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[DJBare]

Rifneno wrote...
Oh goddamnit, are we seriously going through this again?  Okay, math.  10,000 capital ships.  That's a conservative estimate, it could be many times that.  Way the hell more destroyers.  It takes 4 dreadnoughts to bring down one, ONE capital ship.  The conventional victory wasn't happening.  Ever.  It's not even remotely possible.  Not a one in a trillion chance.  Absolute zero.

Have you considered Harbinger as a lynch pin?

It's funny that we consider them unbeatable and our only real experience was the battle with sovereign.

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Remember that this is what Hackett SAYS but Vigil implies differently.  Remember the conversation we had with Vigil in which the Reapers either destroyed or deactivated the Mass Relays during the Prothean cycle?  They did this because they feared that the combined Miliatary might of the time could defeat them.  This just goes to show you that Hacket's assertion is disingenuous.

Oh goddamnit, are we seriously going through this again?  Okay, math.  10,000 capital ships.  That's a conservative estimate, it could be many times that.  Way the hell more destroyers.  It takes 4 dreadnoughts to bring down one, ONE capital ship.  The conventional victory wasn't happening.  Ever.  It's not even remotely possible.  Not a one in a trillion chance.  Absolute zero.

Where do you get 10,000 capital ships from?

When you see the entire Reaper fleet flying towards the Milky Way at the end of ME2, there are maybe 300, I realize some may be too far away to see but I doubt when trying to show the full threat of the Reaper fleet advancing towards the galaxy, Bioware would leave out 9,700 reapers, and just expect us to think there are that many we dont see.

[EpyonX3]

That is all.

[Rifneno]

DJBare wrote...

Have you considered Harbinger as a lynch pin?

It's funny that we consider them unbeatable and our only real experience was the battle with sovereign.

Shepard is a lynch pin.  Pretty doubtful that Harbinger is.
Yeah, "only" Sovereign... who held off God only knows how many ships, including the Destiny frickin' Ascension, until his shields went offline because he was too dumb to release control of Geth Stalker Mk. II when Shepard was curbstomping it.  Thousands more of his friends?  Somehow I don't like those odds.

[Auralius Carolus]

liggy002 wrote...

Remember that this is what Hackett SAYS but Vigil implies differently.  Remember the conversation we had with Vigil in which the Reapers either destroyed or deactivated the Mass Relays during the Prothean cycle?  They did this because they feared that the combined Miliatary might of the time could defeat them.  This just goes to show you that Hacket's assertion is disingenuous.

This has been an issue of mine since the beginning of ME3- Why didn't the Reapers go after the Citadel first, (as that's apparently how they control the Relays)?

And, if by some chance the Protheans moved it, why not at least stay in one star cluster to avoid the risk of losing forces/alerting the other systems prematurely?

[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

OK, it seems I made a mistake. I checked it on 2 different playthroughs and Anderson is referred to as Anderson near the Thanix missle launchers.

Thx for checking Paxxton.

[DJBare]

Rifneno wrote...
Shepard is a lynch pin.  Pretty doubtful that Harbinger is.

Well, there you go, I have nothing left to say, because my argument is based on the chance of the Reapers having an exploitable weakness.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Where do you get 10,000 capital ships from?

When you see the entire Reaper fleet flying towards the Milky Way at the end of ME2, there are maybe 300, I realize some may be too far away to see but I doubt when trying to show the full threat of the Reaper fleet advancing towards the galaxy, Bioware would leave out 9,700 reapers, and just expect us to think there are that many we dont see.

Oldest known Reaper = 1,000,000,000 yrs.
1000000000 divided by 50 = 20,000.
Writer said they usually don't lose even one capital ship per cycle.  So even assuming that that was the first Reaper, and that they only make one CS (hey, an appropriate acronym) per cycle, and that they lose a CS every other cycle, that puts us at 10,000.

The fact that they're invading pretty much every homeworld as well as tons of colonized worlds and are still so numerous that we can see multiple capital ships in one major city pretty strongly supports that there's far, FAR more than 300 of them.

[DusalisDrake]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Remember that this is what Hackett SAYS but Vigil implies differently.  Remember the conversation we had with Vigil in which the Reapers either destroyed or deactivated the Mass Relays during the Prothean cycle?  They did this because they feared that the combined Miliatary might of the time could defeat them.  This just goes to show you that Hacket's assertion is disingenuous.

Oh goddamnit, are we seriously going through this again?  Okay, math.  10,000 capital ships.  That's a conservative estimate, it could be many times that.  Way the hell more destroyers.  It takes 4 dreadnoughts to bring down one, ONE capital ship.  The conventional victory wasn't happening.  Ever.  It's not even remotely possible.  Not a one in a trillion chance.  Absolute zero.

Where do you get 10,000 capital ships from?

When you see the entire Reaper fleet flying towards the Milky Way at the end of ME2, there are maybe 300, I realize some may be too far away to see but I doubt when trying to show the full threat of the Reaper fleet advancing towards the galaxy, Bioware would leave out 9,700 reapers, and just expect us to think there are that many we dont see.

I always thought it was implied that there were more reapers. They give you a view that shows them continually spreading out into the distance, and sure, you see ~300, but there are way more out there. That was my thinking.

Modifié par DusalisDrake, 07 mai 2012 - 12:35 .

[llbountyhunter]

Got back from a trip, Did I miss anything over the past 2 days?

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

Oldest known Reaper = 1,000,000,000 yrs.
1000000000 divided by 50 = 20,000.
Writer said they usually don't lose even one capital ship per cycle.  So even assuming that that was the first Reaper, and that they only make one CS (hey, an appropriate acronym) per cycle, and that they lose a CS every other cycle, that puts us at 10,000.

The fact that they're invading pretty much every homeworld as well as tons of colonized worlds and are still so numerous that we can see multiple capital ships in one major city pretty strongly supports that there's far, FAR more than 300 of them.

Which writer said they dont lose even one capital ship per cycle? They lost plenty of them this cycle, not even counting the battle of Earth.

Anyway, they also dont make a capital ship every cycle, do they? Didnt EDI say there was no prothean Reaper?

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Which writer said they dont lose even one capital ship per cycle? They lost plenty of them this cycle, not even counting the battle of Earth.

Anyway, they also dont make a capital ship every cycle, do they? Didnt EDI say there was no prothean Reaper?

Sure there's a Prothean Reaper.

Weekes said it, I believe.

There's really no telling what they did more than a cycle or two ago.  Aside from leaving a few dead comrades around, they cleaned up after themselves remarkably well.

Edit:  Explanation on that first line.  Pasting because I have to afk for a bit.  Not that the first "no cuz the codex says..." response won't make me want to punt an orphan in the head of course.

Modifié par Rifneno, 07 mai 2012 - 12:42 .

[Destructorlio]

prettz wrote...

this has probably been talk to death but I took some pic of before
and after harbinger beam hits Shepard.




http://i.imgur.com/IR2LR.jpg
this is befor the harbinger beam



i.imgur.com/gjvQA.jpg

and this is after

clue or just added in for effect?

This is awesome. Definitely a clue.

[liggy002]

Harbinger isn't a Prothean Reaper. He is likely far older than that.  I could have sworn I saw him in Shepard's visions on Eden Prime when he was trying to recruit Javik.  A huge Reaper was firing multiple lasers quickly at the Prothean City.  I know who is known to do that.

Modifié par liggy002, 07 mai 2012 - 12:56 .

[Destructorlio]

prettz wrote...

maxloef wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The blurriness of the surroundings post-hit might be to emphasize the feeling of isolation from the outer reality (i.e. to show that what is happening is a dream/hallucination/indoctrination). On the Citadel this effect is unnecessary because the whole scene hints "I'm not real" - there is no border between real/unreal world. On the Citadel Shepard is fully immersed in the indoctrination visions.

The Citadel illusion isn't perfect yet, as the tree reflections symbolize.

Sorry, but there are no tree reflections in the Catalyst area. Those cubemaps circling on this thread are just unused assets. They don't necessarily mean nothing but they might have been simply overlooked and left behind by the dev team.

go back a few pages and you can see people posting screenshots INGAME where you can see the tree reflections, its NOT unused assets, even in those cubemaps the trees are transparent, they are used.

in my eyes its a hint to show you something is off

hear I'll make it wasy and post a pic.  I think this is what being talk aobut

http://i.imgur.com/bK9Vv.jpg

Ho. Lee. ****.

Someone bring me a hammer, we've got the final nail in the coffin of literalism.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

He's an odd person.  Why do you think mall security follows him around?

LOL. I'm not odd. It's normal practice during the state of war that the security is tightened. Those soldiers on the Normandy are patrols. I didn't imply that Shepard (nor I) would steal drinks from the fridge.  Well, it was you who said something about feeling as if being watched on the Normandy.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 mai 2012 - 02:45 .

[llbountyhunter]

Im pretty sure it was stated that there was NO prothean reaper. That's why there were the collectors.
But I do think the "almost never losing a capital ships thing is accurate" thing is accurate.

I don't think there were that many reapers though ,if they were So sucsesful there would be no reason to increase there ranks so much.

Also If not for Shepard the cycle would've started with soveriegn like in every other cycle. But thanks to Shepard soveriegn was stopped and some of his weapons were reverse engendered (I sure I read this somewhere)



That's what makes this cycle different. Now we have some of soveriengs tech (the reapers still have incredibly strong shields though), didn't lose the citadel on the first strike and gave the species A fighting chance. Putting this together I'd say there a moderate chance a conventional victory if we stay united.

Sorry for crappy writing... Using phone...

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
Oh goddamnit, are we seriously going through this again?  Okay, math.  10,000 capital ships.  That's a conservative estimate, it could be many times that.  Way the hell more destroyers.  It takes 4 dreadnoughts to bring down one, ONE capital ship.  The conventional victory wasn't happening.  Ever.  It's not even remotely possible.  Not a one in a trillion chance.  Absolute zero.

Have you considered Harbinger as a lynch pin?

It's funny that we consider them unbeatable and our only real experience was the battle with sovereign.

I wont go so far as to say that our "only real experience" is irrelevant, but even more relevant than that is the preceding million years' worth of history, dont you think?

[jakenou]

spotlessvoid wrote...

every time I get caught up I have to go to work and get another 20 pages back!

Same here. Oy vey!

[MegumiAzusa]

I guess indoctrination would be an exhibitionists dream.

[Subguy614]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Where do you get 10,000 capital ships from?

When you see the entire Reaper fleet flying towards the Milky Way at the end of ME2, there are maybe 300, I realize some may be too far away to see but I doubt when trying to show the full threat of the Reaper fleet advancing towards the galaxy, Bioware would leave out 9,700 reapers, and just expect us to think there are that many we dont see.

Oldest known Reaper = 1,000,000,000 yrs.
1000000000 divided by 50 = 20,000.
Writer said they usually don't lose even one capital ship per cycle.  So even assuming that that was the first Reaper, and that they only make one CS (hey, an appropriate acronym) per cycle, and that they lose a CS every other cycle, that puts us at 10,000..

Edit for words not showing up: The oldest known reaper is 37MYO  The LoD is not KNOWN to be a reaper (I think it's the living ship from farscape)
The oldest known reaper is 37,000,000 yrs old. The Leviathan of Dis is not KNOWN to be a reaper. I thought of it like the farscape living ship.

Modifié par Subguy614, 07 mai 2012 - 01:05 .

[Arbalor4]

Subguy614 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Where do you get 10,000 capital ships from?

When you see the entire Reaper fleet flying towards the Milky Way at the end of ME2, there are maybe 300, I realize some may be too far away to see but I doubt when trying to show the full threat of the Reaper fleet advancing towards the galaxy, Bioware would leave out 9,700 reapers, and just expect us to think there are that many we dont see.

Oldest known Reaper = 1,000,000,000 yrs.
1000000000 divided by 50 = 20,000.
Writer said they usually don't lose even one capital ship per cycle.  So even assuming that that was the first Reaper, and that they only make one CS (hey, an appropriate acronym) per cycle, and that they lose a CS every other cycle, that puts us at 10,000.

Edit for words not showing up: The oldest known reaper is 37MYO  The LoD is not KNOWN to be a reaper (I think it's the living ship from farscape)
The oldest known reaper is 37,000,000 yrs old. The Leviathan of Dis is not KNOWN to be a reaper. I thought of it like the farscape living ship.

The fact that they're invading pretty much every homeworld as well as tons of colonized worlds and are still so numerous that we can see multiple capital ships in one major city pretty strongly supports that there's far, FAR more than 300 of them.

Eh those intial 300 were the only unique ones and all died in the first attack leaving harbinger and the sovereign clones:whistle:

[Subguy614]

Ok that was weird.

[MegumiAzusa]

Arbalor4 wrote...

Eh those intial 300 were the only unique ones and all died in the first attack leaving harbinger and the sovereign clones:whistle:

"Harbinger and the Sovereign Clones", sounds like a bad cover band

[jakenou]

Still looking at prettz's screenshots and the discussions surrounding it. Prettz did you say you were using flycam the whole time or just for some parts? The reason I ask is because I've seen some weird views with flycam (haven't used it in ME3 yet) where some environmental assets can get jumbled up since they're not part of the normal locked view an average player can see.

If the magically appearing trees and bushes (shall we call them star shrubbery?) are what one can see while turning around in normal mode without flycam, I'd say that's too big of an error to overlook, and would lean heavily toward it being another subtle sign that the indoctrination hallucinations are becoming more severe. However, if it's a flycam view, you can never be sure if what you see is intentional or not and I would more easily shrug it off (especially considering they had to scramble to get the game out in less time than they wanted).

Edit - Best quote tree I've seen in a long time!

Modifié par jkthunder, 07 mai 2012 - 01:18 .