 did. I care more about the conversations than I did in 2, and the cinematics are ****ing awesome. I love having Liara back too.'

It was hard to reply without giving away the fact that I am pissed off about the ending. My brother would never forgive me if I even gave him a hint of what was to come. But I feel like I'm being dishonest by not warning him.

I know exactly what his reaction will be. My brother will not be pleased...

Just refer him to this thread. That's what I did for all my friends and they seem happier with the ending now. I sure was.

I must have edited my post after  you quoted it, because I said my brother wouldn't spend this much time or energy trying to figure it out. Unlike me he's got more on his plate (wife, 2 year old, and another one on the way, and a job that takes up about nine hours of his life, six days a week), he'll just throw his game across the room in anger and frustration.

[krystalevenstar]

DerNix wrote...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9833745

New lead on the hallucination / indoctrination thing...

That's very interesting. I heard people bring this up, but I couldn't really hear it myself until now. Does anyone have Audacity or something that they could maybe divide the clip into channels or something?

[Winged Squiger]

So because Shep was indoctrinated, the Control option appeared in blue and Destroy in red? =\\ Or did I just overthink that?

[Turtlicious]

Is it sad that the only reason I keep working so hard on this, reading all 200 pages, and condensing your posts for Byne, is that in the end I hope for either credit, or some sort of kudos?

I think it's sad, I'm motivated by greed.

Hopefully we just get the damn DLC. That would be reward enough.

[Althorne]

Hmm, I don't know if this has been posted (and feel free to disprove me if I'm being blind,) but it was obvious that Anderson wasn't in the same room as you when getting to the Citadel, yet I could not see any other route for him to get to the central computer.